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Thaletas

Thaletas or Thales of Crete[1] (Greek: Θαλῆς or Θαλήτας) was an early Greek musician and lyric poet.

Biography

Historicity

The position of Thaletas is one of the most interesting, and at the same time most difficult points, in that most interesting and difficult subject, the early history of Greek music and poetry. The most certain fact known of him is that he introduced from Crete into Sparta certain principles or elements of music and rhythm, which did not exist in Terpander's system, and thereby founded the second of the musical schools which flourished at Sparta.[2] He was a native of Crete, and, according to the best writers, of the city of Gortyna.[3]

In Sparta

In compliance, according to tradition, with an invitation which the Spartans sent to him in obedience to an oracle, he removed to Sparta, where, by the sacred character of his paeans, and the humanizing influence of his music, he appeased the wrath of Apollo, who had visited the city with a plague, and composed the factions of the citizens, who were at enmity with each other.[4] At Sparta he became the head of a new school (katastasis) of music, which appears never afterwards to have been supplanted, and the influence of which was maintained also by Xenodamus of Cythera, Xenocritus of Locris, Polymnestus of Colophon, and Sacadas of Argos.[5]

How uncertain were the traditions followed by the generality of the ancient writers respecting the date of Thaletas is manifest from the statements of Suidas, that he lived before the time of Homer, of Demetrius Magnes,[6] that he was "very ancient, about the time of Hesiod and Homer and Lycurgus," and of the many other writers, who make him contemporary with Lycurgus, and even an elder contemporary. In nearly all the accounts of the removal of Thaletas to Sparta, he is said to have gone thither at the invitation of Lycurgus, who used his influence to prepare the minds of the people for his own laws; while some even speak of him as if he were a legislator, from whom Lycurgus derived some of his laws.[7] These accounts, which Aristotle condemns as anachronisms, can easily be explained.

The influence of music upon character and manners was in the opinion of the ancients so great, that it was quite natural to speak of Terpander and Thaletas as fellow-workers with the great legislator of the Spartans informing the character of the people. Moreover, in the case of Thaletas, the supposed connection with Lycurgus would assume a more probable appearance on account of his coming from Crete, from whence also Lycurgus was supposed to have derived so many of his institutions; and this is, in fact, the specific form which the tradition assumed,[8][9] namely, that Lycurgus, arriving at Crete in the course of his travels, there met with Thaletas, who was one of the men renowned in the island for wisdom and political abilities and who, while professing to be a lyric poet, used his art as a pretext, but in fact devoted himself to political science in the same way as the ablest of legislators. Add to this the great probability that later writers mistook the sense of the word nomos in the ancient accounts of Thaletas; and his association with Lycurgus is explained. It is not worth while to discuss the statement of Jerome (Chron. s. a. 1266, b. c. 750), who says that Thales of Miletus (probably meaning Thales of Crete, for the philosopher's age is well known) lived in the reign of Romulus.

The strictly historical evidence respecting the date of Thaletas is contained in three testimonies. First, the statement of Glaucus, one of the highest authorities on the subject, that he was later than Archilochus.[10] Secondly, the fact recorded by Pausanias,[11] that Polymnestus composed verses in his praise for the Lacedaemonians, whence it is probable that he was an elder contemporary of Polymnestus, and therefore older than Alcman, by whom Polymnestus was mentioned.[12] Thirdly, in his account of the second school or system (katastasis) of music at Sparta, Plutarch[13] tells us that the first system was established by Terpander; but of the second the following had the best claim to be considered as the leaders, Thaletas, Xenodamus, Xenocritus, Polymnestus, and Sacadas; and that to them was ascribed the origin of the Gymnopaedias in Lacedaemon, of the Apodeixeis in Arcadia, and of the Endymatia in Argos. This important testimony is very probably derived from the work of Glaucus. Lastly, Plutarch[14] mentions a vague tradition, which is on the face of it improbable, and which is quite unworthy to be placed by the side of the other three, that Thaletas derived the rhythm called Maron and the Cretic rhythm from the music of the Phrygian flute-player Olympus. The context shows that Plutarch here deserts his guide, Glaucus, and sets up against him the traditions of other writers, we know not whom.

From these testimonies we obtain the result that Thaletas was younger than Archilochus and Terpander, but older than Polymnestus and Alcman, that he was the first of the poets of the second Spartan school of music, by whose influence the great Dorian festivals which have been mentioned were either established, or, what is the more probable meaning, were systematically arranged in respect of the choruses which were performed at them.[15]

Legacy

The improvement effected in music by Thaletas appears to have consisted in the introduction into Sparta of that species of music and poetry which was associated with the religious rites of his native country; in which the calm and solemn worship of Apollo prevailed side by side with the more animated songs and dances of the Curetes, which resembled the Phrygian worship of the Magna Mater.[16] His chief compositions were paeans and hyporchemes, which belonged respectively to these two kinds of worship. In connection with the paean he introduced the rhythm of the Cretic foot, with its resolutions in the paeons; and the Pyrrhic dance, with its several variations of rhythm, is also ascribed to him. He seems to have used both the lyre and the flute.[17]

Plutarch and other writers speak of him as a lyric poet, and Suidas mentions, as his works, mele kai poiemata tina mythica, and it is pretty certain that the musical compositions of his age and school were often combined with suitable original poems, though sometimes, as we are expressly told of many of the names of Terpander, they were adapted to the verses of Homer. Be this as it may, we have now no remains of the poetry of Thaletas.

Literature

  • Zaykov, Andrey. Thaletas from Creta in Sparta. (in Russian + English Summary.) Published in: Issedon (ΙΣΣΗΔΟΝ): Almanac of Ancient History and Culture. Ekaterinburg, 2002. Vol. I.

References

  1. ^ The two forms of the name are mere varieties of the same word: but Θαλήτας seems to be the more genuine ancient form; for it not only has the authority of Aristotle, Strabo, and Plutarch, but it is also used by Pausanias (i. 14. § 4) in quoting the verses composed in honour of the musician by his con temporary Polymnestus. Nevertheless, it is more convenient to follow the prevailing custom among modern writers, and call him Thaletas.
  2. ^ (Plut. de Mus. 9, p. 1135, b.)
  3. ^ (Polymnes tus, ap. Paus. I. c. ; Plut. de Mus. I. c.) Suidas has preserved other traditions, which assigned him to Cnossus or to Elyrus. comp. Meursius, Cret. i. 9 ; K'uster, ad loe.; Miiller, Hist. Lit. of Greece, vol. i. p. 159.)
  4. ^ (Paus. I. c.; Pint. Lycurg. 4 ; Ephorus, ap. Strab. x. pp. 480, 482 ; Sext. Empir. adv. ffitet. ii. p. 292, Fabric.; Aelian. V. H. xii. 50.)
  5. ^ (Plut. de Mus. I. c.)
  6. ^ (ap, Diog. Lae'rt. i. 38)
  7. ^ (Sext. Empir. I. c.; Arist. Pol. ii. 9. § 5, ii. 12.)
  8. ^ Ephor. ap. Strab. x. p. 482
  9. ^ Plut. Lycurg. 4
  10. ^ (Plut. de Mus. 10, p. 1134, d. e.)
  11. ^ (i. 14. § 4)
  12. ^ (Plut. de Mus. 5, p. 1133, a.)
  13. ^ (de Mus. 9, p. 1134, c.)
  14. ^ (de Mus. 10, p. 1134, e.)
  15. ^ These conditions would all be satisfied by supposing that Thaletas began to flourish early in the seventh century BC, provided that we accept the argument for an earlier date of Terpander than that usually assigned to Thaletas, is altogether inadmissible; for, if we reject Plutarch's account of the two musical schools at Sparta, the first founded by Terpander, and the second by Thaletas, the whole matter is thrown into hopeless confusion. Such a mistake, made by so eminent chronologer, through following implicitly Eusebius and the Parian Chronicle, is an excellent example of the danger of trusting to the positive statements of the chronographers in opposition to a connected chain of inference from more detailed testimonies. On the other hand, Miiller, while pointing out Clinton's error, appears to us to place Thaletas much too low, in consequence of accepting the tradition recorded by Plutarch respecting Olympus, whom also he places later than Terpander(Hist. Lit. vol. i. pp. 158, 159. The fact is that we have no sufficient data for the time of Olympus ; and even if we had, the tradition recorded by Plutarch is much too doubtful to be set up against the evidence derived from the relations of Thaletas to Archilochus and Alcman. When Muller says that Clinton " does not allow sufficient weight to the far more artificial character of the music and rhythms of Thaletas " (i. e. than those of Terpander), he seems to imply that a long time must necessarily have intervened between the two. Not only is there no ground for this idea, but it is opposed to analogy. There is no ground for it; for it is clear from all accounts that the second system of music was not gradually developed out of the first, by successive improvements, but was formed by the addition of new elements derived from other quarters, of which the first and chief were those introduced by Thaletas from Crete. It is also opposed to analogy, which teaches us that the period of most rapid improvement in any art is that in which it is first brought under the dominion of definite laws, by some great genius, whose first efforts are the signal for the appearance of a host of rivals, imitators, and pupils. Moreover, if there be any truth in the tradition, it would seem probable that Terpander and Thaletas were led to Sparta by very similar causes at no very distant period; and it seems most improbable that, after music had attained the degree of development to which Terpander brought it at Sparta, the important additional elements, which existed, in the Cretan system, should not have been introduced for a period of forty years, which is. the interval placed by Muller between Terpander and Thaletas. Muller's mode of computing backwards the date of Thaletas from that of Sacadas (b. c. 590) is altogether arbitrary ; but if such a method be allowable at all, surely thirty years is far too short a time to assign as the period during which the second school of Spartan music chiefly flourished. On the whole, decidedly as Clinton is wrong as to Terpander, he is probably near the mark in fixing the period of Thaletas at B. C. 690 •—660 ; though it might be better to say that he seems to have flourished about B. C. 670 or 660, and how much before or after those dates cannot be determined. It appears not unlikely that he was already distinguished in Crete, while Terpander flourished at Sparta
  16. ^ (Muller, p. 160)
  17. ^ (See Muller, pp. 160, 161.)

Sources

  • Fabric. Bill. Graec. vol. i. pp. 295 – 297 ; Muller, Hist, of the Lit. of Anc. Greece, vol. i. pp. 159 – 161 ; Ulrici, Gesch. d. Hellen. Dichikunst^ vol. ii. pp. 212, foil., a very valuable account of Thaletas ; Bernhardy, Geschichte der Griech. Lit. vol. i. pp. 267, 270, vol. ii. pp. 420, 421, 427.) Clinton does (F. //. vol. i. s. a. 644)
  •   This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domainSmith, William, ed. (1870). Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

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Thaletas or Thales of Crete 1 Greek 8alῆs or 8alhtas was an early Greek musician and lyric poet Contents 1 Biography 1 1 Historicity 1 2 In Sparta 2 Legacy 3 Literature 4 References 5 Sources 6 External linksBiography EditHistoricity Edit The position of Thaletas is one of the most interesting and at the same time most difficult points in that most interesting and difficult subject the early history of Greek music and poetry The most certain fact known of him is that he introduced from Crete into Sparta certain principles or elements of music and rhythm which did not exist in Terpander s system and thereby founded the second of the musical schools which flourished at Sparta 2 He was a native of Crete and according to the best writers of the city of Gortyna 3 In Sparta Edit In compliance according to tradition with an invitation which the Spartans sent to him in obedience to an oracle he removed to Sparta where by the sacred character of his paeans and the humanizing influence of his music he appeased the wrath of Apollo who had visited the city with a plague and composed the factions of the citizens who were at enmity with each other 4 At Sparta he became the head of a new school katastasis of music which appears never afterwards to have been supplanted and the influence of which was maintained also by Xenodamus of Cythera Xenocritus of Locris Polymnestus of Colophon and Sacadas of Argos 5 How uncertain were the traditions followed by the generality of the ancient writers respecting the date of Thaletas is manifest from the statements of Suidas that he lived before the time of Homer of Demetrius Magnes 6 that he was very ancient about the time of Hesiod and Homer and Lycurgus and of the many other writers who make him contemporary with Lycurgus and even an elder contemporary In nearly all the accounts of the removal of Thaletas to Sparta he is said to have gone thither at the invitation of Lycurgus who used his influence to prepare the minds of the people for his own laws while some even speak of him as if he were a legislator from whom Lycurgus derived some of his laws 7 These accounts which Aristotle condemns as anachronisms can easily be explained The influence of music upon character and manners was in the opinion of the ancients so great that it was quite natural to speak of Terpander and Thaletas as fellow workers with the great legislator of the Spartans informing the character of the people Moreover in the case of Thaletas the supposed connection with Lycurgus would assume a more probable appearance on account of his coming from Crete from whence also Lycurgus was supposed to have derived so many of his institutions and this is in fact the specific form which the tradition assumed 8 9 namely that Lycurgus arriving at Crete in the course of his travels there met with Thaletas who was one of the men renowned in the island for wisdom and political abilities and who while professing to be a lyric poet used his art as a pretext but in fact devoted himself to political science in the same way as the ablest of legislators Add to this the great probability that later writers mistook the sense of the word nomos in the ancient accounts of Thaletas and his association with Lycurgus is explained It is not worth while to discuss the statement of Jerome Chron s a 1266 b c 750 who says that Thales of Miletus probably meaning Thales of Crete for the philosopher s age is well known lived in the reign of Romulus The strictly historical evidence respecting the date of Thaletas is contained in three testimonies First the statement of Glaucus one of the highest authorities on the subject that he was later than Archilochus 10 Secondly the fact recorded by Pausanias 11 that Polymnestus composed verses in his praise for the Lacedaemonians whence it is probable that he was an elder contemporary of Polymnestus and therefore older than Alcman by whom Polymnestus was mentioned 12 Thirdly in his account of the second school or system katastasis of music at Sparta Plutarch 13 tells us that the first system was established by Terpander but of the second the following had the best claim to be considered as the leaders Thaletas Xenodamus Xenocritus Polymnestus and Sacadas and that to them was ascribed the origin of the Gymnopaedias in Lacedaemon of the Apodeixeis in Arcadia and of the Endymatia in Argos This important testimony is very probably derived from the work of Glaucus Lastly Plutarch 14 mentions a vague tradition which is on the face of it improbable and which is quite unworthy to be placed by the side of the other three that Thaletas derived the rhythm called Maron and the Cretic rhythm from the music of the Phrygian flute player Olympus The context shows that Plutarch here deserts his guide Glaucus and sets up against him the traditions of other writers we know not whom From these testimonies we obtain the result that Thaletas was younger than Archilochus and Terpander but older than Polymnestus and Alcman that he was the first of the poets of the second Spartan school of music by whose influence the great Dorian festivals which have been mentioned were either established or what is the more probable meaning were systematically arranged in respect of the choruses which were performed at them 15 Legacy EditThe improvement effected in music by Thaletas appears to have consisted in the introduction into Sparta of that species of music and poetry which was associated with the religious rites of his native country in which the calm and solemn worship of Apollo prevailed side by side with the more animated songs and dances of the Curetes which resembled the Phrygian worship of the Magna Mater 16 His chief compositions were paeans and hyporchemes which belonged respectively to these two kinds of worship In connection with the paean he introduced the rhythm of the Cretic foot with its resolutions in the paeons and the Pyrrhic dance with its several variations of rhythm is also ascribed to him He seems to have used both the lyre and the flute 17 Plutarch and other writers speak of him as a lyric poet and Suidas mentions as his works mele kai poiemata tina mythica and it is pretty certain that the musical compositions of his age and school were often combined with suitable original poems though sometimes as we are expressly told of many of the names of Terpander they were adapted to the verses of Homer Be this as it may we have now no remains of the poetry of Thaletas Literature EditZaykov Andrey Thaletas from Creta in Sparta in Russian English Summary Published in Issedon ISSHDON Almanac of Ancient History and Culture Ekaterinburg 2002 Vol I References Edit The two forms of the name are mere varieties of the same word but 8alhtas seems to be the more genuine ancient form for it not only has the authority of Aristotle Strabo and Plutarch but it is also used by Pausanias i 14 4 in quoting the verses composed in honour of the musician by his con temporary Polymnestus Nevertheless it is more convenient to follow the prevailing custom among modern writers and call him Thaletas Plut de Mus 9 p 1135 b Polymnes tus ap Paus I c Plut de Mus I c Suidas has preserved other traditions which assigned him to Cnossus or to Elyrus comp Meursius Cret i 9 K uster ad loe Miiller Hist Lit of Greece vol i p 159 Paus I c Pint Lycurg 4 Ephorus ap Strab x pp 480 482 Sext Empir adv ffitet ii p 292 Fabric Aelian V H xii 50 Plut de Mus I c ap Diog Lae rt i 38 Sext Empir I c Arist Pol ii 9 5 ii 12 Ephor ap Strab x p 482 Plut Lycurg 4 Plut de Mus 10 p 1134 d e i 14 4 Plut de Mus 5 p 1133 a de Mus 9 p 1134 c de Mus 10 p 1134 e These conditions would all be satisfied by supposing that Thaletas began to flourish early in the seventh century BC provided that we accept the argument for an earlier date of Terpander than that usually assigned to Thaletas is altogether inadmissible for if we reject Plutarch s account of the two musical schools at Sparta the first founded by Terpander and the second by Thaletas the whole matter is thrown into hopeless confusion Such a mistake made by so eminent chronologer through following implicitly Eusebius and the Parian Chronicle is an excellent example of the danger of trusting to the positive statements of the chronographers in opposition to a connected chain of inference from more detailed testimonies On the other hand Miiller while pointing out Clinton s error appears to us to place Thaletas much too low in consequence of accepting the tradition recorded by Plutarch respecting Olympus whom also he places later than Terpander Hist Lit vol i pp 158 159 The fact is that we have no sufficient data for the time of Olympus and even if we had the tradition recorded by Plutarch is much too doubtful to be set up against the evidence derived from the relations of Thaletas to Archilochus and Alcman When Muller says that Clinton does not allow sufficient weight to the far more artificial character of the music and rhythms of Thaletas i e than those of Terpander he seems to imply that a long time must necessarily have intervened between the two Not only is there no ground for this idea but it is opposed to analogy There is no ground for it for it is clear from all accounts that the second system of music was not gradually developed out of the first by successive improvements but was formed by the addition of new elements derived from other quarters of which the first and chief were those introduced by Thaletas from Crete It is also opposed to analogy which teaches us that the period of most rapid improvement in any art is that in which it is first brought under the dominion of definite laws by some great genius whose first efforts are the signal for the appearance of a host of rivals imitators and pupils Moreover if there be any truth in the tradition it would seem probable that Terpander and Thaletas were led to Sparta by very similar causes at no very distant period and it seems most improbable that after music had attained the degree of development to which Terpander brought it at Sparta the important additional elements which existed in the Cretan system should not have been introduced for a period of forty years which is the interval placed by Muller between Terpander and Thaletas Muller s mode of computing backwards the date of Thaletas from that of Sacadas b c 590 is altogether arbitrary but if such a method be allowable at all surely thirty years is far too short a time to assign as the period during which the second school of Spartan music chiefly flourished On the whole decidedly as Clinton is wrong as to Terpander he is probably near the mark in fixing the period of Thaletas at B C 690 660 though it might be better to say that he seems to have flourished about B C 670 or 660 and how much before or after those dates cannot be determined It appears not unlikely that he was already distinguished in Crete while Terpander flourished at Sparta Muller p 160 See Muller pp 160 161 Sources EditFabric Bill Graec vol i pp 295 297 Muller Hist of the Lit of Anc Greece vol i pp 159 161 Ulrici Gesch d Hellen Dichikunst vol ii pp 212 foil a very valuable account of Thaletas Bernhardy Geschichte der Griech Lit vol i pp 267 270 vol ii pp 420 421 427 Clinton does F vol i s a 644 This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain Smith William ed 1870 Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology a href Template Cite encyclopedia html title Template Cite encyclopedia cite encyclopedia a Missing or empty title help External links EditThaletas Poems Retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title Thaletas amp oldid 1084441625, wikipedia, wiki, book, books, library,

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