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Vasconic substrate hypothesis

The Vasconic substrate hypothesis is a proposal that several Western European languages contain remnants of an old language family of Vasconic languages, of which Basque is the only surviving member. The proposal was made by the German linguist Theo Vennemann, but has been rejected by other linguists.

According to Vennemann, Vasconic languages were once widespread on the European continent before they were mostly replaced by Indo-European languages. Relics of these languages include toponyms across Central and Western Europe.

Basis of the hypothesis edit

Theo Vennemann based his hypothesis on the works of Hans Krahe, who postulated an Old European substrate as the origin of the European hydronymy (Old European hydronymy). He classified the substratum language as Indo-European.[1][2]

Vennemann rejected the classification. He gives the following reasons:

  • The area of the hydronymy substrate language covers the Iberic Peninsula, which he postules to be Non-Indo-European during the time the hydronymy developed according to Krahe.[3]: 525 
  • From a phoneme-statistical point of view, the dominance of a-vocalism and the sparseness of plosives is noteworthy.[3]: 522–523 
  • Some hydronyms survived for a long time. This led Vennemann to the "toponomastic main axiom" that: Once places are given a name, they keep it and languages that newly arrive at such a place take over the already existing toponymy. He concludes that most place names in Europe must be Pre-Indo-European.[3]: 518–519

The hypothesis and its evidence edit

 
Proposed area of Vasconic substratum

Vennemann developed his ideas in a series of papers which were collected in a book called Europa Vasconica - Europa Semitica.[4]

He accepts Krahe's theory that there was a uniform Old European language, which is the origin of the Old European Hydronymy, but proposes that it is of Vasconic origin. Vasconic is a language family proposed by Vennemann encompassing Basque as its only extant member, Aquitan, Ligurian and possibly the Iberian language and the Paleo-Sardinian language.[5]

Theo Vennemann proposes that this uniform Vasconic substrate must come from a linguistically uniform population, which can only exist within a small area. He therefore proposes that during the last Ice Age, the Vasconic people lived in the modern region of Aquitania. As the glaciers retreated, the Vasconics began moving to the north and south, settling most of Western and Central Europe, spreading their language. They gave names to the rivers and places. This toponymy mostly persisted after the Vasconic language was replaced by Indo-European languages in most of their area, the present Basque area in northern Spain and southern France is postulated to be a relic.[2][6][7]

Evidence cited by Vennemann edit

In support of this argument, Vennemann cites, inter alia:

Vigesimal numerical systems edit

Elements of vigesimal ("base-20") counting/numerical systems, which Vennemann regards as a trait of Vasconic languages,[2] exist in Celtic, Danish and French.[3]: 530–539 [11]: 461 

Genetics edit

Evidence from genetics and blood types shows that the modern Basque people share physical characteristics with old populations throughout Western and Central Europe, especially in likely refugia areas, such as mountain ranges.[12][7]

Reception edit

General criticism edit

The hypothesis has been largely rejected by historical linguists.[4][13] Vennemann's theories on "Vasconic" toponymy and hydronymy were opposed by linguists such as P. R. Kitson (1996),[14] and Baldi & Richard (2006), who pointed out that most linguists see unusual European hydronyms as more likely to have Indo-European roots of some kind,[4] and the Indo-European linguist Michael Meier-Brügger.[15]

German linguist Dieter H. Steinbauer argued that it is difficult to argue on the basis of Basque because:

  • its status as an isolate means that there is insufficient historical data for the reconstruction of the substratal language and;
  • Basque itself has adopted many words from Indo-European languages.

Steinbauer also criticized Vennemann for

  • assuming that a Vasconic substratal language would necessarily share with Basque a feature of root words with initial consonant clusters;[example needed]
  • ignoring indications that the ancient Etruscan language seems more closely related to western Anatolian languages, and for
  • several methodological flaws, concluding that "a scientific discourse with Vennemann must face insurmountable obstacles".[16]

The Bascologist Joseba Lakarra rejects Vennemann's Vasconic etymologies, as he considers them to be incompatible with the current state of research on historical phonology and morphology of Basque.[17] Larry Trask concludes that Vennemann found an aglutinating language unrelated to Basque, which could e.g. be Indo-European.[18]

Harald Bichlmeier points out that Vennemann compares the etymological roots of the toponymy with modern Basque words. This is incoherent, as the comparison should be done using the reconstructed forms of Proto-Basque.[19]: 424 

Jürgen Udolph shows that some of the assumed Vasconic roots are in fact Indo-European like Vennemann's *muna, especially since Proto-Basque lacked word initial /m/.[20] Stefan Georg adds, that some roots do not exist in Basque or Proto-Basque.[13]

According to Lutz Reichardt the hypothesis is based on the assumption that "settlement continuity exists and that this means continuity of names throughout all languages being spoken in that settlement".[21]: 399 Furthermore, he criticizes the methodology applied by those who support the Vasconian hypothesis:[21]: 405 

[The words] are segmented arbitrarily and some segments are explained poorly, others are not explained at all. In addition, the elements -ingen, -hûsen, -dorf, -bach etc. are supposed to have been added to the toponymy at a later date although there is no proof for this assumption in historical documents.[21]: 405

Hayim Y. Sheynin, an expert on Semitic languages, reviewed the work of Vennemann and concluded that his reasoning is based on outdated data and scientific works rejected by critics. He states that much of the evidence presented for an Afro-Asiatic stratum is objectable and based on mere sound similarities only.[22]

Peter Anreiter noted that toponymy with an unknown meaning can be "interpreted" in almost any language. To demonstrate his point, he then "interprets" the Vasconisms proposed by Vennemann as Turkish words.[23]: 25–27  Nonetheless he states that words with plausible Indo-European etymology should be considered as toponymy of Indo-European origin.[23]: 63 

Piotr Gąsiorowski cautioned that it is unclear whether or not an Old European Hydronymy exists at all. According to him it is mere speculation to postulate an etymology for similarly-appearing toponymy from a vast area without being able to show that they are indeed from the same substratum.[24]

Origin of the vigesimal numerical systems in Europe edit

Vennemann argues that the vigesimal numerical systems in the modern Celtic languages, in French and Danish are a remnant of the Vasconic vigesimal counting system. According to Manfred Kudlek, Old Irish and Gallic did not have vigesimal counting systems and neither did Old Norse. The vigesimal systems in the respective languages developed during the Middle Ages, e.g. Danish started to use a vigesimal system in the 13th/14th century. Therefore, the French system cannot be the result of Celtic influence.[25] Kudlek proposes that the Celtic and Danish systems are loans from French.[25] Brigitte Bauer, too, rejects substratal influence. She suggests that intrasocietal developments, e.g. in the monetary system, may explain the adoption of vigesimal systems.[26]

Genetics edit

Manfred Kayser and Lutz Roewer, both experts on genetics, commented in 2013 that genetics do not reveal anything about the languages spoken by the individuums. Furthermore, the information genetics can deliver on population historical hypothesis is limited.[27]

Dieterlen and Bengtson find the distribution of blood factors and haploid groups is convincing evidence for Basque settlement in Western Europe before the Indo-Europeans settled there in line with Vennemann's hypothesis. They note that similarity between the distributions in Basque areas and Sardinia.[28]

See also edit

References edit

  1. ^ See Krahe, Hans (1963). Die Struktur der alteuropäischen Hydronymie [The structure of the Old European hydronymy] (in German). Wiesbaden/Mainz: Akademie der Wissenschaften und der Literatur, Mainz. OCLC 4872207.
  2. ^ a b c Vennemann, Theo; Hamel, Elisabeth (1 May 2002). "Ursprache: Vaskonisch war die Ursprache des Kontinents". Spektrum der Wissenschaft (in German). Heidelberg: 32–40. ISSN 0170-2971.
  3. ^ a b c d Vennemann, Theo (2003). "Zur Frage der vorindogermanischen Substrate in Mittel- und Westeuropa" [On the question of Pre-Indo-European substrata in Central and Western Europe]. In Noel Aziz Hanna, Patrizia (ed.). Europa Vasconica, Europa Semitica. Trends in Linguistics. Studies and Monographs (in German). Vol. 138. Berlin/New York: Mouton de Gruyter. pp. 517–590. ISBN 3-11-017054-X.
  4. ^ a b c Baldi, Philip; Page, B. Richard (December 2006). "Europa Vasconica-Europa Semitica". Lingua. 116 (12): 2183–2220. doi:10.1016/j.lingua.2005.03.011. Abstract: In this review article we evaluate Theo Vennemann's provocative theories on the role of Afroasiatic and Vasconic (e.g. Basque) languages in the pre-historic development of Indo-European languages in Europe as presented in the volume Europa Vasconica-Europa Semitica, a collection of 27 of Vennemann's essays...
  5. ^
    • Vennemann, Theo (1995). "Etymologische Beziehungen im Alten Europa". Der Ginkgo-Baum: Germanistisches Jahrbuch für Nordeuropa (in German). 13 (39–115). Helsinki: University of Helsinki. ISSN 0359-7210.
    • Vennemann, Theo (2003) [1995]. "Etymologische Beziehungen im Alten Europa" [Etymological relations in Old Europe]. In Noel Aziz Hanna, Patrizia (ed.). Europa Vasconica, Europa Semitica. Trends in Linguistics. Studies and Monographs (in German). Vol. 138. Berlin/New York: Mouton de Gruyter. pp. 203–298. ISBN 3-11-017054-X.
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    • Vennemann, Theo (2003). "Languages in prehistoric Europe north of the Alps". In Bammesberger, Alfred; Vennemann, Theo (eds.). Languages in prehistoric Europe. Indogermanische Bibliothek (2 ed.). Heidelberg: Winter. pp. 319–332. ISBN 3-8253-1449-9.
    • Vennemann, Theo (2012) [2003]. "Languages in prehistoric Europe north of the Alps". In Noel Aziz Hanna, Patrizia (ed.). Germania Semitica. Trends in Linguistics. Studies and Monographs. Vol. 259. Berlin: De Gruyter Mouton. pp. 257–268. doi:10.1515/9783110301090. ISBN 9783110300949. Retrieved 26 December 2022.
  7. ^ a b Noel Aziz Hanna, Patrizia (2003). "Introduction". In Noel Aziz Hanna, Patrizia (ed.). Europa Vasconica, Europa Semitica. Trends in Linguistics. Studies and Monographs. Vol. 138. Berlin/New York: Mouton de Gruyter. pp. XV–XXII. ISBN 3-11-017054-X.
  8. ^ Vennemann, Theo (2003). "German Eisvogel, Greek halkyon, English alder. Α study in Old European Etymology". In Noel Aziz Hanna, Patrizia (ed.). Europa Vasconica, Europa Semitica. Trends in Linguistics. Studies and Monographs. Vol. 138. Berlin/New York: Mouton de Gruyter. pp. 315–342. ISBN 3-11-017054-X.
  9. ^ Vennemann, Theo (2003). "Remarks on some British place names". In Noel Aziz Hanna, Patrizia (ed.). Europa Vasconica, Europa Semitica. Trends in Linguistics. Studies and Monographs. Vol. 138. Berlin/New York: Mouton de Gruyter. pp. 479–516. ISBN 3-11-017054-X.
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  11. ^ Vennemann, Theo (2003). "Basken, Semiten, Indogermanen: Urheimatfragen in linguistischer und anthropologischer Sicht" [Basques, Semites, Indo-Europeans: Questions about the Urheimat from a linguistic and an anthropological point of view]. In Noel Aziz Hanna, Patrizia (ed.). Europa Vasconica, Europa Semitica. Trends in Linguistics. Studies and Monographs (in German). Vol. 138. Berlin/New York: Mouton de Gruyter. pp. 453–472. ISBN 3-11-017054-X.
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  13. ^ a b Georg, Stefan (1 September 2014). "Europa Semitica? Kritische Beiträge zur Frage nach dem baskischen und semitischen Substrat in Europa". Zeitschrift für celtische Philologie (in German). 61 (1). Berlin: De Gruyter: 294–299. doi:10.1515/zcph.2014.028. S2CID 164830023.
  14. ^ Kitson, P.R. (November 1996). "British and European River-Names". Transactions of the Philological Society. 94 (2): 73–118. doi:10.1111/j.1467-968X.1996.tb01178.x.
  15. ^ Meier-Brügger, Michael (2010). Fritz, Matthias; Mayrhofer, Manfred (eds.). Indogermanische Sprachwissenschaft (in German) (9 ed.). Berlin/New York: De Gruyter. p. 166. doi:10.1515/9783110251449. ISBN 978-3-11-025144-9. Eine eigene Dynamik entfaltet Th. Vennemann. Er bezieht Baskisch und Hamito-Semitisch in seine Theorien zur sprachlichen Vorgeschichte Europas mit ein und rechnet mit einem alten Nebeneinander von vaskonischen, atlantischen und indogermanischen Sprachen. Seine Hypothesen sind allesamt reich an nicht beweisbarer Phantasie.
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  28. ^ Dieterlen, Florent; Bengtson, John (1 January 2017). "Confirmation de l'ancienne extension des Basques par l'étude des dialectes de l'Europe de l'Ouest romane" [Confirmation on the former extension of the Basque through the study of Western European Romance dialects]. Journal of Language Relationship (in French). 14 (1–2). Piscataway: Gorgias Press: 1–28. doi:10.31826/jlr-2017-141-204.

External links edit

  • Personal homepage of Theo Vennemann
  • Review of Theo Vennemann's collection of articles, Europa Vasconica - Europa Semitica, by Hayim Sheynin via LINGUIST List 15.1878 (June 21, 2004)
  • Review of Theo Vennemann's Europa Vasconica-Europa Semitica, by Philip Baldi and B. Richard Page, in Lingua, volume 116, issue 12, December 2006.

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translated from the existing Spanish Wikipedia article at es Teoria del sustrato vasconico see its history for attribution You should also add the template Translated es Teoria del sustrato vasconico to the talk page For more guidance see Wikipedia Translation The Vasconic substrate hypothesis is a proposal that several Western European languages contain remnants of an old language family of Vasconic languages of which Basque is the only surviving member The proposal was made by the German linguist Theo Vennemann but has been rejected by other linguists According to Vennemann Vasconic languages were once widespread on the European continent before they were mostly replaced by Indo European languages Relics of these languages include toponyms across Central and Western Europe Contents 1 Basis of the hypothesis 2 The hypothesis and its evidence 2 1 Evidence cited by Vennemann 2 1 1 Vigesimal numerical systems 2 2 Genetics 3 Reception 3 1 General criticism 3 2 Origin of the vigesimal numerical systems in Europe 3 3 Genetics 4 See also 5 References 6 External linksBasis of the hypothesis editTheo Vennemann based his hypothesis on the works of Hans Krahe who postulated an Old European substrate as the origin of the European hydronymy Old European hydronymy He classified the substratum language as Indo European 1 2 Vennemann rejected the classification He gives the following reasons The area of the hydronymy substrate language covers the Iberic Peninsula which he postules to be Non Indo European during the time the hydronymy developed according to Krahe 3 525 From a phoneme statistical point of view the dominance of a vocalism and the sparseness of plosives is noteworthy 3 522 523 Some hydronyms survived for a long time This led Vennemann to the toponomastic main axiom that Once places are given a name they keep it and languages that newly arrive at such a place take over the already existing toponymy He concludes that most place names in Europe must be Pre Indo European 3 518 519 The hypothesis and its evidence edit nbsp Proposed area of Vasconic substratumVennemann developed his ideas in a series of papers which were collected in a book called Europa Vasconica Europa Semitica 4 He accepts Krahe s theory that there was a uniform Old European language which is the origin of the Old European Hydronymy but proposes that it is of Vasconic origin Vasconic is a language family proposed by Vennemann encompassing Basque as its only extant member Aquitan Ligurian and possibly the Iberian language and the Paleo Sardinian language 5 Theo Vennemann proposes that this uniform Vasconic substrate must come from a linguistically uniform population which can only exist within a small area He therefore proposes that during the last Ice Age the Vasconic people lived in the modern region of Aquitania As the glaciers retreated the Vasconics began moving to the north and south settling most of Western and Central Europe spreading their language They gave names to the rivers and places This toponymy mostly persisted after the Vasconic language was replaced by Indo European languages in most of their area the present Basque area in northern Spain and southern France is postulated to be a relic 2 6 7 Evidence cited by Vennemann edit In support of this argument Vennemann cites inter alia cultural similarities noted by Marija Gimbutas example needed citation needed parallels in geographical toponyms which may be relics of a pre Indo European substratum including numerous examples from Old European hydronymy and maritime terminology noted by scholars such as Hans Krahe that do not necessarily have an Indo European root such as words in West Germanic languages for sea Dutch zee and ice Dutch ijs that are similar to their respective Basque counterparts i e itsaso and izotz 8 the similarity of names like Val d Aran Arundel and Arendal to for example the Standard Basque word haran valley 9 the similarity of names containing Eber with Basque ibar valley river mouth 10 Vigesimal numerical systems edit Elements of vigesimal base 20 counting numerical systems which Vennemann regards as a trait of Vasconic languages 2 exist in Celtic Danish and French 3 530 539 11 461 Genetics edit Evidence from genetics and blood types shows that the modern Basque people share physical characteristics with old populations throughout Western and Central Europe especially in likely refugia areas such as mountain ranges 12 7 Reception editGeneral criticism edit The hypothesis has been largely rejected by historical linguists 4 13 Vennemann s theories on Vasconic toponymy and hydronymy were opposed by linguists such as P R Kitson 1996 14 and Baldi amp Richard 2006 who pointed out that most linguists see unusual European hydronyms as more likely to have Indo European roots of some kind 4 and the Indo European linguist Michael Meier Brugger 15 German linguist Dieter H Steinbauer argued that it is difficult to argue on the basis of Basque because its status as an isolate means that there is insufficient historical data for the reconstruction of the substratal language and Basque itself has adopted many words from Indo European languages Steinbauer also criticized Vennemann for assuming that a Vasconic substratal language would necessarily share with Basque a feature of root words with initial consonant clusters example needed ignoring indications that the ancient Etruscan language seems more closely related to western Anatolian languages and for several methodological flaws concluding that a scientific discourse with Vennemann must face insurmountable obstacles 16 The Bascologist Joseba Lakarra rejects Vennemann s Vasconic etymologies as he considers them to be incompatible with the current state of research on historical phonology and morphology of Basque 17 Larry Trask concludes that Vennemann found an aglutinating language unrelated to Basque which could e g be Indo European 18 Harald Bichlmeier points out that Vennemann compares the etymological roots of the toponymy with modern Basque words This is incoherent as the comparison should be done using the reconstructed forms of Proto Basque 19 424 Jurgen Udolph shows that some of the assumed Vasconic roots are in fact Indo European like Vennemann s muna especially since Proto Basque lacked word initial m 20 Stefan Georg adds that some roots do not exist in Basque or Proto Basque 13 According to Lutz Reichardt the hypothesis is based on the assumption that settlement continuity exists and that this means continuity of names throughout all languages being spoken in that settlement 21 399 Furthermore he criticizes the methodology applied by those who support the Vasconian hypothesis 21 405 The words are segmented arbitrarily and some segments are explained poorly others are not explained at all In addition the elements ingen husen dorf bach etc are supposed to have been added to the toponymy at a later date although there is no proof for this assumption in historical documents 21 405 Hayim Y Sheynin an expert on Semitic languages reviewed the work of Vennemann and concluded that his reasoning is based on outdated data and scientific works rejected by critics He states that much of the evidence presented for an Afro Asiatic stratum is objectable and based on mere sound similarities only 22 Peter Anreiter noted that toponymy with an unknown meaning can be interpreted in almost any language To demonstrate his point he then interprets the Vasconisms proposed by Vennemann as Turkish words 23 25 27 Nonetheless he states that words with plausible Indo European etymology should be considered as toponymy of Indo European origin 23 63 Piotr Gasiorowski cautioned that it is unclear whether or not an Old European Hydronymy exists at all According to him it is mere speculation to postulate an etymology for similarly appearing toponymy from a vast area without being able to show that they are indeed from the same substratum 24 Origin of the vigesimal numerical systems in Europe edit Vennemann argues that the vigesimal numerical systems in the modern Celtic languages in French and Danish are a remnant of the Vasconic vigesimal counting system According to Manfred Kudlek Old Irish and Gallic did not have vigesimal counting systems and neither did Old Norse The vigesimal systems in the respective languages developed during the Middle Ages e g Danish started to use a vigesimal system in the 13th 14th century Therefore the French system cannot be the result of Celtic influence 25 Kudlek proposes that the Celtic and Danish systems are loans from French 25 Brigitte Bauer too rejects substratal influence She suggests that intrasocietal developments e g in the monetary system may explain the adoption of vigesimal systems 26 Genetics edit Manfred Kayser and Lutz Roewer both experts on genetics commented in 2013 that genetics do not reveal anything about the languages spoken by the individuums Furthermore the information genetics can deliver on population historical hypothesis is limited 27 Dieterlen and Bengtson find the distribution of blood factors and haploid groups is convincing evidence for Basque settlement in Western Europe before the Indo Europeans settled there in line with Vennemann s hypothesis They note that similarity between the distributions in Basque areas and Sardinia 28 See also editAtlantic Semitic languages Atlantic Bronze Age Aquitanian language Bronze Age in Europe Indo European substrate hypotheses Neolithic Europe Language in the Neolithic Old European hydronymy Origin of the Basques Old European Pre Roman peoples of the Iberian Peninsula Proto Basque Urbian Dene Caucasian languagesReferences edit See Krahe Hans 1963 Die Struktur der alteuropaischen Hydronymie The structure of the Old European hydronymy in German Wiesbaden Mainz Akademie der Wissenschaften und der Literatur Mainz OCLC 4872207 a b c Vennemann Theo Hamel Elisabeth 1 May 2002 Ursprache Vaskonisch war die Ursprache des Kontinents Spektrum der Wissenschaft in German Heidelberg 32 40 ISSN 0170 2971 a b c d Vennemann Theo 2003 Zur Frage der vorindogermanischen Substrate in Mittel und Westeuropa On the question of Pre Indo European substrata in Central and Western Europe In Noel Aziz Hanna Patrizia ed Europa Vasconica Europa Semitica Trends in Linguistics Studies and Monographs in German Vol 138 Berlin New York Mouton de Gruyter pp 517 590 ISBN 3 11 017054 X a b c Baldi Philip Page B Richard December 2006 Europa Vasconica Europa Semitica Lingua 116 12 2183 2220 doi 10 1016 j lingua 2005 03 011 Abstract In this review article we evaluate Theo Vennemann s provocative theories on the role of Afroasiatic and Vasconic e g Basque languages in the pre historic development of Indo European languages in Europe as presented in the volume Europa Vasconica Europa Semitica a collection of 27 of Vennemann s essays Vennemann Theo 1995 Etymologische Beziehungen im Alten Europa Der Ginkgo Baum Germanistisches Jahrbuch fur Nordeuropa in German 13 39 115 Helsinki University of Helsinki ISSN 0359 7210 Vennemann Theo 2003 1995 Etymologische Beziehungen im Alten Europa Etymological relations in Old Europe In Noel Aziz Hanna Patrizia ed Europa Vasconica Europa Semitica Trends in Linguistics Studies and Monographs in German Vol 138 Berlin New York Mouton de Gruyter pp 203 298 ISBN 3 11 017054 X Vennemann Theo 2003 Languages in prehistoric Europe north of the Alps In Bammesberger Alfred Vennemann Theo eds Languages in prehistoric Europe Indogermanische Bibliothek 2 ed Heidelberg Winter pp 319 332 ISBN 3 8253 1449 9 Vennemann Theo 2012 2003 Languages in prehistoric Europe north of the Alps In Noel Aziz Hanna Patrizia ed Germania Semitica Trends in Linguistics Studies and Monographs Vol 259 Berlin De Gruyter Mouton pp 257 268 doi 10 1515 9783110301090 ISBN 9783110300949 Retrieved 26 December 2022 a b Noel Aziz Hanna Patrizia 2003 Introduction In Noel Aziz Hanna Patrizia ed Europa Vasconica Europa Semitica Trends in Linguistics Studies and Monographs Vol 138 Berlin New York Mouton de Gruyter pp XV XXII ISBN 3 11 017054 X Vennemann Theo 2003 German Eisvogel Greek halkyon English alder A study in Old European Etymology In Noel Aziz Hanna Patrizia ed Europa Vasconica Europa Semitica Trends in Linguistics Studies and Monographs Vol 138 Berlin New York Mouton de Gruyter pp 315 342 ISBN 3 11 017054 X Vennemann Theo 2003 Remarks on some British place names In Noel Aziz Hanna Patrizia ed Europa Vasconica Europa Semitica Trends in Linguistics Studies and Monographs Vol 138 Berlin New York Mouton de Gruyter pp 479 516 ISBN 3 11 017054 X Vennemann Theo 2003 Volksetymologie und Ortsnamenforschung In Noel Aziz Hanna Patrizia ed Europa Vasconica Europa Semitica Trends in Linguistics Studies and Monographs in German Vol 138 Berlin New York Mouton de Gruyter pp 753 802 ISBN 3 11 017054 X Vennemann Theo 2003 Basken Semiten Indogermanen Urheimatfragen in linguistischer und anthropologischer Sicht Basques Semites Indo Europeans Questions about the Urheimat from a linguistic and an anthropological point of view In Noel Aziz Hanna Patrizia ed Europa Vasconica Europa Semitica Trends in Linguistics Studies and Monographs in German Vol 138 Berlin New York Mouton de Gruyter pp 453 472 ISBN 3 11 017054 X Peter Forster Hamel Elisabeth 1 May 2002 Ursprache Drei Viertel unserer Gene stammen von den Urbasken Spektrum der Wissenschaft in German Heidelberg 41 45 ISSN 0170 2971 a b Georg Stefan 1 September 2014 Europa Semitica Kritische Beitrage zur Frage nach dem baskischen und semitischen Substrat in Europa Zeitschrift fur celtische Philologie in German 61 1 Berlin De Gruyter 294 299 doi 10 1515 zcph 2014 028 S2CID 164830023 Kitson P R November 1996 British and European River Names Transactions of the Philological Society 94 2 73 118 doi 10 1111 j 1467 968X 1996 tb01178 x Meier Brugger Michael 2010 Fritz Matthias Mayrhofer Manfred eds Indogermanische Sprachwissenschaft in German 9 ed Berlin New York De Gruyter p 166 doi 10 1515 9783110251449 ISBN 978 3 11 025144 9 Eine eigene Dynamik entfaltet Th Vennemann Er bezieht Baskisch und Hamito Semitisch in seine Theorien zur sprachlichen Vorgeschichte Europas mit ein und rechnet mit einem alten Nebeneinander von vaskonischen atlantischen und indogermanischen Sprachen Seine Hypothesen sind allesamt reich an nicht beweisbarer Phantasie Steinbauer Dieter H 2005 Vaskonisch Ursprache Europas Vasconic The original language of Europe In Hauska Gunter ed Gene Sprachen und ihre Evolution Wie verwandt sind die Menschen wie verwandt sind ihre Sprachen Gens languages and their evolution How closely related are humans How closely related are their languages Schriftenreihe der Universitat Regensburg in German Vol 29 Regensburg Universitatsverlag Regensburg pp 53 67 ISBN 3 930480 46 8 ISSN 0171 7529 Lakarra Joseba A 2013 On Ancient European and Reconstruction of Proto Basque In Udolph Jurgen ed Europa vasconica Europa semitica kritische Beitrage zur Frage nach dem 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Winter 398 406 Sheynin Hayim Y 21 June 2004 Review Historical Linguistics Vennemann 2003 The LINGUIST List Archived from the original on January 20 2021 Retrieved 26 December 2022 Sheynin Hayim Y 2013 2004 Indo European Old European and Afrasian or contra Vennemann In Udolph Jurgen ed Europa vasconica Europa semitica kritische Beitrage zur Frage nach dem baskischen und semitischen Substrat in Europa Hamburg Baar pp 181 210 ISBN 978 3 935536 06 6 a b Anreiter Peter 2013 Gedanken zum Buch von Theo Vennemann Thoughts on the book of Theo Vennemann In Udolph Jurgen ed Europa vasconica Europa semitica kritische Beitrage zur Frage nach dem baskischen und semitischen Substrat in Europa in German Hamburg Baar pp 11 64 ISBN 978 3 935536 06 6 Gasiorowski Piotr 2012 Against Old European Why we need to be more specific In Loye Hejl Christina Bahs Jacquet Janus Heide Marie eds Etymology and the European Lexicon 14th Fachtagung of the Indogermanische Gesellschaft 17 22 September 2012 University of Copenhagen pp 47 48 a b Kudlek Manfred 2010 Vigesimale Zahlensysteme in Sprachen Europas und benachbarter Gebiete In Bachmann Armin R Himstedt Katja El Mogharbel Christliebe eds Form und Struktur in der Sprache Festschrift fur Elmar Ternes in German Tubingen Narr pp 221 240 ISBN 9783823362869 Bauer Brigitte 2004 Vigesimal numerals in Romance an Indoeuropean perspecitve General Linguistics 41 21 46 Udolph Jurgen Kayser Manfred Roewer Lutz 2013 Fragen an die Genforschung In Udolph Jurgen ed Europa vasconica Europa semitica kritische Beitrage zur Frage nach dem baskischen und semitischen Substrat in Europa in German Hamburg Baar pp 361 386 ISBN 978 3 935536 06 6 Dieterlen Florent Bengtson John 1 January 2017 Confirmation de l ancienne extension des Basques par l etude des dialectes de l Europe de l Ouest romane Confirmation on the former extension of the Basque through the study of Western European Romance dialects Journal of Language Relationship in French 14 1 2 Piscataway Gorgias Press 1 28 doi 10 31826 jlr 2017 141 204 External links editPersonal homepage of Theo Vennemann Theo Vennemann s page at University of Munich Review of Theo Vennemann s collection of articles Europa Vasconica Europa Semitica by Hayim Sheynin via LINGUIST List 15 1878 June 21 2004 Review of Theo Vennemann s Europa Vasconica Europa Semitica by Philip Baldi and B Richard Page in Lingua volume 116 issue 12 December 2006 Retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title Vasconic substrate hypothesis amp oldid 1216946537, wikipedia, wiki, book, books, library,

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