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The Smiths

The Smiths were an English rock band formed in Manchester in 1982 and composed of singer Morrissey, guitarist Johnny Marr, bassist Andy Rourke, and drummer Mike Joyce. Morrissey and Marr formed the band's songwriting partnership. The Smiths are regarded as one of the most important acts to emerge from 1980s British independent music.

The Smiths
The Smiths in 1985 (l-r): Andy Rourke, Morrissey, Johnny Marr and Mike Joyce.
Background information
OriginManchester, England
Genres
Years active1982–1987
Labels
Past members
Websiteofficialsmiths.co.uk

The Smiths signed to the independent label Rough Trade Records in 1983 and released their first album, The Smiths, in 1984. Their focus on a guitar, bass and drum sound, fusing 1960s rock and post-punk, was a rejection of the synth-pop sound predominant at the time. Several Smiths singles reached the top 20 of the UK Singles Chart, and all their studio albums reached the top five of the UK Albums Chart, including the number-one album Meat Is Murder (1985). They achieved mainstream success in Europe with The Queen Is Dead (1986) and Strangeways, Here We Come (1987), which both entered the top 20 of the European Albums Chart.[6] In early 1986, the band became a five-piece with the addition of guitarist Craig Gannon, though he departed by the end of that year, returning the band to its original four-piece line-up.

Internal tensions led to the Smiths' breakup in 1987, followed by public lawsuits over royalties. The members each said that the band would never reunite and refused all offers to do so. Rourke died in 2023 from complications of pancreatic cancer.

History

1982: Formation and early performances

In May 1982, Johnny Marr and his friend Steve Pomfret went to the home of Steven Morrissey in Stretford to invite him to form a band.[7] Marr and Morrissey had met at a Patti Smith gig at Manchester's Apollo Theatre on 31 August 1978, when Marr was 14 and Morrissey was 19.[7] They bonded through their love of poetry and literature.[8] A fan of the New York Dolls, Marr had been impressed that Morrissey had authored a book on the band and was inspired to turn up on his doorstep following the example of Jerry Leiber, who had formed his working partnership with Mike Stoller after turning up at Stoller's door.[9] According to Morrissey: "We got on absolutely famously. We were very similar in drive."[10] The two found that they were fans of many of the same bands.[11] When Marr looked through Morrissey's singles collection, he found the Monochrome Set, a band they both admired.[12] Marr later said that without them the Smiths would not have existed.[13] The next day, Morrissey phoned Marr to confirm that he would be interested in forming a band with him.[14]

A few days later, Morrissey and Marr held their first rehearsal in Marr's rented attic room in Bowdon. Morrissey provided the lyrics for "Don't Blow Your Own Horn", the first song that they worked on; however, they decided against retaining the song, with Marr commenting that "neither of us liked it very much".[14] The next song that they worked on was "The Hand That Rocks the Cradle", which again was based on lyrics produced by Morrissey. Marr based the tempo on the Patti Smith song "Kimberly", and they recorded it on Marr's TEAC three-track cassette recorder. The third track that the duo worked on was "Suffer Little Children".[15] Alongside these original compositions, Morrissey suggested that the band produce a cover of "I Want a Boy for My Birthday", a song by the 1960s American girl band the Cookies; although he had never heard of the song before, Marr agreed, enjoying the subversive element of having a male vocalist sing it, and the song was recorded on his TEAC machine.[16]

"It's still really clear. It was a sunny day, about one o'clock. There was no advance phone call or anything. I just knocked and he opened the door. As soon as the door opened, Pommy [Pomfret] took two very firm steps back. Which is one of the things that got me to talk so fast, it was just plain exuberance."

— Marr, on arriving at Morrissey's door[14]

By late 1982, Morrissey had chosen the band name the Smiths.[17] He said later that "it was the most ordinary name and I thought it was time that the ordinary folk of the world showed their faces".[18] Around the time of the band's formation, Morrissey decided that he would be publicly known only by his surname,[19] with Marr referring to him as "Mozzer" or "Moz".[20] In 1983, he forbade those around him from using the name "Steven", which he despised.[20]

After remaining with the band for several rehearsals, Pomfret departed acrimoniously.[21] He was replaced by the bass player Dale Hibbert, who worked at Manchester's Decibel Studios, where Marr had met him while recording Freak Party's demo.[18] Through Hibbert, the Smiths recorded their first demo at Decibel one night in August 1982.[22] Aided by drummer Simon Wolstencroft, whom Marr had worked with in Freak Party, the band recorded both "The Hand That Rocks the Cradle" and "Suffer Little Children".[23] Wolstencroft was not interested in joining the band, so following auditions Mike Joyce joined; he later revealed that he was under the influence of magic mushrooms during his audition.[24] Meanwhile, Morrissey took the demo recording to Factory Records, but Factory's Tony Wilson was not interested.[25]

In October 1982, the Smiths gave their first public performance as a support act for Blue Rondo à la Turk during a student music and fashion show, "An Evening of Pure Pleasure", at Manchester's Ritz.[26] During the performance, they played both their own compositions and "I Want a Boy for My Birthday".[27] Morrissey had organised the gig's aesthetic; the band came onstage to Klaus Nomi's version of Henry Purcell's "The Cold Song" playing through the venue's sound system before his friend James Maker stepped onstage to introduce the band.[28] Maker remained onstage during the performance, relating that "I was given a pair of maracas – an optional extra – and carte blanche. There were no instructions – I think it was generally accepted I would improvise... I was there to drink red wine, make extraneous hand gestures and keep well within the tight, chalked circle that Morrissey had drawn around me."[29] Hibbert was allegedly unhappy with what he perceived as the band's "gay" aesthetic; in turn, Morrissey and Marr were unhappy with his bass playing, so he was replaced by Marr's old schoolfriend Andy Rourke.[30] Hibbert denies that he objected to the band being perceived as gay, and said he was not sure why he was asked to leave.[31]

In December 1982, the Smiths recorded their second demo, at the Drone Studios in Chorlton-cum-Hardy; the tracks recorded were "What Difference Does It Make?", "Handsome Devil" and "Miserable Lie".[32] This was used as their audition tape for the record company EMI, who turned the band down.[33] The band continued to practice, this time at the upstairs of the Portland Street Crazy Face Clothing company, a space secured by their new manager Joe Moss.[34] By Christmas, they had created four new songs: "These Things Take Time", "What Do You See in Him?", "Jeane" and "A Matter of Opinion", the last of which they soon scrapped.[35] Their next gig was Manchester's Manhattan in late January 1983, and although Maker would again appear as a go-go dancer, this was the last time that he did so.[36] In early February, they performed their third gig, at the Haçienda.[37]

1983: Rough Trade and "Hand in Glove"

Marr and Rourke visited London to hand a cassette of their recordings to Geoff Travis of the independent record label Rough Trade Records.[38] Travis agreed to cut their song "Hand in Glove" as a single.[39] For the cover, Morrissey insisted on a homoerotic photograph by Jim French which he had found in Margaret Walters' The Nude Male.[39] The single was released in May 1983,[40] and sold well for the next 18 months, but did not chart in the UK Top 40.[41] Among the audience at the Smiths' second London concert, at the University of London Union, was John Walters, the producer of John Peel's BBC Radio 1 show: he invited the band to record a session for the programme. Peel said: "You couldn't immediately tell what records they'd been listening to. That's fairly unusual, very rare indeed... It was that aspect of the Smiths that I found most impressive."[41] Following this radio exposure, the Smiths gained their first interviews, in the music magazines NME and Sounds.[41]

Travis travelled to Manchester to meet the band at their Crazy Face rehearsal space and sign a record contract with Rough Trade.[42] Morrissey and Marr signed it on behalf of the band, and there was no discussion of how earnings would be divided.[43] Travis brought in Troy Tate of the Teardrop Explodes, and under his supervision the band recorded their first album, at the Elephant Studios in Wapping, East London.[44] Rough Trade were unhappy with the album and Tate's production, insisting the band rerecord it with a new producer, John Porter.[45] The singles "This Charming Man" and "What Difference Does It Make?" reached numbers 25 and 12 on the UK Singles Chart.[46] Aided by praise from the music press and a series of studio sessions for Peel and David Jensen at BBC Radio 1, the Smiths began to build a dedicated fanbase.[citation needed]

The Smiths generated controversy when Garry Bushell of The Sun tabloid alleged their B-side "Handsome Devil" was an endorsement of paedophilia.[47] The band denied this, with Morrissey stating the song "has nothing to do with children, and certainly nothing to do with child-molesting".[48]

"The Smiths brought realism to their romance, and tempered their angst with the lightest of touches. The times were personified in their frontman: rejecting all taints of rock n' roll machismo, he played up the social awkwardness of the misfit and the outsider, his gently haunting vocals whooping suddenly upward into a falsetto, clothed in outsize women's shirts, sporting National Health specs or a huge Johnny Ray-style hearing aid. This charming young man was, in the vernacular of the time, the very antithesis of a 'rockist' – always knowingly closer to the gentle ironicist Alan Bennett, or self-lacerating diarist Kenneth Williams, than a licentious Mick Jagger or a drugged-out Jim Morrison."

— Paul A. Woods, 2007[49]

1984: The Smiths

In February 1984, the Smiths released their debut album, The Smiths, which reached number two on the UK Albums Chart.[50] "Reel Around the Fountain" and "The Hand That Rocks the Cradle" met with controversy, with some tabloid newspapers alleging the songs were suggestive of paedophilia, a claim strongly denied by the group.[51] In March 1984, the Smiths performed on Channel 4 music program The Tube.[52]

The album was followed the same year by the non-album singles "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now" and "William, It Was Really Nothing", which featured "How Soon Is Now?" on its B-side. Securing the band's first top ten placing, "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now" was also significant for marking the beginning of engineer and producer Stephen Street's long-term working relationship with the band.[53]

More controversy followed when "Suffer Little Children", the B-side to "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now", touched on the theme of the Moors murders. This caused an uproar after the grandfather of one of the murdered children heard the song on a pub jukebox and felt the band was trying to commercialise the murders. After meeting with Morrissey, he accepted that the song was a sincere exploration of the impact of the murders. Morrissey subsequently established a friendship with Ann West, the mother of victim Lesley Ann Downey, who is mentioned by name in the song.[54]

The year ended with the release of the compilation album Hatful of Hollow. This collected singles, B-sides and tracks recorded throughout the previous year for the Peel and Jensen radio shows.

1985: Meat Is Murder

Early in 1985, the Smiths released their second studio album, Meat Is Murder. It was more strident and political than its predecessor, including the pro-vegetarian title track (Morrissey forbade the rest of the group from being photographed eating meat), the light-hearted republicanism of "Nowhere Fast", and the anti-corporal punishment "The Headmaster Ritual" and "Barbarism Begins at Home". The band had also grown more diverse musically, with Marr adding rockabilly riffs to "Rusholme Ruffians" and Rourke playing a funk bass solo on "Barbarism Begins at Home". The album was preceded by the re-release of the B-side "How Soon Is Now?" as a single, and although that song was not on the original LP, it has been added to subsequent releases. Meat Is Murder was the band's only album (barring compilations) to reach number one in the UK charts.[50] In 2003, it was ranked number 295 on Rolling Stone's list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time.[55]

Morrissey brought a political stance to many of his interviews, courting further controversy. Among his targets were the Thatcher government, the British monarchy and the famine relief project Band Aid. Morrissey famously quipped of the last, "One can have great concern for the people of Ethiopia, but it's another thing to inflict daily torture on the people of England"[56] ("torture" being a reference to the music that resulted from the project). The subsequent single-only release "Shakespeare's Sister" reached number 26 on the UK Singles Chart, although the only single taken from the album, "That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore", was less successful, barely making the top 50.[57] In 1985, the Smiths completed lengthy tours of the UK and the US.[58]

1986: The Queen Is Dead

The Smiths' third studio album, The Queen Is Dead, was released in June 1986, following its singles "The Boy with the Thorn in His Side" and "Bigmouth Strikes Again". Marr added ersatz strings with keyboards on several tracks such as "There Is a Light That Never Goes Out" and "The Boy with the Thorn in His Side".[59] The Queen Is Dead reached number two in the UK charts.[50]

A legal dispute with Rough Trade had delayed the album by almost seven months (it had been completed in November 1985), and Marr was beginning to feel the stress of the band's exhausting touring and recording schedule. He later told NME, "'Worse for wear' wasn't the half of it: I was extremely ill. By the time the tour actually finished it was all getting a little bit ... dangerous. I was just drinking more than I could handle."[60] Rourke was fired from the band in early 1986 due to his use of heroin. He allegedly received notice of his dismissal via a Post-it Note stuck to the windscreen of his car. It read, "Andy – you have left the Smiths. Goodbye and good luck, Morrissey."[61] Morrissey denied this.

Rourke was replaced on bass by Craig Gannon (formerly a member of Scottish new wave band Aztec Camera), but was then reinstated two weeks later. Gannon stayed in the band, switching to rhythm guitar. This five-piece recorded the singles "Panic" and "Ask" (the latter with Kirsty MacColl on backing vocals) which reached numbers 11 and 14 respectively on the UK Singles Chart,[57] and toured the UK.

An arrest on drug possession charges almost led to Rourke being replaced by Guy Pratt for the band's North American tour later that year. Rourke's work visa came through just before departure. While the shows were successful, heavy drinking and drug use by crew and band members other than Morrissey took a toll on the group,[citation needed] along with ineffective management and lingering disputes with Rough Trade (whom the band was seriously considering leaving for EMI)[62] and their American label Sire Records (who Morrissey felt did not do enough to promote the Smiths).[58][63] After a date in St. Petersburg, Florida, he and Marr cancelled the remaining four shows, including a grand finale at New York City's Radio City Music Hall. After the following UK tour ended in October 1986, Gannon left the band. During his time with the band, Gannon played on six studio tracks ("Panic" and "Ask", their B-sides, "Half a Person" and "London", the last two of which were released as B-sides the following year).[64] On 12 December 1986 the band performed their last concert, an anti-apartheid benefit at Brixton Academy, London.[65]

As they had been severed from the contract with Rough Trade records they sought a new deal with a major label. Marr told NME in early 1987, "Every single label came to see us. It was small-talk, bribes, the whole number. I really enjoyed it." The band signed with EMI, which drew criticism from their fanbase and elements of the music press.[60]

1987: Strangeways, Here We Come and breakup

In early 1987, "Shoplifters of the World Unite" reached number 12 on the UK Singles Chart.[57] It was followed by a second compilation album, The World Won't Listen. The title was Morrissey's comment on his frustration with the band's lack of mainstream recognition; it reached number two in the charts.[50] This was followed by the single "Sheila Take a Bow", the band's second (and last during the band's lifetime) UK top-10 hit.[57] Another compilation album, Louder Than Bombs, was released in the US in March 1987, with a UK release following two months later. The Smiths' fourth studio album, Strangeways, Here We Come, opened with a piano introduction as Marr wanted to get away from the Smiths' sound.[66] Marr also played keyboards for the other tracks.[66] The first song, "A Rush and a Push and the Land Is Ours", features no guitar.[67]

Despite their continued success, tensions emerged within the band. Marr was exhausted and took a break in June 1987, which he felt was negatively perceived by his bandmates. In July, he left the group because he erroneously believed an NME article titled "Smiths to Split" was planted by Morrissey.[68] The article, written by Danny Kelly, alleged that Morrissey disliked Marr working with other musicians and that Marr and Morrissey's personal relationship had reached a breaking point. Marr contacted NME to explain that he had not left the band due to personal tensions but because he wanted wider musical scope.[69] Former Easterhouse guitarist Ivor Perry was brought in to replace Marr.[70] The band recorded some material with him which was never completed, including an early version of "Bengali in Platforms", later released on Morrissey's debut solo album, Viva Hate (1988).[71] Perry was uncomfortable with the situation, saying "it was like they wanted another Johnny Marr"; according to Perry, the sessions ended with Morrissey running out of the studio.[72]

By the time Strangeways, Here We Come was released in September, the Smiths had split. The breakdown has been primarily attributed to Morrissey's irritation with Marr's work with other artists and Marr's frustration with Morrissey's musical inflexibility. Marr particularly hated Morrissey's obsession with covering 1960s pop artists such as Twinkle and Cilla Black, saying in 1992: "That was the last straw, really. I didn't form a group to perform Cilla Black songs."[73] In a 1989 interview, Morrissey cited the lack of a managerial figure and business problems as reasons for the split.[74]

Strangeways, Here We Come reached number two in the UK in October 1987,[50] and was the Smiths' most successful album in the US, reaching number 55 on the Billboard 200.[75] Morrissey and Marr name it as their favourite Smiths album.[76] Two further singles from Strangeways were released with live, session and demo tracks as B-sides. The following year, the live album Rank, recorded in 1986 when Craig Gannon was still in the band, peaked at number 2 in the UK and entered in the European 100 Albums chart at number 9.[77]

1989: Royalties dispute

Morrissey and Marr each took 40% of the Smiths' recording and performance royalties, allowing 10 per cent each to Joyce and Rourke. As Joyce's barrister later argued in court, Joyce and Rourke were treated as session musicians, "as readily replaceable as the parts in a lawnmower".[78] In March 1989, Joyce and Rourke started legal proceedings against Morrissey and Marr. They argued that they were equal partners in the Smiths and were each entitled to a 25 per cent share of the band's profits on all activities other than songwriting and publishing. Rourke, who was in debt, settled quickly for a lump sum of £83,000 (equivalent to £219,682 in 2021) and 10 per cent of royalties, renouncing all further claims.[79]

Joyce continued with the action, which reached the High Court of Justice (Chancery Division) in December 1996. Morrissey and Marr had accepted the previous year that Joyce and Rourke were partners, but whether Joyce was entitled to a quarter of profits "arising out of the activities (other than songwriting or publishing)" of the Smiths remained contentious.[80] Joyce's barrister, Nigel Davis, said that Joyce did not realise he was receiving only 10% of the profits until after the band split.[81]

Morrissey and Marr – who were represented separately at the trial[80] – insisted that the royalty split had been explained to Rourke and Joyce, though they were no longer sure when. Additionally, this agreement was only discussed verbally and it was never legally written on paper, something Marr came to regret. He said in 2004 that although he had no regrets in breaking up the Smiths, he wished the band had signed legal documents "from the word go" to avoid the later financial disagreements.[82] As Marr's counsel, Robert Englehart, said, "Some 13 years on it is extremely difficult to pinpoint the moment when the 40:40:10:10 profit split came into being ... But Morrissey and Marr acted throughout on the basis that they would be getting 40 percent each of the net profits from the Smiths' earnings."[83]

After a seven-day hearing, Judge Weeks found in favour of Joyce, ordering that he receive around £1 million in back-royalties and 25 per cent henceforth. The judge also gave character assessments; Joyce and Rourke (who gave evidence in Joyce's support) impressed him as straightforward and honest, whereas Morrissey "appeared devious, truculent and unreliable where his own interests were at stake" and Marr was "willing to embroider his evidence to a point where he became less credible".[80] The judge also ranked the band members by IQ, with Marr "probably the more intelligent of the four", while Rourke and Joyce were "unintellectual".[84] Morrissey said in an interview eight months later:

The court case was a potted history of the life of the Smiths. Mike, talking constantly and saying nothing. Andy, unable to remember his own name. Johnny, trying to please everyone and consequently pleasing no one. And Morrissey under the scorching spotlight in the dock being drilled. "How dare you be successful?" "How dare you move on?" To me, the Smiths were a beautiful thing and Johnny left it, and Mike has destroyed it.[85]

Asked some time before the trial whether he thought Rourke and Joyce had been short-changed, Morrissey responded: "They were lucky. If they'd had another singer they'd never have got further than Salford shopping centre."[86][87][88] Morrissey's counsel, Ian Mill, conceded that Morrissey's attitude "betrayed a degree of arrogance".[89] Morrissey appealed against the verdict; the appeal was heard by the Court of Appeal (Civil Division) in November 1998 and dismissed.[80] Inspired by Joyce's success, Rourke sought legal advice on his own options.[90] He was declared bankrupt in 1999.[91]

In November 2005, Mike Joyce told Marc Riley on BBC Radio 6 Music that financial hardship had reduced him to selling rare Smiths' recordings on eBay. By way of illustration, Riley played part of an unfinished instrumental known as the "Click Track" (or "Cowbell Track").[92] Morrissey responded with a statement three days later revealing that Joyce had received £215,000 each from Marr and Morrissey in 1997, along with Marr's final back-payment of £260,000 in 2001. Morrissey failed to make his final payment because, he said, he was overseas in 2001 and did not receive the paperwork. Joyce obtained a default judgement against Morrissey, revised his outstanding claim to £688,000 and secured orders garnishing much of his income. This was a source of inconvenience and grievance to Morrissey, who estimated that Joyce had cost him at least £1,515,000 in recovered royalties and legal fees up to 30 November 2005.[93]

Solo careers

 
Morrissey performing at SXSW in Austin, Texas in 2006

Following the group's split, Morrissey began work on a solo recording, collaborating with producer Stephen Street and fellow Mancunian Vini Reilly, guitarist for the Durutti Column. The resulting album, Viva Hate (a reference to the end of the Smiths), was released in March 1988, reaching number one in the UK charts. In the following years, he invited several singers for backing vocals on several songs such as Suggs of Madness on "Piccadilly Palare" and Chrissie Hynde of the Pretenders on "My Love Life". He recorded a duet with Siouxsie Sioux of Siouxsie and the Banshees, "Interlude" which was released under the banner of both artists. He also collaborated with arranger Ennio Morricone on "Dear God Please Help Me". At the beginning of the 90s, he enjoyed a new popularity in North America, following his first tour as Morrissey. Morrissey continues to perform and record as a solo artist and had released 13 studio albums as of 2020.

Marr returned in 1989 with New Order's Bernard Sumner and Pet Shop Boys' Neil Tennant in the supergroup Electronic. Electronic released three albums over the next decade. Marr was also a member of the The, recording two albums with them between 1989 and 1993. He has worked as a session musician and writing collaborator with artists including the Pretenders, Bryan Ferry, Pet Shop Boys, Billy Bragg, Black Grape, Talking Heads, Crowded House and Beck.

 
Johnny Marr performing as part of the group the Cribs at the 9:30 Club in Washington, DC, in 2010

In 2000 he started another band, Johnny Marr + the Healers, which released only one album, Boomslang (2003), to moderate success, then split up shortly afterwards. He later worked as a guest musician on the Oasis album Heathen Chemistry (2002). In 2006 he began work with Modest Mouse's Isaac Brock on songs that eventually featured on the band's 2007 release, We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank. Modest Mouse subsequently announced that Marr was a fully fledged member and the reformed line-up toured extensively in 2006–07. In January 2008, it was reported that Marr had taken part in a week-long songwriting session at Moolah Rouge recording studio in Stockport with Wakefield indie group the Cribs.[51] Marr's association with the band lasted three years and included an appearance on its fourth album, Ignore the Ignorant (2009). His departure was announced in April 2011.[94] He recorded three solo albums, The Messenger (2013), Playland (2014) and Call the Comet (2018). In addition to his activities as a musician and songwriter, Marr produced Marion's second album, The Program (1998) and Haven's debut album, Between the Senses (2002).[95][96]

Andy Rourke and Mike Joyce continued to work together. They toured with Sinéad O'Connor in the first half of 1988 (Rourke also appeared on her 1990 album I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got). Still in 1988, they were recruited (with Craig Gannon) to the Adult Net, but left the band soon afterwards. In 1988 and 1989, they recorded singles with Morrissey. In 1998 they toured and recorded with Aziz Ibrahim (the Stone Roses). In 2001 they formed Specter with Jason Specter and others. The band played in the United Kingdom and the United States, but did not prosper.[97] In the same year they recorded demos with Paul Arthurs (Oasis), Aziz Ibrahim and Rowetta Idah (Happy Mondays) under the name Moondog One, but the project went no further. Towards the end of 2001, they played together in the veteran Manchester band Jeep.[98] In 2005 they played with Vinny Peculiar, recording the single "Two Fat Lovers" (Joyce also appeared on the 2006 album The Fall and Rise of Vinny Peculiar).[99] In 2007 they released the documentary DVD Inside the Smiths, a surprisingly affectionate memoir of their time with the band, notable for the absence of Marr, Morrissey and their music.

Joyce recorded with Suede (1990); toured and recorded with Buzzcocks (1990–91); toured with Julian Cope (1992); toured with John Lydon and Public Image Ltd (1992); recorded with P.P. Arnold (1995); toured and recorded with Pete Wylie (1996–98); toured with Vinny Peculiar and Paul Arthurs (2007); and toured with Autokat (2008–09).[100] He presented the Alternative Therapy radio show on Revolution 96.2 FM until the station changed format in 2008, later reviving it on Manchester Radio Online and Tin Can Media.[101] He hosts The Coalition Chart Show on East Village Radio, which streams from New York.[102]

Rourke played and recorded with the Pretenders (featuring on Last of the Independents, 1994); Badly Drawn Boy (with whom he played for two years); Proud Mary (featuring on Love and Light, 2004); and Ian Brown (featuring on The World Is Yours, 2007). In 2007, he formed Freebass with fellow bassists Peter Hook (New Order and Joy Division) and Mani (the Stone Roses and Primal Scream).[103] Rourke co-founded the Manchester v Cancer concert series, later known as Versus Cancer, to raise money for cancer research.[citation needed] He concentrated on his radio career, beginning with a Saturday-evening show on XFM Manchester. He was a regular on East Village Radio, where his colleagues include Joyce.[104] Rourke relocated to New York in early 2009.[105] There, he formed Jetlag, a "DJ and audio production outfit", with Olé Koretsky.[106] In April 2014, the Cranberries vocalist Dolores O'Riordan joined the group and they changed their name to D.A.R.K.[107]

Reunion speculation

Marr and Morrissey have repeatedly said that they will not reunite the band. In 2006, Morrissey declared, "I would rather eat my own testicles than reform the Smiths, and that's saying something for a vegetarian."[108] When asked why in another interview the same year, he responded, "I feel as if I've worked very hard since the demise of the Smiths and the others haven't, so why hand them attention that they haven't earned? We are not friends, we don't see each other. Why on earth would we be on a stage together?"[109] In a February 2009 interview on BBC Radio 2, he said, "People always ask me about reunions and I can't imagine why [...] the past seems like a distant place, and I'm pleased with that."[110] In 2002, Joyce said he was not interested in reforming as he felt the Smiths had run its course.[111]

In November 2004, VH1 screened a Backstage Pass Special episode of Bands Reunited showing host Aamer Haleem trying and failing to corner Morrissey before a show at the Apollo Theater.[112] In March 2006, Morrissey said the Smiths had declined a $5 million offer to perform at the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival, saying, "Money doesn't come into it ... It was a fantastic journey. And then it ended. I didn't feel we should have ended. I wanted to continue. [Marr] wanted to end it. And that was that."[113]

In August 2007, it was widely reported that Morrissey had that summer declined an offer of $75 million – nearly £40 million at the time – from a "consortium of promoters" to reunite with Marr for a fifty-date world tour under the Smiths' name in 2008 and 2009. NME gave Morrissey as its source for the story.[114] Rolling Stone cited his publicist.[115] The offer was also reported at true-to-you.net, an unofficial fan site tacitly supported by Morrissey.[116] It was later described as a hoax, although it is unclear who was hoaxing whom.[117] In October, Marr said on BBC Radio 5 Live: "Stranger things have happened so, you know, who knows? ... It's no biggie. Maybe we will in 10 or 15 years' time when we all need to for whatever reasons, but right now Morrissey is doing his thing and I'm doing mine."[118]

In 2008, Marr resumed contact with Morrissey and Rourke while remastering the band's catalogue.[84] That September, Morrissey and Marr met in Manchester and discussed the possibility of reforming the band.[84] The two kept in contact over the next four days and decided to exclude Joyce from any prospective reunion and to wait until after Marr completed his commitments to the Cribs.[84] Communication between the two abruptly ended while Marr was touring in Mexico with the Cribs and the topic of a reunion was never brought up again.[84] Marr said that he did not hear from Morrissey again until a brief email correspondence in December 2010.[84] In June 2009, Marr told an interviewer on London's XFM, "I think we were offered 50 million dollars for three ... possibly five shows." He said that the chances of a reunion were "nothing to do with money" and that the reasons were "really abstract".[119]

In January 2006, Marr and the Healers played at Rourke's Manchester v Cancer benefit concert, where Marr performed "How Soon Is Now?" with Rourke.[120] Marr and Rourke also performed "How Soon Is Now?" at the Lollapallooza Brazil festival in 2014.[121] Rourke died of pancreatic cancer on 19 May 2023, aged 59.[103]

Musical style

Morrissey and Johnny Marr dictated the musical direction of the Smiths. Marr said in 1990 that it "was a 50/50 thing between Morrissey and me. We were completely in sync about which way we should go for each record".[122] The Smiths' "non-rhythm-and-blues, whiter-than-white fusion of 1960s rock and post-punk was a repudiation of contemporary dance pop",[5] and the band purposely rejected synthesisers and dance music.[68] However, from their second album Meat Is Murder, Marr embellished their songs with keyboards.[67]

Marr's jangly guitar-playing was influenced by Roger McGuinn of the Byrds, Neil Young's work with Crazy Horse, George Harrison (with the Beatles), James Honeyman-Scott of the Pretenders and Bert Jansch of Pentangle.[123] Marr often used a capo to tune his guitar up a full step to F-sharp to accommodate Morrissey's vocal range and also used open tunings. Citing producer Phil Spector as an influence, Marr said, "I like the idea of records, even those with plenty of space, that sound 'symphonic'. I like the idea of all the players merging into one atmosphere".[122] Marr's other favourite guitarists are James Williamson of the Stooges, Rory Gallagher, Pete Townshend of the Who, Jimi Hendrix, Marc Bolan of T. Rex, Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones and John McGeoch of Magazine and Siouxsie and the Banshees.[124] In a 2007 interview for the BBC, Marr reported that with the Smiths his goal was to "pare down" his style and avoid rock guitar clichés.[125] Marr forbade himself from using power chords, distortion, lengthy solos, or "big rock chord changes", instead relying on sophisticated arpeggios to create his signature chiming guitar work for the band. Although occasionally, Marr would disobey his own rules, such as his use of an overdrive pedal in "London".[citation needed][126]

Morrissey's role was to create vocal melodies and lyrics.[127] Morrissey's songwriting was influenced by punk rock and post-punk bands such as New York Dolls, the Cramps, the Specials and the Cult, along with 1960s girl groups and singers such as Dusty Springfield, Sandie Shaw, Marianne Faithfull and Timi Yuro. Morrissey's lyrics, while superficially depressing, were often full of mordant humour; John Peel remarked that the Smiths were one of the few bands capable of making him laugh out loud. Influenced by his childhood interest in the social realism of 1960s "kitchen sink" television plays, Morrissey wrote about ordinary people and their experiences with despair, rejection and death. While "songs such as 'Still Ill' sealed his role as spokesman for disaffected youth", Morrissey's "manic-depressive rants" and his "'woe-is-me' posture inspired some hostile critics to dismiss the Smiths as 'miserabilists.'"[5] Julian Stringer characterised the Smiths as "one of Britain's most overtly political groups",[128] while in his study of their work, Andrew Warnes termed them "the most anti-capitalist of bands".[129]

Imagery

The group's cover artwork had a distinctive visual style and often featured images of film and pop stars, usually in duotone. Design was by Morrissey and Rough Trade art coordinator Jo Slee. The covers of singles rarely featured any text other than the band name and the band itself did not appear on the cover of any UK release. (Morrissey did, however, appear on an alternative cover for "What Difference Does It Make?", mimicking the pose of the original subject, actor Terence Stamp, after the latter objected to his picture being used.) The choice of cover subjects reflected Morrissey's interest in film stars (Stamp, Alain Delon, Jean Marais, Warhol protégé Joe Dallesandro, James Dean); figures from sixties British popular culture (Viv Nicholson, Pat Phoenix, Yootha Joyce, Shelagh Delaney); and anonymous images from old films and magazines.[130]

The Smiths dressed mainly in ordinary clothes – jeans and plain shirts – in keeping with the back-to-basics, guitar-and-drums style of the music. This contrasted with the exotic high-fashion image cultivated by New Romantic pop groups such as Spandau Ballet and Duran Duran and highlighted in magazines such as The Face and i-D. In 1986, when the Smiths performed on the British music programme The Old Grey Whistle Test, Morrissey wore a fake hearing-aid to support a hearing-impaired fan who was ashamed of using one,[131] and also frequently wore thick-rimmed National Health Service-style glasses. Morrissey also would often wave gladioli flowers onstage.

As frontman of the Smiths, Morrissey subverted many of the norms that were associated with pop and rock music.[132] The band's aesthetic simplicity was a reaction to the excess personified by the New Romantics,[133] and while Morrissey adopted an androgynous appearance like the New Romantics or earlier glam rockers, his was far more subtle and understated.[134] According to one commentator, "he was bookish; he wore NHS spectacles and a hearing aid on stage; he was celibate. Worst of all, he was sincere", with his music being "so intoxicatingly melancholic, so dangerously thoughtful, so seductively funny that it lured its listeners... into a relationship with him and his music instead of the world."[135]

Legacy

The Smiths have been widely influential. Ian Youngs of BBC News described them as "the band that inspired deeper devotion than any British group since the Beatles".[136] Marr's guitar playing "was a huge building block for more Manchester legends that followed the Smiths", including the Stone Roses, whose guitarist John Squire said Marr was an influence.[137] Oasis guitarist Noel Gallagher also cites the Smiths as an influence, especially Marr. Gallagher said that "when the Jam split, the Smiths started, and I totally went for them."[138] Singer Davey Havok of the band AFI cites the Smiths as an influence.[139]

Q magazine's Simon Goddard argued in 2007 that the Smiths were "the one truly vital voice of the '80s" and "the most influential British guitar group of the decade". He continued: "As the first indie outsiders to achieve mainstream success on their own terms (their second album proper, 1985's Meat Is Murder, made Number 1 in the UK), they elevated rock's standard four-piece formula to new heights of magic and poetry. Their legacy can be traced down through the Stone Roses, Oasis and the Libertines to today's crop of artful young guitar bands."[140]

In Uncut, Simon Reynolds wrote: "Once upon a time, a band from the North came with a sound so fresh and vigorous it took the nation by storm. The sound was rock, but crucially it was pop, too: concise, punchy, melodic, shiny without being 'plastic'. The singer was a true original, delivering a blend of sensitivity and strength, defiance and tenderness, via a regionally inflected voice. The young man's lips spilled forth words that were realistic without being dour, full of sly humour and beautifully observed detail. Most recognised their debut album as a landmark, an instant classic."[141]

The "Britpop movement pre-empted by the Stone Roses and spearheaded by groups like Oasis, Suede and Blur drew heavily from Morrissey's portrayal of and nostalgia for a bleak urban England of the past."[142] Blur formed as a result of seeing the Smiths on The South Bank Show in 1987. Yet even while leading bands from the Britpop movement were influenced by the Smiths, they were at odds with the "basic anti-establishment philosophies of Morrissey and the Smiths", since Britpop "was an entirely commercial construct".[143] Mark Simpson suggested that "the whole point of Britpop was to airbrush Morrissey out of the picture ... Morrissey had to become an 'unperson' so that the Nineties and its centrally-planned and coordinated pop economy could happen."[144]

Rolling Stone included four Smiths albums on its 2012 list of the "500 Greatest Albums of All Time",[55] and included "William, It Was Really Nothing" and "How Soon Is Now?" on its 2004 list of the "500 Greatest Songs of All Time".[145] Morrissey is included in its 2010 list of the greatest singers.[146] In 2014 and 2015, the Smiths were nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.[147][148]

Blossoms and Rick Astley

In September 2021, the band Blossoms and the singer Rick Astley performed a pair of concerts of Smiths covers.[149] The Guardian gave one performance four out of five, writing that "the ultimate Smiths karaoke shouldn't work, but it does".[150] Blossoms and Astley performed again at the 2023 Glastonbury Festival. The Guardian gave the performance five out of five, suggesting that it offered fans a way to enjoy the Smiths without the "moral queasiness" of Morrissey, who had become a controversial figure in the preceding years.[151]

Following their first performances, Morrissey thanked Blossoms and Astley on his website, writing: "Anything that generates interest in that tired old Smiths warhorse is testimony to the wallop it packed."[152] Marr described the performances as "funny and horrible at the same time" and said he had not been informed they were happening. He said later he had "dealt with it".[153] In response to Marr's comments, Astley said: "It's his work and his life, but it doesn't seem like [the Smiths] are ever getting back together ... It's a difficult one, but I did it from a place of absolute joy and love for those songs."[152]

Members

Timeline

Discography

References

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External links

  • The Smiths at Curlie
  • The Smiths at IMDb
  • The Smiths discography at Discogs
  • Plundering Desire – articles & interviews, release reviews, live reviews, news items
  • Vulgar Picture – visual Smiths and Morrissey discography

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This article is about the band For the album see The Smiths album For other uses see Smiths The Smiths were an English rock band formed in Manchester in 1982 and composed of singer Morrissey guitarist Johnny Marr bassist Andy Rourke and drummer Mike Joyce Morrissey and Marr formed the band s songwriting partnership The Smiths are regarded as one of the most important acts to emerge from 1980s British independent music The SmithsThe Smiths in 1985 l r Andy Rourke Morrissey Johnny Marr and Mike Joyce Background informationOriginManchester EnglandGenresIndie pop 1 indie rock 2 jangle pop 3 post punk 4 alternative rock 5 Years active1982 1987LabelsRough Trade SirePast membersMorrissey Johnny Marr Andy Rourke Mike Joyce Craig Gannon see Members for others Websiteofficialsmiths wbr co wbr ukThe Smiths signed to the independent label Rough Trade Records in 1983 and released their first album The Smiths in 1984 Their focus on a guitar bass and drum sound fusing 1960s rock and post punk was a rejection of the synth pop sound predominant at the time Several Smiths singles reached the top 20 of the UK Singles Chart and all their studio albums reached the top five of the UK Albums Chart including the number one album Meat Is Murder 1985 They achieved mainstream success in Europe with The Queen Is Dead 1986 and Strangeways Here We Come 1987 which both entered the top 20 of the European Albums Chart 6 In early 1986 the band became a five piece with the addition of guitarist Craig Gannon though he departed by the end of that year returning the band to its original four piece line up Internal tensions led to the Smiths breakup in 1987 followed by public lawsuits over royalties The members each said that the band would never reunite and refused all offers to do so Rourke died in 2023 from complications of pancreatic cancer Contents 1 History 1 1 1982 Formation and early performances 1 2 1983 Rough Trade and Hand in Glove 1 3 1984 The Smiths 1 4 1985 Meat Is Murder 1 5 1986 The Queen Is Dead 1 6 1987 Strangeways Here We Come and breakup 1 7 1989 Royalties dispute 2 Solo careers 2 1 Reunion speculation 3 Musical style 4 Imagery 5 Legacy 5 1 Blossoms and Rick Astley 6 Members 6 1 Timeline 7 Discography 8 References 8 1 Footnotes 8 2 Sources 9 External linksHistory Edit1982 Formation and early performances Edit In May 1982 Johnny Marr and his friend Steve Pomfret went to the home of Steven Morrissey in Stretford to invite him to form a band 7 Marr and Morrissey had met at a Patti Smith gig at Manchester s Apollo Theatre on 31 August 1978 when Marr was 14 and Morrissey was 19 7 They bonded through their love of poetry and literature 8 A fan of the New York Dolls Marr had been impressed that Morrissey had authored a book on the band and was inspired to turn up on his doorstep following the example of Jerry Leiber who had formed his working partnership with Mike Stoller after turning up at Stoller s door 9 According to Morrissey We got on absolutely famously We were very similar in drive 10 The two found that they were fans of many of the same bands 11 When Marr looked through Morrissey s singles collection he found the Monochrome Set a band they both admired 12 Marr later said that without them the Smiths would not have existed 13 The next day Morrissey phoned Marr to confirm that he would be interested in forming a band with him 14 A few days later Morrissey and Marr held their first rehearsal in Marr s rented attic room in Bowdon Morrissey provided the lyrics for Don t Blow Your Own Horn the first song that they worked on however they decided against retaining the song with Marr commenting that neither of us liked it very much 14 The next song that they worked on was The Hand That Rocks the Cradle which again was based on lyrics produced by Morrissey Marr based the tempo on the Patti Smith song Kimberly and they recorded it on Marr s TEAC three track cassette recorder The third track that the duo worked on was Suffer Little Children 15 Alongside these original compositions Morrissey suggested that the band produce a cover of I Want a Boy for My Birthday a song by the 1960s American girl band the Cookies although he had never heard of the song before Marr agreed enjoying the subversive element of having a male vocalist sing it and the song was recorded on his TEAC machine 16 It s still really clear It was a sunny day about one o clock There was no advance phone call or anything I just knocked and he opened the door As soon as the door opened Pommy Pomfret took two very firm steps back Which is one of the things that got me to talk so fast it was just plain exuberance Marr on arriving at Morrissey s door 14 By late 1982 Morrissey had chosen the band name the Smiths 17 He said later that it was the most ordinary name and I thought it was time that the ordinary folk of the world showed their faces 18 Around the time of the band s formation Morrissey decided that he would be publicly known only by his surname 19 with Marr referring to him as Mozzer or Moz 20 In 1983 he forbade those around him from using the name Steven which he despised 20 After remaining with the band for several rehearsals Pomfret departed acrimoniously 21 He was replaced by the bass player Dale Hibbert who worked at Manchester s Decibel Studios where Marr had met him while recording Freak Party s demo 18 Through Hibbert the Smiths recorded their first demo at Decibel one night in August 1982 22 Aided by drummer Simon Wolstencroft whom Marr had worked with in Freak Party the band recorded both The Hand That Rocks the Cradle and Suffer Little Children 23 Wolstencroft was not interested in joining the band so following auditions Mike Joyce joined he later revealed that he was under the influence of magic mushrooms during his audition 24 Meanwhile Morrissey took the demo recording to Factory Records but Factory s Tony Wilson was not interested 25 In October 1982 the Smiths gave their first public performance as a support act for Blue Rondo a la Turk during a student music and fashion show An Evening of Pure Pleasure at Manchester s Ritz 26 During the performance they played both their own compositions and I Want a Boy for My Birthday 27 Morrissey had organised the gig s aesthetic the band came onstage to Klaus Nomi s version of Henry Purcell s The Cold Song playing through the venue s sound system before his friend James Maker stepped onstage to introduce the band 28 Maker remained onstage during the performance relating that I was given a pair of maracas an optional extra and carte blanche There were no instructions I think it was generally accepted I would improvise I was there to drink red wine make extraneous hand gestures and keep well within the tight chalked circle that Morrissey had drawn around me 29 Hibbert was allegedly unhappy with what he perceived as the band s gay aesthetic in turn Morrissey and Marr were unhappy with his bass playing so he was replaced by Marr s old schoolfriend Andy Rourke 30 Hibbert denies that he objected to the band being perceived as gay and said he was not sure why he was asked to leave 31 In December 1982 the Smiths recorded their second demo at the Drone Studios in Chorlton cum Hardy the tracks recorded were What Difference Does It Make Handsome Devil and Miserable Lie 32 This was used as their audition tape for the record company EMI who turned the band down 33 The band continued to practice this time at the upstairs of the Portland Street Crazy Face Clothing company a space secured by their new manager Joe Moss 34 By Christmas they had created four new songs These Things Take Time What Do You See in Him Jeane and A Matter of Opinion the last of which they soon scrapped 35 Their next gig was Manchester s Manhattan in late January 1983 and although Maker would again appear as a go go dancer this was the last time that he did so 36 In early February they performed their third gig at the Hacienda 37 1983 Rough Trade and Hand in Glove Edit Marr and Rourke visited London to hand a cassette of their recordings to Geoff Travis of the independent record label Rough Trade Records 38 Travis agreed to cut their song Hand in Glove as a single 39 For the cover Morrissey insisted on a homoerotic photograph by Jim French which he had found in Margaret Walters The Nude Male 39 The single was released in May 1983 40 and sold well for the next 18 months but did not chart in the UK Top 40 41 Among the audience at the Smiths second London concert at the University of London Union was John Walters the producer of John Peel s BBC Radio 1 show he invited the band to record a session for the programme Peel said You couldn t immediately tell what records they d been listening to That s fairly unusual very rare indeed It was that aspect of the Smiths that I found most impressive 41 Following this radio exposure the Smiths gained their first interviews in the music magazines NME and Sounds 41 Travis travelled to Manchester to meet the band at their Crazy Face rehearsal space and sign a record contract with Rough Trade 42 Morrissey and Marr signed it on behalf of the band and there was no discussion of how earnings would be divided 43 Travis brought in Troy Tate of the Teardrop Explodes and under his supervision the band recorded their first album at the Elephant Studios in Wapping East London 44 Rough Trade were unhappy with the album and Tate s production insisting the band rerecord it with a new producer John Porter 45 The singles This Charming Man and What Difference Does It Make reached numbers 25 and 12 on the UK Singles Chart 46 Aided by praise from the music press and a series of studio sessions for Peel and David Jensen at BBC Radio 1 the Smiths began to build a dedicated fanbase citation needed The Smiths generated controversy when Garry Bushell of The Sun tabloid alleged their B side Handsome Devil was an endorsement of paedophilia 47 The band denied this with Morrissey stating the song has nothing to do with children and certainly nothing to do with child molesting 48 The Smiths brought realism to their romance and tempered their angst with the lightest of touches The times were personified in their frontman rejecting all taints of rock n roll machismo he played up the social awkwardness of the misfit and the outsider his gently haunting vocals whooping suddenly upward into a falsetto clothed in outsize women s shirts sporting National Health specs or a huge Johnny Ray style hearing aid This charming young man was in the vernacular of the time the very antithesis of a rockist always knowingly closer to the gentle ironicist Alan Bennett or self lacerating diarist Kenneth Williams than a licentious Mick Jagger or a drugged out Jim Morrison Paul A Woods 2007 49 1984 The Smiths Edit In February 1984 the Smiths released their debut album The Smiths which reached number two on the UK Albums Chart 50 Reel Around the Fountain and The Hand That Rocks the Cradle met with controversy with some tabloid newspapers alleging the songs were suggestive of paedophilia a claim strongly denied by the group 51 In March 1984 the Smiths performed on Channel 4 music program The Tube 52 The album was followed the same year by the non album singles Heaven Knows I m Miserable Now and William It Was Really Nothing which featured How Soon Is Now on its B side Securing the band s first top ten placing Heaven Knows I m Miserable Now was also significant for marking the beginning of engineer and producer Stephen Street s long term working relationship with the band 53 More controversy followed when Suffer Little Children the B side to Heaven Knows I m Miserable Now touched on the theme of the Moors murders This caused an uproar after the grandfather of one of the murdered children heard the song on a pub jukebox and felt the band was trying to commercialise the murders After meeting with Morrissey he accepted that the song was a sincere exploration of the impact of the murders Morrissey subsequently established a friendship with Ann West the mother of victim Lesley Ann Downey who is mentioned by name in the song 54 The year ended with the release of the compilation album Hatful of Hollow This collected singles B sides and tracks recorded throughout the previous year for the Peel and Jensen radio shows 1985 Meat Is Murder Edit Early in 1985 the Smiths released their second studio album Meat Is Murder It was more strident and political than its predecessor including the pro vegetarian title track Morrissey forbade the rest of the group from being photographed eating meat the light hearted republicanism of Nowhere Fast and the anti corporal punishment The Headmaster Ritual and Barbarism Begins at Home The band had also grown more diverse musically with Marr adding rockabilly riffs to Rusholme Ruffians and Rourke playing a funk bass solo on Barbarism Begins at Home The album was preceded by the re release of the B side How Soon Is Now as a single and although that song was not on the original LP it has been added to subsequent releases Meat Is Murder was the band s only album barring compilations to reach number one in the UK charts 50 In 2003 it was ranked number 295 on Rolling Stone s list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time 55 Morrissey brought a political stance to many of his interviews courting further controversy Among his targets were the Thatcher government the British monarchy and the famine relief project Band Aid Morrissey famously quipped of the last One can have great concern for the people of Ethiopia but it s another thing to inflict daily torture on the people of England 56 torture being a reference to the music that resulted from the project The subsequent single only release Shakespeare s Sister reached number 26 on the UK Singles Chart although the only single taken from the album That Joke Isn t Funny Anymore was less successful barely making the top 50 57 In 1985 the Smiths completed lengthy tours of the UK and the US 58 1986 The Queen Is Dead Edit The Smiths third studio album The Queen Is Dead was released in June 1986 following its singles The Boy with the Thorn in His Side and Bigmouth Strikes Again Marr added ersatz strings with keyboards on several tracks such as There Is a Light That Never Goes Out and The Boy with the Thorn in His Side 59 The Queen Is Dead reached number two in the UK charts 50 A legal dispute with Rough Trade had delayed the album by almost seven months it had been completed in November 1985 and Marr was beginning to feel the stress of the band s exhausting touring and recording schedule He later told NME Worse for wear wasn t the half of it I was extremely ill By the time the tour actually finished it was all getting a little bit dangerous I was just drinking more than I could handle 60 Rourke was fired from the band in early 1986 due to his use of heroin He allegedly received notice of his dismissal via a Post it Note stuck to the windscreen of his car It read Andy you have left the Smiths Goodbye and good luck Morrissey 61 Morrissey denied this Rourke was replaced on bass by Craig Gannon formerly a member of Scottish new wave band Aztec Camera but was then reinstated two weeks later Gannon stayed in the band switching to rhythm guitar This five piece recorded the singles Panic and Ask the latter with Kirsty MacColl on backing vocals which reached numbers 11 and 14 respectively on the UK Singles Chart 57 and toured the UK An arrest on drug possession charges almost led to Rourke being replaced by Guy Pratt for the band s North American tour later that year Rourke s work visa came through just before departure While the shows were successful heavy drinking and drug use by crew and band members other than Morrissey took a toll on the group citation needed along with ineffective management and lingering disputes with Rough Trade whom the band was seriously considering leaving for EMI 62 and their American label Sire Records who Morrissey felt did not do enough to promote the Smiths 58 63 After a date in St Petersburg Florida he and Marr cancelled the remaining four shows including a grand finale at New York City s Radio City Music Hall After the following UK tour ended in October 1986 Gannon left the band During his time with the band Gannon played on six studio tracks Panic and Ask their B sides Half a Person and London the last two of which were released as B sides the following year 64 On 12 December 1986 the band performed their last concert an anti apartheid benefit at Brixton Academy London 65 As they had been severed from the contract with Rough Trade records they sought a new deal with a major label Marr told NME in early 1987 Every single label came to see us It was small talk bribes the whole number I really enjoyed it The band signed with EMI which drew criticism from their fanbase and elements of the music press 60 1987 Strangeways Here We Come and breakup Edit In early 1987 Shoplifters of the World Unite reached number 12 on the UK Singles Chart 57 It was followed by a second compilation album The World Won t Listen The title was Morrissey s comment on his frustration with the band s lack of mainstream recognition it reached number two in the charts 50 This was followed by the single Sheila Take a Bow the band s second and last during the band s lifetime UK top 10 hit 57 Another compilation album Louder Than Bombs was released in the US in March 1987 with a UK release following two months later The Smiths fourth studio album Strangeways Here We Come opened with a piano introduction as Marr wanted to get away from the Smiths sound 66 Marr also played keyboards for the other tracks 66 The first song A Rush and a Push and the Land Is Ours features no guitar 67 Despite their continued success tensions emerged within the band Marr was exhausted and took a break in June 1987 which he felt was negatively perceived by his bandmates In July he left the group because he erroneously believed an NME article titled Smiths to Split was planted by Morrissey 68 The article written by Danny Kelly alleged that Morrissey disliked Marr working with other musicians and that Marr and Morrissey s personal relationship had reached a breaking point Marr contacted NME to explain that he had not left the band due to personal tensions but because he wanted wider musical scope 69 Former Easterhouse guitarist Ivor Perry was brought in to replace Marr 70 The band recorded some material with him which was never completed including an early version of Bengali in Platforms later released on Morrissey s debut solo album Viva Hate 1988 71 Perry was uncomfortable with the situation saying it was like they wanted another Johnny Marr according to Perry the sessions ended with Morrissey running out of the studio 72 By the time Strangeways Here We Come was released in September the Smiths had split The breakdown has been primarily attributed to Morrissey s irritation with Marr s work with other artists and Marr s frustration with Morrissey s musical inflexibility Marr particularly hated Morrissey s obsession with covering 1960s pop artists such as Twinkle and Cilla Black saying in 1992 That was the last straw really I didn t form a group to perform Cilla Black songs 73 In a 1989 interview Morrissey cited the lack of a managerial figure and business problems as reasons for the split 74 Strangeways Here We Come reached number two in the UK in October 1987 50 and was the Smiths most successful album in the US reaching number 55 on the Billboard 200 75 Morrissey and Marr name it as their favourite Smiths album 76 Two further singles from Strangeways were released with live session and demo tracks as B sides The following year the live album Rank recorded in 1986 when Craig Gannon was still in the band peaked at number 2 in the UK and entered in the European 100 Albums chart at number 9 77 1989 Royalties dispute Edit Morrissey and Marr each took 40 of the Smiths recording and performance royalties allowing 10 per cent each to Joyce and Rourke As Joyce s barrister later argued in court Joyce and Rourke were treated as session musicians as readily replaceable as the parts in a lawnmower 78 In March 1989 Joyce and Rourke started legal proceedings against Morrissey and Marr They argued that they were equal partners in the Smiths and were each entitled to a 25 per cent share of the band s profits on all activities other than songwriting and publishing Rourke who was in debt settled quickly for a lump sum of 83 000 equivalent to 219 682 in 2021 and 10 per cent of royalties renouncing all further claims 79 Joyce continued with the action which reached the High Court of Justice Chancery Division in December 1996 Morrissey and Marr had accepted the previous year that Joyce and Rourke were partners but whether Joyce was entitled to a quarter of profits arising out of the activities other than songwriting or publishing of the Smiths remained contentious 80 Joyce s barrister Nigel Davis said that Joyce did not realise he was receiving only 10 of the profits until after the band split 81 Morrissey and Marr who were represented separately at the trial 80 insisted that the royalty split had been explained to Rourke and Joyce though they were no longer sure when Additionally this agreement was only discussed verbally and it was never legally written on paper something Marr came to regret He said in 2004 that although he had no regrets in breaking up the Smiths he wished the band had signed legal documents from the word go to avoid the later financial disagreements 82 As Marr s counsel Robert Englehart said Some 13 years on it is extremely difficult to pinpoint the moment when the 40 40 10 10 profit split came into being But Morrissey and Marr acted throughout on the basis that they would be getting 40 percent each of the net profits from the Smiths earnings 83 After a seven day hearing Judge Weeks found in favour of Joyce ordering that he receive around 1 million in back royalties and 25 per cent henceforth The judge also gave character assessments Joyce and Rourke who gave evidence in Joyce s support impressed him as straightforward and honest whereas Morrissey appeared devious truculent and unreliable where his own interests were at stake and Marr was willing to embroider his evidence to a point where he became less credible 80 The judge also ranked the band members by IQ with Marr probably the more intelligent of the four while Rourke and Joyce were unintellectual 84 Morrissey said in an interview eight months later The court case was a potted history of the life of the Smiths Mike talking constantly and saying nothing Andy unable to remember his own name Johnny trying to please everyone and consequently pleasing no one And Morrissey under the scorching spotlight in the dock being drilled How dare you be successful How dare you move on To me the Smiths were a beautiful thing and Johnny left it and Mike has destroyed it 85 Asked some time before the trial whether he thought Rourke and Joyce had been short changed Morrissey responded They were lucky If they d had another singer they d never have got further than Salford shopping centre 86 87 88 Morrissey s counsel Ian Mill conceded that Morrissey s attitude betrayed a degree of arrogance 89 Morrissey appealed against the verdict the appeal was heard by the Court of Appeal Civil Division in November 1998 and dismissed 80 Inspired by Joyce s success Rourke sought legal advice on his own options 90 He was declared bankrupt in 1999 91 In November 2005 Mike Joyce told Marc Riley on BBC Radio 6 Music that financial hardship had reduced him to selling rare Smiths recordings on eBay By way of illustration Riley played part of an unfinished instrumental known as the Click Track or Cowbell Track 92 Morrissey responded with a statement three days later revealing that Joyce had received 215 000 each from Marr and Morrissey in 1997 along with Marr s final back payment of 260 000 in 2001 Morrissey failed to make his final payment because he said he was overseas in 2001 and did not receive the paperwork Joyce obtained a default judgement against Morrissey revised his outstanding claim to 688 000 and secured orders garnishing much of his income This was a source of inconvenience and grievance to Morrissey who estimated that Joyce had cost him at least 1 515 000 in recovered royalties and legal fees up to 30 November 2005 93 Solo careers Edit Morrissey performing at SXSW in Austin Texas in 2006Following the group s split Morrissey began work on a solo recording collaborating with producer Stephen Street and fellow Mancunian Vini Reilly guitarist for the Durutti Column The resulting album Viva Hate a reference to the end of the Smiths was released in March 1988 reaching number one in the UK charts In the following years he invited several singers for backing vocals on several songs such as Suggs of Madness on Piccadilly Palare and Chrissie Hynde of the Pretenders on My Love Life He recorded a duet with Siouxsie Sioux of Siouxsie and the Banshees Interlude which was released under the banner of both artists He also collaborated with arranger Ennio Morricone on Dear God Please Help Me At the beginning of the 90s he enjoyed a new popularity in North America following his first tour as Morrissey Morrissey continues to perform and record as a solo artist and had released 13 studio albums as of 2020 Marr returned in 1989 with New Order s Bernard Sumner and Pet Shop Boys Neil Tennant in the supergroup Electronic Electronic released three albums over the next decade Marr was also a member of the The recording two albums with them between 1989 and 1993 He has worked as a session musician and writing collaborator with artists including the Pretenders Bryan Ferry Pet Shop Boys Billy Bragg Black Grape Talking Heads Crowded House and Beck Johnny Marr performing as part of the group the Cribs at the 9 30 Club in Washington DC in 2010In 2000 he started another band Johnny Marr the Healers which released only one album Boomslang 2003 to moderate success then split up shortly afterwards He later worked as a guest musician on the Oasis album Heathen Chemistry 2002 In 2006 he began work with Modest Mouse s Isaac Brock on songs that eventually featured on the band s 2007 release We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank Modest Mouse subsequently announced that Marr was a fully fledged member and the reformed line up toured extensively in 2006 07 In January 2008 it was reported that Marr had taken part in a week long songwriting session at Moolah Rouge recording studio in Stockport with Wakefield indie group the Cribs 51 Marr s association with the band lasted three years and included an appearance on its fourth album Ignore the Ignorant 2009 His departure was announced in April 2011 94 He recorded three solo albums The Messenger 2013 Playland 2014 and Call the Comet 2018 In addition to his activities as a musician and songwriter Marr produced Marion s second album The Program 1998 and Haven s debut album Between the Senses 2002 95 96 Andy Rourke and Mike Joyce continued to work together They toured with Sinead O Connor in the first half of 1988 Rourke also appeared on her 1990 album I Do Not Want What I Haven t Got Still in 1988 they were recruited with Craig Gannon to the Adult Net but left the band soon afterwards In 1988 and 1989 they recorded singles with Morrissey In 1998 they toured and recorded with Aziz Ibrahim the Stone Roses In 2001 they formed Specter with Jason Specter and others The band played in the United Kingdom and the United States but did not prosper 97 In the same year they recorded demos with Paul Arthurs Oasis Aziz Ibrahim and Rowetta Idah Happy Mondays under the name Moondog One but the project went no further Towards the end of 2001 they played together in the veteran Manchester band Jeep 98 In 2005 they played with Vinny Peculiar recording the single Two Fat Lovers Joyce also appeared on the 2006 album The Fall and Rise of Vinny Peculiar 99 In 2007 they released the documentary DVD Inside the Smiths a surprisingly affectionate memoir of their time with the band notable for the absence of Marr Morrissey and their music Joyce recorded with Suede 1990 toured and recorded with Buzzcocks 1990 91 toured with Julian Cope 1992 toured with John Lydon and Public Image Ltd 1992 recorded with P P Arnold 1995 toured and recorded with Pete Wylie 1996 98 toured with Vinny Peculiar and Paul Arthurs 2007 and toured with Autokat 2008 09 100 He presented the Alternative Therapy radio show on Revolution 96 2 FM until the station changed format in 2008 later reviving it on Manchester Radio Online and Tin Can Media 101 He hosts The Coalition Chart Show on East Village Radio which streams from New York 102 Rourke played and recorded with the Pretenders featuring on Last of the Independents 1994 Badly Drawn Boy with whom he played for two years Proud Mary featuring on Love and Light 2004 and Ian Brown featuring on The World Is Yours 2007 In 2007 he formed Freebass with fellow bassists Peter Hook New Order and Joy Division and Mani the Stone Roses and Primal Scream 103 Rourke co founded the Manchester v Cancer concert series later known as Versus Cancer to raise money for cancer research citation needed He concentrated on his radio career beginning with a Saturday evening show on XFM Manchester He was a regular on East Village Radio where his colleagues include Joyce 104 Rourke relocated to New York in early 2009 105 There he formed Jetlag a DJ and audio production outfit with Ole Koretsky 106 In April 2014 the Cranberries vocalist Dolores O Riordan joined the group and they changed their name to D A R K 107 Reunion speculation Edit Marr and Morrissey have repeatedly said that they will not reunite the band In 2006 Morrissey declared I would rather eat my own testicles than reform the Smiths and that s saying something for a vegetarian 108 When asked why in another interview the same year he responded I feel as if I ve worked very hard since the demise of the Smiths and the others haven t so why hand them attention that they haven t earned We are not friends we don t see each other Why on earth would we be on a stage together 109 In a February 2009 interview on BBC Radio 2 he said People always ask me about reunions and I can t imagine why the past seems like a distant place and I m pleased with that 110 In 2002 Joyce said he was not interested in reforming as he felt the Smiths had run its course 111 In November 2004 VH1 screened a Backstage Pass Special episode of Bands Reunited showing host Aamer Haleem trying and failing to corner Morrissey before a show at the Apollo Theater 112 In March 2006 Morrissey said the Smiths had declined a 5 million offer to perform at the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival saying Money doesn t come into it It was a fantastic journey And then it ended I didn t feel we should have ended I wanted to continue Marr wanted to end it And that was that 113 In August 2007 it was widely reported that Morrissey had that summer declined an offer of 75 million nearly 40 million at the time from a consortium of promoters to reunite with Marr for a fifty date world tour under the Smiths name in 2008 and 2009 NME gave Morrissey as its source for the story 114 Rolling Stone cited his publicist 115 The offer was also reported at true to you net an unofficial fan site tacitly supported by Morrissey 116 It was later described as a hoax although it is unclear who was hoaxing whom 117 In October Marr said on BBC Radio 5 Live Stranger things have happened so you know who knows It s no biggie Maybe we will in 10 or 15 years time when we all need to for whatever reasons but right now Morrissey is doing his thing and I m doing mine 118 In 2008 Marr resumed contact with Morrissey and Rourke while remastering the band s catalogue 84 That September Morrissey and Marr met in Manchester and discussed the possibility of reforming the band 84 The two kept in contact over the next four days and decided to exclude Joyce from any prospective reunion and to wait until after Marr completed his commitments to the Cribs 84 Communication between the two abruptly ended while Marr was touring in Mexico with the Cribs and the topic of a reunion was never brought up again 84 Marr said that he did not hear from Morrissey again until a brief email correspondence in December 2010 84 In June 2009 Marr told an interviewer on London s XFM I think we were offered 50 million dollars for three possibly five shows He said that the chances of a reunion were nothing to do with money and that the reasons were really abstract 119 In January 2006 Marr and the Healers played at Rourke s Manchester v Cancer benefit concert where Marr performed How Soon Is Now with Rourke 120 Marr and Rourke also performed How Soon Is Now at the Lollapallooza Brazil festival in 2014 121 Rourke died of pancreatic cancer on 19 May 2023 aged 59 103 Musical style EditMorrissey and Johnny Marr dictated the musical direction of the Smiths Marr said in 1990 that it was a 50 50 thing between Morrissey and me We were completely in sync about which way we should go for each record 122 The Smiths non rhythm and blues whiter than white fusion of 1960s rock and post punk was a repudiation of contemporary dance pop 5 and the band purposely rejected synthesisers and dance music 68 However from their second album Meat Is Murder Marr embellished their songs with keyboards 67 Marr s jangly guitar playing was influenced by Roger McGuinn of the Byrds Neil Young s work with Crazy Horse George Harrison with the Beatles James Honeyman Scott of the Pretenders and Bert Jansch of Pentangle 123 Marr often used a capo to tune his guitar up a full step to F sharp to accommodate Morrissey s vocal range and also used open tunings Citing producer Phil Spector as an influence Marr said I like the idea of records even those with plenty of space that sound symphonic I like the idea of all the players merging into one atmosphere 122 Marr s other favourite guitarists are James Williamson of the Stooges Rory Gallagher Pete Townshend of the Who Jimi Hendrix Marc Bolan of T Rex Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones and John McGeoch of Magazine and Siouxsie and the Banshees 124 In a 2007 interview for the BBC Marr reported that with the Smiths his goal was to pare down his style and avoid rock guitar cliches 125 Marr forbade himself from using power chords distortion lengthy solos or big rock chord changes instead relying on sophisticated arpeggios to create his signature chiming guitar work for the band Although occasionally Marr would disobey his own rules such as his use of an overdrive pedal in London citation needed 126 Morrissey s role was to create vocal melodies and lyrics 127 Morrissey s songwriting was influenced by punk rock and post punk bands such as New York Dolls the Cramps the Specials and the Cult along with 1960s girl groups and singers such as Dusty Springfield Sandie Shaw Marianne Faithfull and Timi Yuro Morrissey s lyrics while superficially depressing were often full of mordant humour John Peel remarked that the Smiths were one of the few bands capable of making him laugh out loud Influenced by his childhood interest in the social realism of 1960s kitchen sink television plays Morrissey wrote about ordinary people and their experiences with despair rejection and death While songs such as Still Ill sealed his role as spokesman for disaffected youth Morrissey s manic depressive rants and his woe is me posture inspired some hostile critics to dismiss the Smiths as miserabilists 5 Julian Stringer characterised the Smiths as one of Britain s most overtly political groups 128 while in his study of their work Andrew Warnes termed them the most anti capitalist of bands 129 Imagery EditThe group s cover artwork had a distinctive visual style and often featured images of film and pop stars usually in duotone Design was by Morrissey and Rough Trade art coordinator Jo Slee The covers of singles rarely featured any text other than the band name and the band itself did not appear on the cover of any UK release Morrissey did however appear on an alternative cover for What Difference Does It Make mimicking the pose of the original subject actor Terence Stamp after the latter objected to his picture being used The choice of cover subjects reflected Morrissey s interest in film stars Stamp Alain Delon Jean Marais Warhol protege Joe Dallesandro James Dean figures from sixties British popular culture Viv Nicholson Pat Phoenix Yootha Joyce Shelagh Delaney and anonymous images from old films and magazines 130 The Smiths dressed mainly in ordinary clothes jeans and plain shirts in keeping with the back to basics guitar and drums style of the music This contrasted with the exotic high fashion image cultivated by New Romantic pop groups such as Spandau Ballet and Duran Duran and highlighted in magazines such as The Face and i D In 1986 when the Smiths performed on the British music programme The Old Grey Whistle Test Morrissey wore a fake hearing aid to support a hearing impaired fan who was ashamed of using one 131 and also frequently wore thick rimmed National Health Service style glasses Morrissey also would often wave gladioli flowers onstage As frontman of the Smiths Morrissey subverted many of the norms that were associated with pop and rock music 132 The band s aesthetic simplicity was a reaction to the excess personified by the New Romantics 133 and while Morrissey adopted an androgynous appearance like the New Romantics or earlier glam rockers his was far more subtle and understated 134 According to one commentator he was bookish he wore NHS spectacles and a hearing aid on stage he was celibate Worst of all he was sincere with his music being so intoxicatingly melancholic so dangerously thoughtful so seductively funny that it lured its listeners into a relationship with him and his music instead of the world 135 Legacy EditThe Smiths have been widely influential Ian Youngs of BBC News described them as the band that inspired deeper devotion than any British group since the Beatles 136 Marr s guitar playing was a huge building block for more Manchester legends that followed the Smiths including the Stone Roses whose guitarist John Squire said Marr was an influence 137 Oasis guitarist Noel Gallagher also cites the Smiths as an influence especially Marr Gallagher said that when the Jam split the Smiths started and I totally went for them 138 Singer Davey Havok of the band AFI cites the Smiths as an influence 139 Q magazine s Simon Goddard argued in 2007 that the Smiths were the one truly vital voice of the 80s and the most influential British guitar group of the decade He continued As the first indie outsiders to achieve mainstream success on their own terms their second album proper 1985 s Meat Is Murder made Number 1 in the UK they elevated rock s standard four piece formula to new heights of magic and poetry Their legacy can be traced down through the Stone Roses Oasis and the Libertines to today s crop of artful young guitar bands 140 In Uncut Simon Reynolds wrote Once upon a time a band from the North came with a sound so fresh and vigorous it took the nation by storm The sound was rock but crucially it was pop too concise punchy melodic shiny without being plastic The singer was a true original delivering a blend of sensitivity and strength defiance and tenderness via a regionally inflected voice The young man s lips spilled forth words that were realistic without being dour full of sly humour and beautifully observed detail Most recognised their debut album as a landmark an instant classic 141 The Britpop movement pre empted by the Stone Roses and spearheaded by groups like Oasis Suede and Blur drew heavily from Morrissey s portrayal of and nostalgia for a bleak urban England of the past 142 Blur formed as a result of seeing the Smiths on The South Bank Show in 1987 Yet even while leading bands from the Britpop movement were influenced by the Smiths they were at odds with the basic anti establishment philosophies of Morrissey and the Smiths since Britpop was an entirely commercial construct 143 Mark Simpson suggested that the whole point of Britpop was to airbrush Morrissey out of the picture Morrissey had to become an unperson so that the Nineties and its centrally planned and coordinated pop economy could happen 144 Rolling Stone included four Smiths albums on its 2012 list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time 55 and included William It Was Really Nothing and How Soon Is Now on its 2004 list of the 500 Greatest Songs of All Time 145 Morrissey is included in its 2010 list of the greatest singers 146 In 2014 and 2015 the Smiths were nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 147 148 Blossoms and Rick Astley Edit In September 2021 the band Blossoms and the singer Rick Astley performed a pair of concerts of Smiths covers 149 The Guardian gave one performance four out of five writing that the ultimate Smiths karaoke shouldn t work but it does 150 Blossoms and Astley performed again at the 2023 Glastonbury Festival The Guardian gave the performance five out of five suggesting that it offered fans a way to enjoy the Smiths without the moral queasiness of Morrissey who had become a controversial figure in the preceding years 151 Following their first performances Morrissey thanked Blossoms and Astley on his website writing Anything that generates interest in that tired old Smiths warhorse is testimony to the wallop it packed 152 Marr described the performances as funny and horrible at the same time and said he had not been informed they were happening He said later he had dealt with it 153 In response to Marr s comments Astley said It s his work and his life but it doesn t seem like the Smiths are ever getting back together It s a difficult one but I did it from a place of absolute joy and love for those songs 152 Members EditPrincipal members Morrissey lead vocals percussion 1982 1987 Johnny Marr guitars piano keyboards harmonica 1982 1987 Andy Rourke bass 1982 1986 1986 1987 died 2023 Mike Joyce drums percussion 1982 1987 Other members Steven Pomfret guitars 1982 Dale Hibbert bass 1982 James Maker dancing maracas backing vocals 1982 1983 Craig Gannon bass 1986 guitars 1986 Ivor Perry guitars 1987 Session and touring members Simon Wolstencroft drums 1982 Guy Pratt bass 1986 Timeline EditDiscography EditMain articles The Smiths discography and List of songs recorded by the Smiths The Smiths 1984 Meat Is Murder 1985 The Queen Is Dead 1986 Strangeways Here We Come 1987 References EditFootnotes Edit Monroe Jazz The Smiths Bassist Andy Rourke Dies at 59 Pitchfork Retrieved 23 May 2023 Erlewine Stephen Thomas The Smiths Biography amp History AllMusic Archived from the original on 15 December 2018 Retrieved 25 February 2020 Bannister Matthew 2013 White Boys White Noise Masculinities and 1980s Indie Guitar Rock Ashgate Publishing Ltd pp 71 72 87 124 125 ISBN 978 1 4094 9374 7 Payne Chris 20 February 2014 The Smiths at 30 Classic Track By Track Review Billboard Archived from the original on 23 November 2020 Retrieved 25 February 2020 a b c Simon C W Reynolds The Smiths Archived 4 May 2015 at the Wayback Machine Britannica Online Retrieved 8 January 2012 European Hot 100 Albums Chart PDF Music amp Media 26 July 1986 p 26 Archived PDF from the original on 10 January 2021 Retrieved 14 October 2019 European Hot 100 Albums Chart PDF Music amp Media 31 October 1987 p 26 Archived PDF from the original on 10 January 2021 Retrieved 14 October 2019 a b Simon Goddard 1 February 2013 Songs That Saved Your Life Titan Books p 16 ISBN 9781781162590 Archived from the original on 10 January 2021 Retrieved 27 September 2020 Bret 2004 p 32 Goddard 2006 pp 16 17 Bret 2004 p 32 Goddard 2006 p 16 Desert Island Discs with Morrissey Desert Island Discs 29 November 2009 BBC Radio 4 Archived from the original on 3 April 2019 Retrieved 25 December 2019 Goddard 2016 p 17 sfn error no target CITEREFGoddard2016 help Robb John 9 January 2009 The Monochrome Set Remembering the band that history forgot The Guardian ISSN 0261 3077 Retrieved 23 April 2023 The Monochrome Set CCCB Retrieved 23 April 2023 a b c Goddard 2006 p 17 Goddard 2006 p 18 Goddard 2006 p 22 Bret 2004 p 34 Goddard 2006 p 20 a b Goddard 2006 p 20 Bret 2004 p 34 Simpson 2004 p 42 a b Goddard 2006 p 21 Goddard 2006 p 19 Goddard 2006 p 23 Goddard 2003 pp 23 24 sfn error no target CITEREFGoddard2003 help Goddard 2006 pp 25 26 Goddard 2006 pp 26 27 Bret 2004 pp 34 35 Goddard 2006 p 27 Goddard 2006 p 28 Goddard 2006 pp 27 29 Goddard 2006 pp 28 29 Bret 2004 p 36 Goddard 2006 pp 27 30 Hibbert D 2015 Boy Interrupted Memoir of a former Smith Pomona ISBN 978 1 904590 30 9 Goddard 2006 pp 30 31 Goddard 2006 p 31 Goddard 2006 p 32 Goddard 2006 pp 32 33 Goddard 2006 p 33 Goddard 2006 p 34 Marr 2016 pp 275 276 sfn error no target CITEREFMarr2016 help 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September 1988 p 26 Archived PDF from the original on 10 January 2021 Retrieved 14 October 2019 The Daily Telegraph Thursday 12 December 1996 A transcript of the article Archived 20 November 2012 at the Wayback Machine is archived at morrissey solo com Retrieved 8 January 2012 For the settlement with Rourke see Morrissey May Face New Claim for 1m Manchester Evening News Thursday 12 December 1996 A transcript of the article Archived 20 November 2012 at the Wayback Machine is archived at morrissey solo com Retrieved 8 January 2012 For the history of the dispute see Joyce vs Morrissey and Others Archived 23 September 2015 at the Wayback Machine England and Wales Court of Appeal Civil Division Decisions 6 November 1998 Retrieved 8 January 2012 See also Brian Southall Pop Goes to Court Rock n Pop s Greatest Court Battles London Omnibus 2008 rev edn 2009 ch 16 The Smiths Seeking Satisfaction Over a Fair Share of the Profits a b c d Joyce vs Morrissey and Others 1998 Richard Duce Former Smith Lets Court Know Why He s Miserable Now The Times London Tuesday 3 December 1996 A transcript of the article Archived 20 June 2012 at the Wayback Machine is archived at Cemetry Gates Retrieved 8 January 2012 Sheppard David 2022 We Changed People s Lives MOJO the Collectors Series The Smiths Hand in Glove 1982 1987 105 Smiths Cash Split Never Equal Manchester Evening News Tuesday 10 December 1996 A transcript of the article Archived 20 June 2012 at the Wayback Machine is archived at Cemetry Gates Retrieved 8 January 2012 a b c d e f Hattenstone Simon 29 October 2016 Johnny Marr The conversation about re forming the Smiths came out of the blue The Guardian Archived from the original on 30 October 2016 Retrieved 29 October 2016 Jennifer Nine The Importance of Being Morrissey Melody Maker 9 August 1997 The full text Archived 20 January 2012 at the Wayback Machine of the interview is reproduced at The Motor Cycle Au Pair Boy Retrieved 8 January 2012 The Daily Star Thursday 12 December 1996 A 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May 2001 Retrieved 7 January 2012 Originally reported in the Manchester Evening News 14 December 2001 See the discussion Archived 20 November 2012 at the Wayback Machine at morrissey solo com Retrieved 10 January 2012 About Vinny Peculiar Archived 21 July 2012 at the Wayback Machine and Two Fat Lovers Archived 19 October 2013 at the Wayback Machine at Vinny Peculiar Both retrieved 10 January 2012 History Archived 29 December 2011 at the Wayback Machine mikejoyce com Retrieved 10 January 2012 Joyce says he played with PiL in 1993 but it was the That What Is Not tour of 1992 See the Fodderstomp Archived 26 January 2012 at the Wayback Machine database Retrieved 10 January 2012 The Revolution how not to relaunch a radio station Archived 18 April 2016 at the Wayback Machine The Guardian Organgrinder Blog 3 September 2008 Retrieved 10 January 2012 No Revolution for Joyce as he joins Manchester Radio Online Archived 7 March 2012 at the Wayback Machine How Do 18 February 2009 Retrieved 10 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