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Parmenides (dialogue)

Parmenides (Greek: Παρμενίδης) is one of the dialogues of Plato. It is widely considered to be one of the most challenging and enigmatic of Plato's dialogues.[1][2][3] The Parmenides purports to be an account of a meeting between the two great philosophers of the Eleatic school, Parmenides and Zeno of Elea, and a young Socrates. The occasion of the meeting was the reading by Zeno of his treatise defending Parmenidean monism against those partisans of plurality who asserted that Parmenides' supposition that there is a one gives rise to intolerable absurdities and contradictions. The dialogue is set during a supposed meeting between Parmenides and Zeno of Elea in Socrates' hometown of Athens. This dialogue is chronologically the earliest of all as Socrates is only nineteen years old here. It is also notable that he takes the position of the student here while Parmenides serves as the lecturer.

The dialogue is likely fictitious.[clarification needed][4]

Parmenides

Discussion with Socrates

The heart of the dialogue opens with a challenge by Socrates to the elder and revered Parmenides and Zeno. Employing his customary method of attack, the reductio ad absurdum, Zeno has argued that if as the pluralists say things are many, then they will be both like and unlike; but this is an impossible situation, for unlike things cannot be like, nor like things unlike. But this difficulty vanishes, says Socrates, if we are prepared to make the distinction between sensibles on one hand and Forms, in which sensibles participate, on the other. Thus one and the same thing can be both like and unlike, or one and many, by participating in the Forms of Likeness and Unlikeness, of Unity and Plurality; I am one man, and as such partake of the Form of Unity, but I also have many parts and in this respect I partake of the Form of Plurality. There is no problem in demonstrating that sensible things may have opposite attributes; what would cause consternation, and earn the admiration of Socrates, would be if someone were to show that the Forms themselves were capable of admitting contrary predicates.

At this point, Parmenides takes over as Socrates' interlocutor and dominates the remainder of the dialogue. After establishing that Socrates himself has made the distinction between Forms and sensibles, Parmenides asks him what sorts of Form he is prepared to recognize. Socrates replies that he has no doubt about the existence of mathematical, ethical and aesthetic Forms (e.g., Unity, Plurality, Goodness, Beauty), but is unsure of Forms of Man, Fire and Water; he is almost certain, though admits to some reservations, that undignified objects like hair, mud and dirt do not have Forms. Parmenides suggests that when he is older and more committed to philosophy, he will consider all the consequences of his theory, even regarding seemingly insignificant objects like hair and mud.

For the remainder of the first part of the dialogue, Parmenides draws Socrates out on certain aspects of the Theory of Forms and in the process brings to bear five arguments against the theory.

Argument 1. (130e–131e) If particular things come to partake of the Form of Beauty or Likeness or Largeness they thereby become beautiful or like or large. Parmenides presses Socrates on how precisely many particulars can participate in a single Form. On one hand, if the Form as a whole is present in each of its many instances, then it would as a whole be in numerically different places, and thus separate from itself. Socrates suggests that the Form might be like a day, and thus present in many things at once. Parmenides counters that this would be little different from a single sail covering a number of people, wherein different parts touch different individuals; consequently, the Form is many.

Argument 2. (132a–b) Socrates' reason for believing in the existence of a single Form in each case is that when he views a number of (say) large things, there appears to be a single character which they all share, viz. the character of Largeness. But considering the series of large things; x, y, z, Largeness itself, the latter is also in some sense considered to be large, and if all members of this series partake of a single Form, then there must be another Largeness in which large things and the first Form of Largeness partake. But if this second Form of Largeness is also large, then there should be a third Form of Largeness over the large things and the first two Forms, and so on ad infinitum. Hence, instead of there being one Form in every case, we are confronted with an indefinite number. This Largeness regress is commonly known under the name given to it by Aristotle, the famous Third Man Argument (TMA).

Argument 3. (132b–c) To the suggestion that each Form is a thought existing in a soul, thus maintaining the unity of the Form, Parmenides replies that a thought must be a thought of something that is a Form. Thus we still have to explain the participation relation. Further, if things share in Forms which are no more than thoughts, then either things consist of thoughts and think, or else they are thoughts, yet do not think.

Argument 4. (132c–133a) Socrates now suggests that the Forms are patterns in nature (παραδείγματα paradeigmata "paradigms") of which the many instances are copies or likenesses. Parmenides argues that if the many instances are like the Forms, then the Forms are like their instances. Yet if things are like, then they come to be like by participating in Likeness; therefore Likeness is like the likeness in concrete things, and another regress is generated.

Argument 5. (133a–134e) Called the "great difficulty [ἀπορία]" (133a) by Parmenides, the theory of Forms arises as a consequence of the assertion of the separate existence of the Forms. Forms do not exist in our world but have their being with reference to one another in their own world. Similarly, things of our world are related among themselves, but not to Forms. Just as Mastership has its being relative to Slavery, so mastership in our world has its being relative to slavery in our world. No terrestrial master is master of Slave itself, and no terrestrial master-slave relation has any relationship to the ideal Master-Slave relation. And so it is with knowledge. All our knowledge is such with respect to our world, not to the world of the Forms, while ideal Knowledge is knowledge of the things not of our world but of the world of the Forms. Hence, we cannot know the Forms. What is more, the gods who dwell in the divine world, can have no knowledge of us, and nor can their ideal mastership rule us.

In spite of Socrates' inability to defend the theory against Parmenides' arguments, in the following transitional section of the dialogue Parmenides himself appears to advocate the theory. He insists that without Forms there can be no possibility of dialectic, and that Socrates was unable to uphold the theory because he has been insufficiently exercised. There follows a description of the kind of exercise, or training, that Parmenides recommends.

The remainder of the dialogue is taken up with an actual performance of such an exercise, where a young Aristoteles (later a member of the Thirty Tyrants, not to be confused with Plato's eventual student Aristotle), takes the place of Socrates as Parmenides' interlocutor.

Discussion with Aristoteles

This difficult second part of the dialogue is generally agreed to be one of the most challenging, and sometimes bizarre, pieces in the whole of the Platonic corpus. It consists of an unrelenting series of difficult and subtle arguments, where the exchange is stripped of all but the bare essentials of the arguments involved. Gone are the drama and colour we are accustomed to from earlier dialogues.

The second part of the dialogue can be divided thus:

Hypothesis/Deduction n. 1 (137c-142a): If it is one. The one cannot be made up of parts, because then the one would be made of many. Nor can it be a whole, because wholes are made of parts. Thus the one has no parts and is not a whole. It has not a beginning, a middle nor an end because these are parts, it is therefore unlimited. It has no shape because it is neither linear nor circular: a circle has parts all equidistant from the centre, but the one has no parts nor a centre; It is not a line because a line has a middle and two extremes, which the one cannot have. Thus the one has no shape. The one cannot be in anything nor in itself. If it was in another it would be all surrounded and by what it is inside and would be touched at many parts by what contains it, but the one has no parts and thus cannot be inside something else. If it were in itself it would contain itself, but if it is contained then it is different from what contains it and thus the one would be two. The one cannot move because movement is change or change in position. It cannot change because it has no parts to change. If it moves position it moves either circularly or linearly. If it spins in place its outer part revolves around its middle but the one has neither. If it moves its position it moves through something else, which it cannot be inside. Thus the one does not move. The one must be itself and cannot be different from it. The one does not take part in the flowing of time so it is imperishable.

Hypothesis/Deduction n. 2 (142b–155e): If the one is. The one is, it must be and it is part of being. The one is part of being and vice versa. Being is a part of the one, the one is a whole that is a group of sections. The one does not participate in the being, so it must be a single part. Being is unlimited and is contained in everything, however big or small it is. So, since the one is part of being, it is divided into as many parts as being, thus it is unfinished. The parts are themselves sections of a whole, the whole is delimited, confirming the presence of a beginning, a centre, and an end. Therefore, since the centre is itself at the same distance from the beginning and the end, the one must have a form: linear, spherical, or mixed. If the whole is in some of its parts, it will be the plus into the minus, and different from itself. The one is also elsewhere, it is stationary and in movement at the same time.

The Appendix to the First Two Deductions 155e–157b

Hypothesis/Deduction n. 3 (157b–159b): If the one is not. If the one is not it participates in everything different from it, so everything is partially one. Similarity, dissimilarity, bigness, equality and smallness belong to it since the one is similar to itself but dissimilar to anything that is, but it can be big or small as regards dissimilarity and equal as concerns similarity. So the one participates of non-being and also of being because you can think of it. Therefore, the one becomes and perishes and, since it participates of non-being, stays. The one removes from itself the contraries so that it is unnameable, not disputable, not knowable or sensible or showable. The other things appear one and many, limited and unlimited, similar and dissimilar, the same and completely different, in movement and stationary, and neither the first nor the latter thing since they are different from the one and other things. Eventually they are not. So if the one is not, being is not.

A satisfactory characterisation of this part of the dialogue has eluded scholars since antiquity. Many thinkers have tried, among them Cornford, Russell, Ryle, and Owen; but few would accept without hesitation any of their characterisations as having got to the heart of the matter. Recent interpretations of the second part have been provided by Miller (1986), Meinwald (1991), Sayre (1996), Allen (1997), Turnbull (1998), Scolnicov (2003), and Rickless (2007). It is difficult to offer even a preliminary characterisation, since commentators disagree even on some of the more rudimentary features of any interpretation. Benjamin Jowett did maintain in the introduction to his translation of the book that the dialogue was certainly not a Platonic refutation of the Eleatic doctrine. In fact, it could well be an Eleatic assessment of the theory of Forms.[5] It might even mean that the Eleatic monist doctrine wins over the pluralistic contention of Plato.[citation needed] The discussion, at the very least, concerns itself with topics close to Plato's heart in many of the later dialogues, such as Being, Sameness, Difference, and Unity; but any attempt to extract a moral from these passages invites contention.

The structure of the remainder of the dialogue:

The Fourth Deduction 159b–160b

The Fifth Deduction 160b–163b

The Sixth Deduction 163b–164b

The Seventh Deduction 164b–165e

The Eighth Deduction 165e–166c

Third man argument

Plato's theory of Forms, as it is presented in such dialogues as the Phaedo, Republic and the first part of the Parmenides, seems committed to the following principles: "F" stands for any Form ("appearance, property")—forma is a Boethian translation for εἶδος (eidos), which is the word that Plato used. Plato, in the Parmenides, uses the example "greatness" (μέγεθος) for "F-ness"; Aristotle uses the example "man".[6]

  • One-over-many: For any plurality of F things, there is a form of F-ness by virtue of partaking of which each member of that plurality is F.
  • Self-predication: Every form of F-ness is itself F.
  • Non-self-partaking: No form partakes of itself.
  • Uniqueness: For any property F, there is exactly one form of F-ness.
  • Purity: No form can have contrary properties.
  • One/many: The property of being one and the property of being many are contraries.
  • Oneness: Every form is one.

However, the TMA shows that these principles are mutually contradictory, as long as there is a plurality of things that are F:

(In what follows, μέγας [megas; "great"] is used as an example; however, the argumentation holds for any F.)

Begin, then, with the assumption that there is a plurality of great things, say (A, B, C). By one-over-many, there is a form of greatness (say, G1) by virtue of partaking of which A, B, and C are great. By self-predication, G1 is great.

But then we can add G1 to (A, B, C) to form a new plurality of great things: (A, B, C, G1). By one-over-many, there is a form of greatness (say, G2) by virtue of partaking of which A, B, C, and G1 are great. But in that case G1 partakes of G2, and by Non-Self-Partaking, G1 is not identical to G2. So there are at least two forms of greatness, G1 and G2. This already contradicts Uniqueness, according to which there is exactly one (and hence no more than one) form of greatness.

But it gets worse for the theory of Forms. For by Self-Predication, G2 is great, and hence G2 can be added to (A, B, C, G1) to form a new plurality of great things: (A, B, C, G1, G2). By One-Over-Many, there is a form of greatness (say, G3) by virtue of partaking of which A, B, C, G1, and G2 are great. But in that case G1 and G2 both partake of G3, and by Non-Self-Partaking, neither of G1 and G2 is identical to G3. So there must be at least three forms of greatness, G1, G2, and G3.

Repetition of this reasoning shows that there is an infinite hierarchy of forms of greatness, with each form partaking of the infinite number of forms above it in the hierarchy. According to Plato, anything that partakes of many things must itself be many. So each form in the infinite hierarchy of forms of greatness is many. But then, given Purity and One/Many, it follows that each form in the infinite hierarchy of forms of greatness is not one. This contradicts Oneness.

Legacy

The third man argument was furthered by Aristotle (Metaphysics 990b17–1079a13, 1039a2; Sophistic Refutations 178b36 ff.) who, rather than using the example of "greatness" (μέγεθος), used the example of a man (hence the name of the argument) to explain this objection to the theory, which he attributes to Plato; Aristotle posits that if a man is a man because he partakes in the form of man, then a third form would be required to explain how man and the form of man are both man, and so on, ad infinitum.

Ancient commentaries

The Parmenides was the frequent subject of commentaries by Neoplatonists. Important examples include those of Proclus and of Damascius, and an anonymous 3rd or 4th commentary possibly due to Porphyry. The 13th century translation of Proclus' commentary by Dominican friar William of Moerbeke stirred subsequent medieval interest (Klibansky, 1941). In the 15th century, Proclus' commentary influenced the philosophy of Nicolas of Cusa, and Neoplatonists Giovanni Pico della Mirandola and Marsilio Ficino penned major commentaries. According to Ficino:

While Plato sprinkled the seeds of all wisdom throughout all his dialogues, yet he collected the precepts of moral philosophy in the books on the Republic, the whole of science in the Timaeus, and he comprehended the whole of theology in the Parmenides. And whereas in the other works he rises far above all other philosophers, in this one he seems to surpass even himself and to bring forth this work miraculously from the adytum of the divine mind and from the innermost sanctum of philosophy. Whosoever undertakes the reading of this sacred book shall first prepare himself in a sober mind and detached spirit, before he makes bold to tackle the mysteries of this heavenly work. For here Plato discusses his own thoughts most subtly: how the One itself is the principle of all things, which is above all things and from which all things are, and in what manner it is outside everything and in everything, and how everything is from it, through it, and toward it. (in Klibansky, 1941)

Contemporary interpretations

Some scholars (including Gregory Vlastos) believe that the third man argument is a "record of honest perplexity". Other scholars think that Plato means us to reject one of the premises that produces the infinite regress (namely, One-Over-Many, Self-Predication, or Non-Self-Partaking). But it is also possible to avoid the contradictions by rejecting Uniqueness and Purity (while accepting One-Over-Many, Self-Predication, and Non-Self-Partaking).

Texts and translations

  • Burnet, J., Plato. Opera Vol. II (Oxford University Press, 1903). ISBN 978-0-19-814541-7 (Greek with critical apparatus).
  • Fowler, H. N., Plato Vol. IV (Harvard University Press, 1926). Loeb Classical Library 167. ISBN 978-0-674-99185-9 (Greek and English)
  • Zekl, H. G., Platon. Parmenides (Meiner Verlag, 1972). ISBN 978-3-7873-0280-2 (Greek and German)
  • Allen, R. E., Plato's Parmenides, Revised Edition (Yale University Press, 1997). ISBN 978-0-300-07729-2 (English with commentary)
  • Cornford, F. M., Plato and Parmenides (Routledge, 1939). ISBN 978-0-415-22517-5 (English with commentary)
  • Gill, M. L. and Ryan, P., Plato: Parmenides (Hackett Publishing, 1996). ISBN 978-0-87220-329-7 (English with notes)
  • Scolnicov, S., Plato's Parmenides (University of California Press, 2003). ISBN 978-0-520-22403-2 (English with commentary)
  • Turnbull, R., The Parmenides and Plato's Late Philosophy (University of Toronto Press, 1998). ISBN 978-0-8020-4236-1 (English with commentary)

See also

References

  1. ^ "The Parmenides has surely proven itself the most enigmatic of all Plato's dialogues. In spite of a sustained and extensive history of discussion, there is no positive consensus about the basic issues central to its interpretation." Miller, p. 3
  2. ^ Gill, Mary Louise. Parmenides. p. 1. Hackett 1996.
  3. ^ Meinwald, p. 367
  4. ^ Rickless, Samuel (2020), Zalta, Edward N. (ed.), "Plato's Parmenides", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Spring 2020 ed.), Metaphysics Research Lab, Stanford University, retrieved 2022-12-19
  5. ^ "Plato's Parmenides". Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Retrieved 26 September 2014.
  6. ^ "No proper exposition of Plato’s Third Great Paradox appears in the surviving texts of Aristotle. There are only scattered references in the text to an argument that Aristotle calls the "Third Man" (Metaphysics 84.23-85.3, 93.1-7, 990b 17=1079a 13, 1039a 2, 1059b 8; Sophistic Refutations 178b 36), which is commonly considered essentially the same argument", [Vandoulakis I.M. "On the Peripatetic versions of the third man paradox", Философия математики: актуальные проблемы (Philosophy of mathematics: Current problems, Proceedings of International Scientific Congress, Moscow 14–16 June 2007, Faculty of Philosophy of the Moscow M.V. Lomonosov University, Moscow: Savin S.A. Publ., 2007, 233–236.]

Sources

  • Bechtle, Gerald (ed.) An anonymous commentary on Plato's Parmenides. Oxford 1996.
  • Cherniss, Harold: Parmenides and the Parmenides of Plato“, in: American Journal of Philology 53, 1932, pp. 122–138.
  • Doull, James (1999). "The Argument to the Hypotheses in "Parmenides"" (PDF). Animus. 4. ISSN 1209-0689. Retrieved August 9, 2011.
  • Graeser, A. Prolegomena zu einer Interpretation des zweiten Teils des Platonischen Parmenides. Bern: Haupt, 1999.
  • Graeser, Andreas: Platons Parmenides, Akademie der Wissenschaften und der Literatur, Mainz 2003
  • Halfwassen, Jens: Der Aufstieg zum Einen: Untersuchungen zu Platon und Plotin, K.G. Saur Verlag, 2006.
  • Klibansky, Raymond. "Plato’s Parmenides in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance: A Chapter in the History of Platonic Studies," Medieval and Renaissance Studies 1 (1941–3), 281–335.
  • Kraut, Richard (eds). The Cambridge Companion to Plato. Cambridge. New York 1992.
  • Lünstroth, Margarete: Teilhaben und Erleiden in Platons Parmenides. Untersuchungen zum Gebrauch von μετέχειν und πάσχειν Edition Ruprecht, Göttingen 2006, ISBN 978-3-7675-3080-5
  • Malmsheimer, Arne: Platons Parmenides und Marsilio Ficinos Parmenides-Kommentar. Ein kritischer Vergleich (= Bochumer Studien zur Philosophie, Bd. 34), Amsterdam 2001. ISBN 90-6032-363-7 .
  • Matía Cubillo, G. Ó., "Suggestions on How to Combine the Platonic Forms to Overcome the Interpretative Difficulties of Parmenides Dialogue", Revista de Filosofía de la Universidad de Costa Rica, vol. 60, n. 156, 2021, pp. 156–171. ISSN: 0034-8252 / EISSN: 2215-5589.
  • Meinwald, Constance. "Goodbye to the Third Man" in Kraut pp. 365–396.
  • Miller, Mitchell H. Jr. Plato's Parmenides: The Conversion of the Soul. Princeton 1986.
  • Morrow, G.R., Dillon, J.M. (trs.), Proclus' commentary on Plato's Parmenides. Princeton University Press, 1987.
  • Rickless, Samuel C.: Plato's forms in transition. A reading of the Parmenides, Cambridge 2007. ISBN 978-0-521-86456-5
  • Ryle, Gilbert: „Plato's Parmenides“, in: Mind 48, 1939, pp. 129–51, 303–25.
  • Suhr, Martin: Platons Kritik an den Eleaten. Vorschläge zur Interpretation des platonischen Dialogs ‚Parmenides‘, Hamburg, 1969.
  • Turner, John D., Kevin Corrigan (ed.), Plato's Parmenides and Its Heritage, Volume 1: History and Interpretation from the Old Academy to later Platonism and Gnosticism. Writings from the Greco-Roman World Supplements 2. Atlanta: Society of Biblical Literature, 2010.
  • Zekl, Hans Günter: Der Parmenides, N.G. Elwert Verlag, Marburg/Lahn, 1971.

Further reading

  • Allen, R. E., 1997, Plato’s Parmenides, revised edition. New Haven: Yale University Press.
  • Chen, C. H., 1944, ‘On the Parmenides of Plato’, Classical Quarterly, 38: 101–114.
  • Cherniss, H., 1944, Aristotle’s Criticism of Plato and the Academy, Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press.
  • Cornford, F. M., 1939, Plato and Parmenides, London: Routledge and Kegan Paul.
  • Fine, G., 1993, On Ideas: Aristotle’s Criticism of Plato’s Theory of Forms, Oxford: Clarendon Press.
  • Fine, G. (ed.), 2008, The Oxford Handbook to Plato, New York: Oxford University Press.
  • Gill, M. L., 2012, Philosophos: Plato’s Missing Dialogue, Oxford: Oxford University Press.
  • Gill, C., and McCabe, M. M. (ed.), 1996, Form and Argument in Late Plato, Oxford: Clarendon Press.
  • Gill, M. L., and Ryan, P. (ed.), 1996, Plato: Parmenides, Indianapolis: Hackett.
  • Grote, G., 1865, Plato and the Other Companions of Sokrates (Volume II), London: John Murray.
  • Havlicek, A., and Karfik, F., 2005, Plato’s Parmenides: Proceedings of the Fourth Symposium Platonicum Pragense, Prague: OIKOYMENH Publishers.
  • Hermann, A., 2012, ‘Plato’s Eleatic Challenge and the Problem of Self-Predication in the Parmenides’, Presocratics and Plato: Festschrift at Delphi in Honor of Charles Kahn, Las Vegas: Parmenides Publishing, 205–232.
  • Hermann, A., and Chrysakopoulou, S., 2010, Plato’s Parmenides: Text, Translation, and Introductory Essay, Las Vegas: Parmenides Publishing.
  • Karasmanis, V., 2012, ‘Dialectic and the Second Part of Plato’s Parmenides’, Presocratics and Plato: Festschrift at Delphi in Honor of Charles Kahn, Las Vegas: Parmenides Publishing, 183–203.
  • Kraut, R. (ed.), 1992, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
  • Malcolm, J., 1991, Plato on the Self-Predication of Forms: Early and Middle Dialogues, Oxford: Clarendon Press.
  • Matthews, G., 1972, Plato’s Epistemology and Related Logical Problems, London: Faber.
  • McCabe, M. M., 1994, Plato’s Individuals, Princeton: Princeton University Press.
  • Meinwald, C. C., 1991, Plato’s Parmenides, New York: Oxford University Press.
  • Miller, M. H. Jr., 1986, Plato’s Parmenides: The Conversion of the Soul, Princeton: Princeton University Press.
  • Rickless, S. C., 2007, Plato’s Forms in Transition: A Reading of the Parmenides, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
  • Robinson, R., 1953, Plato’s Earlier Dialectic, 2nd edition, Oxford: Clarendon Press.
  • Ross, W. D., 1953, Plato’s Theory of Ideas, 2nd edition, Oxford: Clarendon Press.
  • Sanday, E. C., 2015, A Study of Dialectic in Plato’s Parmenides, Evanston: Northwestern University Press.
  • Scolnicov, S., 2003, Plato’s Parmenides, Berkeley: University of California Press.
  • Tabak, M., 2015, Plato’s Parmenides Reconsidered, New York: Palgrave Macmillan.
  • Teloh, H., 1981, The Development of Plato’s Metaphysics, University Park: Pennsylvania State University Press.
  • Teloh, H., and Louzecky, D. J., 1972, ‘Plato’s Third Man Argument’, Phronesis, 17: 80–94.

External links

  • Parmenides, in a collection of Plato's Dialogues at Standard Ebooks
  • Plato: Parmenides at MIT Internet Classics Archive
  • Plato: Parmenides at Project Gutenberg
  • Plato's Parmenides and the Dilemma of Participation with an annotated bibliography
  • Rickless, Samuel. "Plato's Parmenides". In Zalta, Edward N. (ed.). Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
  • Plato's Parmenides translated by Benjamin Jowett (Internet Archive, 1892: text 45)
  •   Parmenides, English translation by Benjamin Jowett public domain audiobook at LibriVox

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This article includes a list of general references but it lacks sufficient corresponding inline citations Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations September 2018 Learn how and when to remove this template message Parmenides Greek Parmenidhs is one of the dialogues of Plato It is widely considered to be one of the most challenging and enigmatic of Plato s dialogues 1 2 3 The Parmenides purports to be an account of a meeting between the two great philosophers of the Eleatic school Parmenides and Zeno of Elea and a young Socrates The occasion of the meeting was the reading by Zeno of his treatise defending Parmenidean monism against those partisans of plurality who asserted that Parmenides supposition that there is a one gives rise to intolerable absurdities and contradictions The dialogue is set during a supposed meeting between Parmenides and Zeno of Elea in Socrates hometown of Athens This dialogue is chronologically the earliest of all as Socrates is only nineteen years old here It is also notable that he takes the position of the student here while Parmenides serves as the lecturer The dialogue is likely fictitious clarification needed 4 Parmenides Contents 1 Discussion with Socrates 2 Discussion with Aristoteles 3 Third man argument 4 Legacy 4 1 Ancient commentaries 4 2 Contemporary interpretations 5 Texts and translations 6 See also 7 References 8 Sources 9 Further reading 10 External linksDiscussion with Socrates EditThe heart of the dialogue opens with a challenge by Socrates to the elder and revered Parmenides and Zeno Employing his customary method of attack the reductio ad absurdum Zeno has argued that if as the pluralists say things are many then they will be both like and unlike but this is an impossible situation for unlike things cannot be like nor like things unlike But this difficulty vanishes says Socrates if we are prepared to make the distinction between sensibles on one hand and Forms in which sensibles participate on the other Thus one and the same thing can be both like and unlike or one and many by participating in the Forms of Likeness and Unlikeness of Unity and Plurality I am one man and as such partake of the Form of Unity but I also have many parts and in this respect I partake of the Form of Plurality There is no problem in demonstrating that sensible things may have opposite attributes what would cause consternation and earn the admiration of Socrates would be if someone were to show that the Forms themselves were capable of admitting contrary predicates At this point Parmenides takes over as Socrates interlocutor and dominates the remainder of the dialogue After establishing that Socrates himself has made the distinction between Forms and sensibles Parmenides asks him what sorts of Form he is prepared to recognize Socrates replies that he has no doubt about the existence of mathematical ethical and aesthetic Forms e g Unity Plurality Goodness Beauty but is unsure of Forms of Man Fire and Water he is almost certain though admits to some reservations that undignified objects like hair mud and dirt do not have Forms Parmenides suggests that when he is older and more committed to philosophy he will consider all the consequences of his theory even regarding seemingly insignificant objects like hair and mud For the remainder of the first part of the dialogue Parmenides draws Socrates out on certain aspects of the Theory of Forms and in the process brings to bear five arguments against the theory Argument 1 130e 131e If particular things come to partake of the Form of Beauty or Likeness or Largeness they thereby become beautiful or like or large Parmenides presses Socrates on how precisely many particulars can participate in a single Form On one hand if the Form as a whole is present in each of its many instances then it would as a whole be in numerically different places and thus separate from itself Socrates suggests that the Form might be like a day and thus present in many things at once Parmenides counters that this would be little different from a single sail covering a number of people wherein different parts touch different individuals consequently the Form is many Argument 2 132a b Socrates reason for believing in the existence of a single Form in each case is that when he views a number of say large things there appears to be a single character which they all share viz the character of Largeness But considering the series of large things x y z Largeness itself the latter is also in some sense considered to be large and if all members of this series partake of a single Form then there must be another Largeness in which large things and the first Form of Largeness partake But if this second Form of Largeness is also large then there should be a third Form of Largeness over the large things and the first two Forms and so on ad infinitum Hence instead of there being one Form in every case we are confronted with an indefinite number This Largeness regress is commonly known under the name given to it by Aristotle the famous Third Man Argument TMA Argument 3 132b c To the suggestion that each Form is a thought existing in a soul thus maintaining the unity of the Form Parmenides replies that a thought must be a thought of something that is a Form Thus we still have to explain the participation relation Further if things share in Forms which are no more than thoughts then either things consist of thoughts and think or else they are thoughts yet do not think Argument 4 132c 133a Socrates now suggests that the Forms are patterns in nature paradeigmata paradeigmata paradigms of which the many instances are copies or likenesses Parmenides argues that if the many instances are like the Forms then the Forms are like their instances Yet if things are like then they come to be like by participating in Likeness therefore Likeness is like the likeness in concrete things and another regress is generated Argument 5 133a 134e Called the great difficulty ἀporia 133a by Parmenides the theory of Forms arises as a consequence of the assertion of the separate existence of the Forms Forms do not exist in our world but have their being with reference to one another in their own world Similarly things of our world are related among themselves but not to Forms Just as Mastership has its being relative to Slavery so mastership in our world has its being relative to slavery in our world No terrestrial master is master of Slave itself and no terrestrial master slave relation has any relationship to the ideal Master Slave relation And so it is with knowledge All our knowledge is such with respect to our world not to the world of the Forms while ideal Knowledge is knowledge of the things not of our world but of the world of the Forms Hence we cannot know the Forms What is more the gods who dwell in the divine world can have no knowledge of us and nor can their ideal mastership rule us In spite of Socrates inability to defend the theory against Parmenides arguments in the following transitional section of the dialogue Parmenides himself appears to advocate the theory He insists that without Forms there can be no possibility of dialectic and that Socrates was unable to uphold the theory because he has been insufficiently exercised There follows a description of the kind of exercise or training that Parmenides recommends The remainder of the dialogue is taken up with an actual performance of such an exercise where a young Aristoteles later a member of the Thirty Tyrants not to be confused with Plato s eventual student Aristotle takes the place of Socrates as Parmenides interlocutor Discussion with Aristoteles EditThis difficult second part of the dialogue is generally agreed to be one of the most challenging and sometimes bizarre pieces in the whole of the Platonic corpus It consists of an unrelenting series of difficult and subtle arguments where the exchange is stripped of all but the bare essentials of the arguments involved Gone are the drama and colour we are accustomed to from earlier dialogues The second part of the dialogue can be divided thus Hypothesis Deduction n 1 137c 142a If it is one The one cannot be made up of parts because then the one would be made of many Nor can it be a whole because wholes are made of parts Thus the one has no parts and is not a whole It has not a beginning a middle nor an end because these are parts it is therefore unlimited It has no shape because it is neither linear nor circular a circle has parts all equidistant from the centre but the one has no parts nor a centre It is not a line because a line has a middle and two extremes which the one cannot have Thus the one has no shape The one cannot be in anything nor in itself If it was in another it would be all surrounded and by what it is inside and would be touched at many parts by what contains it but the one has no parts and thus cannot be inside something else If it were in itself it would contain itself but if it is contained then it is different from what contains it and thus the one would be two The one cannot move because movement is change or change in position It cannot change because it has no parts to change If it moves position it moves either circularly or linearly If it spins in place its outer part revolves around its middle but the one has neither If it moves its position it moves through something else which it cannot be inside Thus the one does not move The one must be itself and cannot be different from it The one does not take part in the flowing of time so it is imperishable Hypothesis Deduction n 2 142b 155e If the one is The one is it must be and it is part of being The one is part of being and vice versa Being is a part of the one the one is a whole that is a group of sections The one does not participate in the being so it must be a single part Being is unlimited and is contained in everything however big or small it is So since the one is part of being it is divided into as many parts as being thus it is unfinished The parts are themselves sections of a whole the whole is delimited confirming the presence of a beginning a centre and an end Therefore since the centre is itself at the same distance from the beginning and the end the one must have a form linear spherical or mixed If the whole is in some of its parts it will be the plus into the minus and different from itself The one is also elsewhere it is stationary and in movement at the same time The Appendix to the First Two Deductions 155e 157bHypothesis Deduction n 3 157b 159b If the one is not If the one is not it participates in everything different from it so everything is partially one Similarity dissimilarity bigness equality and smallness belong to it since the one is similar to itself but dissimilar to anything that is but it can be big or small as regards dissimilarity and equal as concerns similarity So the one participates of non being and also of being because you can think of it Therefore the one becomes and perishes and since it participates of non being stays The one removes from itself the contraries so that it is unnameable not disputable not knowable or sensible or showable The other things appear one and many limited and unlimited similar and dissimilar the same and completely different in movement and stationary and neither the first nor the latter thing since they are different from the one and other things Eventually they are not So if the one is not being is not A satisfactory characterisation of this part of the dialogue has eluded scholars since antiquity Many thinkers have tried among them Cornford Russell Ryle and Owen but few would accept without hesitation any of their characterisations as having got to the heart of the matter Recent interpretations of the second part have been provided by Miller 1986 Meinwald 1991 Sayre 1996 Allen 1997 Turnbull 1998 Scolnicov 2003 and Rickless 2007 It is difficult to offer even a preliminary characterisation since commentators disagree even on some of the more rudimentary features of any interpretation Benjamin Jowett did maintain in the introduction to his translation of the book that the dialogue was certainly not a Platonic refutation of the Eleatic doctrine In fact it could well be an Eleatic assessment of the theory of Forms 5 It might even mean that the Eleatic monist doctrine wins over the pluralistic contention of Plato citation needed The discussion at the very least concerns itself with topics close to Plato s heart in many of the later dialogues such as Being Sameness Difference and Unity but any attempt to extract a moral from these passages invites contention The structure of the remainder of the dialogue The Fourth Deduction 159b 160bThe Fifth Deduction 160b 163bThe Sixth Deduction 163b 164bThe Seventh Deduction 164b 165eThe Eighth Deduction 165e 166cThird man argument EditPlato s theory of Forms as it is presented in such dialogues as the Phaedo Republic and the first part of the Parmenides seems committed to the following principles F stands for any Form appearance property forma is a Boethian translation for eἶdos eidos which is the word that Plato used Plato in the Parmenides uses the example greatness mege8os for F ness Aristotle uses the example man 6 One over many For any plurality of F things there is a form of F ness by virtue of partaking of which each member of that plurality is F Self predication Every form of F ness is itself F Non self partaking No form partakes of itself Uniqueness For any property F there is exactly one form of F ness Purity No form can have contrary properties One many The property of being one and the property of being many are contraries Oneness Every form is one However the TMA shows that these principles are mutually contradictory as long as there is a plurality of things that are F In what follows megas megas great is used as an example however the argumentation holds for any F Begin then with the assumption that there is a plurality of great things say A B C By one over many there is a form of greatness say G1 by virtue of partaking of which A B and C are great By self predication G1 is great But then we can add G1 to A B C to form a new plurality of great things A B C G1 By one over many there is a form of greatness say G2 by virtue of partaking of which A B C and G1 are great But in that case G1 partakes of G2 and by Non Self Partaking G1 is not identical to G2 So there are at least two forms of greatness G1 and G2 This already contradicts Uniqueness according to which there is exactly one and hence no more than one form of greatness But it gets worse for the theory of Forms For by Self Predication G2 is great and hence G2 can be added to A B C G1 to form a new plurality of great things A B C G1 G2 By One Over Many there is a form of greatness say G3 by virtue of partaking of which A B C G1 and G2 are great But in that case G1 and G2 both partake of G3 and by Non Self Partaking neither of G1 and G2 is identical to G3 So there must be at least three forms of greatness G1 G2 and G3 Repetition of this reasoning shows that there is an infinite hierarchy of forms of greatness with each form partaking of the infinite number of forms above it in the hierarchy According to Plato anything that partakes of many things must itself be many So each form in the infinite hierarchy of forms of greatness is many But then given Purity and One Many it follows that each form in the infinite hierarchy of forms of greatness is not one This contradicts Oneness Legacy EditThe third man argument was furthered by Aristotle Metaphysics 990b17 1079a13 1039a2 Sophistic Refutations 178b36 ff who rather than using the example of greatness mege8os used the example of a man hence the name of the argument to explain this objection to the theory which he attributes to Plato Aristotle posits that if a man is a man because he partakes in the form of man then a third form would be required to explain how man and the form of man are both man and so on ad infinitum Ancient commentaries Edit The Parmenides was the frequent subject of commentaries by Neoplatonists Important examples include those of Proclus and of Damascius and an anonymous 3rd or 4th commentary possibly due to Porphyry The 13th century translation of Proclus commentary by Dominican friar William of Moerbeke stirred subsequent medieval interest Klibansky 1941 In the 15th century Proclus commentary influenced the philosophy of Nicolas of Cusa and Neoplatonists Giovanni Pico della Mirandola and Marsilio Ficino penned major commentaries According to Ficino While Plato sprinkled the seeds of all wisdom throughout all his dialogues yet he collected the precepts of moral philosophy in the books on the Republic the whole of science in the Timaeus and he comprehended the whole of theology in the Parmenides And whereas in the other works he rises far above all other philosophers in this one he seems to surpass even himself and to bring forth this work miraculously from the adytum of the divine mind and from the innermost sanctum of philosophy Whosoever undertakes the reading of this sacred book shall first prepare himself in a sober mind and detached spirit before he makes bold to tackle the mysteries of this heavenly work For here Plato discusses his own thoughts most subtly how the One itself is the principle of all things which is above all things and from which all things are and in what manner it is outside everything and in everything and how everything is from it through it and toward it in Klibansky 1941 Contemporary interpretations Edit Some scholars including Gregory Vlastos believe that the third man argument is a record of honest perplexity Other scholars think that Plato means us to reject one of the premises that produces the infinite regress namely One Over Many Self Predication or Non Self Partaking But it is also possible to avoid the contradictions by rejecting Uniqueness and Purity while accepting One Over Many Self Predication and Non Self Partaking Texts and translations EditBurnet J Plato Opera Vol II Oxford University Press 1903 ISBN 978 0 19 814541 7 Greek with critical apparatus Fowler H N Plato Vol IV Harvard University Press 1926 Loeb Classical Library 167 ISBN 978 0 674 99185 9 Greek and English Zekl H G Platon Parmenides Meiner Verlag 1972 ISBN 978 3 7873 0280 2 Greek and German Allen R E Plato s Parmenides Revised Edition Yale University Press 1997 ISBN 978 0 300 07729 2 English with commentary Cornford F M Plato and Parmenides Routledge 1939 ISBN 978 0 415 22517 5 English with commentary Gill M L and Ryan P Plato Parmenides Hackett Publishing 1996 ISBN 978 0 87220 329 7 English with notes Scolnicov S Plato s Parmenides University of California Press 2003 ISBN 978 0 520 22403 2 English with commentary Turnbull R The Parmenides and Plato s Late Philosophy University of Toronto Press 1998 ISBN 978 0 8020 4236 1 English with commentary See also EditPhaedrus Theaetetus Sophist Philebus Hylomorphism Harold F Cherniss Plato scholar defended Plato against the Third man argumentReferences Edit The Parmenides has surely proven itself the most enigmatic of all Plato s dialogues In spite of a sustained and extensive history of discussion there is no positive consensus about the basic issues central to its interpretation Miller p 3 Gill Mary Louise Parmenides p 1 Hackett 1996 Meinwald p 367 Rickless Samuel 2020 Zalta Edward N ed Plato s Parmenides The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy Spring 2020 ed Metaphysics Research Lab Stanford University retrieved 2022 12 19 Plato s Parmenides Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy Retrieved 26 September 2014 No proper exposition of Plato s Third Great Paradox appears in the surviving texts of Aristotle There are only scattered references in the text to an argument that Aristotle calls the Third Man Metaphysics 84 23 85 3 93 1 7 990b 17 1079a 13 1039a 2 1059b 8 Sophistic Refutations 178b 36 which is commonly considered essentially the same argument Vandoulakis I M On the Peripatetic versions of the third man paradox Filosofiya matematiki aktualnye problemy Philosophy of mathematics Current problems Proceedings of International Scientific Congress Moscow 14 16 June 2007 Faculty of Philosophy of the Moscow M V Lomonosov University Moscow Savin S A Publ 2007 233 236 Sources EditBechtle Gerald ed An anonymous commentary on Plato s Parmenides Oxford 1996 Cherniss Harold Parmenides and theParmenidesof Plato in American Journal of Philology 53 1932 pp 122 138 Doull James 1999 The Argument to the Hypotheses in Parmenides PDF Animus 4 ISSN 1209 0689 Retrieved August 9 2011 Graeser A Prolegomena zu einer Interpretation des zweiten Teils des Platonischen Parmenides Bern Haupt 1999 Graeser Andreas Platons Parmenides Akademie der Wissenschaften und der Literatur Mainz 2003 Halfwassen Jens Der Aufstieg zum Einen Untersuchungen zu Platon und Plotin K G Saur Verlag 2006 Klibansky Raymond Plato s Parmenides in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance A Chapter in the History of Platonic Studies Medieval and Renaissance Studies 1 1941 3 281 335 Kraut Richard eds The Cambridge Companion to Plato Cambridge New York 1992 Lunstroth Margarete Teilhaben und Erleiden in Platons Parmenides Untersuchungen zum Gebrauch von metexein und pasxein Edition Ruprecht Gottingen 2006 ISBN 978 3 7675 3080 5 Malmsheimer Arne PlatonsParmenidesund Marsilio FicinosParmenides Kommentar Ein kritischer Vergleich Bochumer Studien zur Philosophie Bd 34 Amsterdam 2001 ISBN 90 6032 363 7 online Matia Cubillo G o Suggestions on How to Combine the Platonic Forms to Overcome the Interpretative Difficulties of Parmenides Dialogue Revista de Filosofia de la Universidad de Costa Rica vol 60 n 156 2021 pp 156 171 ISSN 0034 8252 EISSN 2215 5589 Meinwald Constance Goodbye to the Third Man in Kraut pp 365 396 Miller Mitchell H Jr Plato s Parmenides The Conversion of the Soul Princeton 1986 Morrow G R Dillon J M trs Proclus commentary on Plato s Parmenides Princeton University Press 1987 Rickless Samuel C Plato s forms in transition A reading of the Parmenides Cambridge 2007 ISBN 978 0 521 86456 5 Ryle Gilbert Plato s Parmenides in Mind 48 1939 pp 129 51 303 25 Suhr Martin Platons Kritik an den Eleaten Vorschlage zur Interpretation des platonischen Dialogs Parmenides Hamburg 1969 Turner John D Kevin Corrigan ed Plato s Parmenides and Its Heritage Volume 1 History and Interpretation from the Old Academy to later Platonism and Gnosticism Writings from the Greco Roman World Supplements 2 Atlanta Society of Biblical Literature 2010 Zekl Hans Gunter Der Parmenides N G Elwert Verlag Marburg Lahn 1971 Further reading EditAllen R E 1997 Plato s Parmenides revised edition New Haven Yale University Press Chen C H 1944 On the Parmenides of Plato Classical Quarterly 38 101 114 Cherniss H 1944 Aristotle s Criticism of Plato and the Academy Baltimore Johns Hopkins Press Cornford F M 1939 Plato and Parmenides London Routledge and Kegan Paul Fine G 1993 On Ideas Aristotle s Criticism of Plato s Theory of Forms Oxford Clarendon Press Fine G ed 2008 The Oxford Handbook to Plato New York Oxford University Press Gill M L 2012 Philosophos Plato s Missing Dialogue Oxford Oxford University Press Gill C and McCabe M M ed 1996 Form and Argument in Late Plato Oxford Clarendon Press Gill M L and Ryan P ed 1996 Plato Parmenides Indianapolis Hackett Grote G 1865 Plato and the Other Companions of Sokrates Volume II London John Murray Havlicek A and Karfik F 2005 Plato s Parmenides Proceedings of the Fourth Symposium Platonicum Pragense Prague OIKOYMENH Publishers Hermann A 2012 Plato s Eleatic Challenge and the Problem of Self Predication in the Parmenides Presocratics and Plato Festschrift at Delphi in Honor of Charles Kahn Las Vegas Parmenides Publishing 205 232 Hermann A and Chrysakopoulou S 2010 Plato s Parmenides Text Translation and Introductory Essay Las Vegas Parmenides Publishing Karasmanis V 2012 Dialectic and the Second Part of Plato s Parmenides Presocratics and Plato Festschrift at Delphi in Honor of Charles Kahn Las Vegas Parmenides Publishing 183 203 Kraut R ed 1992 The Cambridge Companion to Plato Cambridge Cambridge University Press Malcolm J 1991 Plato on the Self Predication of Forms Early and Middle Dialogues Oxford Clarendon Press Matthews G 1972 Plato s Epistemology and Related Logical Problems London Faber McCabe M M 1994 Plato s Individuals Princeton Princeton University Press Meinwald C C 1991 Plato s Parmenides New York Oxford University Press Miller M H Jr 1986 Plato s Parmenides The Conversion of the Soul Princeton Princeton University Press Rickless S C 2007 Plato s Forms in Transition A Reading of the Parmenides Cambridge Cambridge University Press Robinson R 1953 Plato s Earlier Dialectic 2nd edition Oxford Clarendon Press Ross W D 1953 Plato s Theory of Ideas 2nd edition Oxford Clarendon Press Sanday E C 2015 A Study of Dialectic in Plato s Parmenides Evanston Northwestern University Press Scolnicov S 2003 Plato s Parmenides Berkeley University of California Press Tabak M 2015 Plato s Parmenides Reconsidered New York Palgrave Macmillan Teloh H 1981 The Development of Plato s Metaphysics University Park Pennsylvania State University Press Teloh H and Louzecky D J 1972 Plato s Third Man Argument Phronesis 17 80 94 External links Edit Wikisource has original text related to this article Parmenides Parmenides in a collection of Plato s Dialogues at Standard Ebooks Plato Parmenides at MIT Internet Classics Archive Plato Parmenides at Project Gutenberg Plato s Parmenides and the Dilemma of Participation with an annotated bibliography Rickless Samuel Plato s Parmenides In Zalta Edward N ed Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy Plato s Parmenides translated by Benjamin Jowett Internet Archive 1892 text 45 Parmenides English translation by Benjamin Jowett public domain audiobook at LibriVox Retrieved from https 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