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Occitano-Romance languages

The Occitano-Romance or Gallo-Narbonnese (Catalan: llengües occitanoromàniques; Occitan: lengas occitanoromanicas), or rarely East Iberian,[1] is a branch of the Romance language group that encompasses the Catalan/Valencian and Occitan languages spoken in parts of southern France and northeastern Spain.[2][3]

Extent

The group covers the languages of the southern part of France (Occitania including Northern Catalonia), eastern Spain (Catalonia, Valencian Community, Balearic Islands, La Franja, Carche, Northern Aragon), together with Andorra, Monaco, parts of Italy (Occitan Valleys, Alghero, Guardia Piemontese), and historically in the County of Tripoli and the possessions of the Crown of Aragon. The existence of this group of languages is discussed on both linguistic and political bases.

Classification of Catalan

According to some linguists both Occitan and Catalan/Valencian should be considered Gallo-Romance languages. Other linguists concur as regarding Occitan but consider Catalan and Aragonese to be part of the Ibero-Romance languages.

The issue at debate is as political as it is linguistic because the division into Gallo-Romance and Ibero-Romance languages stems from the current nation states of France and Spain and so is based more on territorial criteria than historic and linguistic criteria. One of the main proponents of the unity of the languages of the Iberian Peninsula was Spanish philologist Ramón Menéndez Pidal, and for a long time, others such as Swiss linguist Wilhelm Meyer-Lübke (Das Katalanische, Heidelberg, 1925) have supported the kinship of Occitan and Catalan. Moreover, the fact that Aragonese hasn't been studied as much as both Catalan and Occitan, many people still label it as a Spanish dialect.[4]

From the 8th century to the 13th century, there was no clear sociolinguistic distinction between Occitania and Catalonia. For instance, the Provençal troubadour, Albertet de Sestaró, says: "Monks, tell me which according to your knowledge are better: the French or the Catalans? and here I shall put Gascony, Provence, Limousin, Auvergne and Viennois while there shall be the land of the two kings."[5] In Marseille, a typical Provençal song is called 'Catalan song'.[6]

Internal variation

Most linguists separate Catalan and Occitan, but both languages have been treated as one in studies by Occitan linguists attempting to classify the dialects of Occitan in supradialectal groups, such is the case of Pierre Bec[7] and, more recently, of Domergue Sumien.[8]

Both join together in an Aquitano-Pyrenean or Pre-Iberian group including Catalan, Gascon and a part of Languedocien, leaving the rest of Occitan in one (Sumien: Arverno-Mediterranean) or two groups (Bec: Arverno-Mediterranean, Central Occitan).

The answer to the question of whether Gascon or Catalan should be considered dialects of Occitan or separate languages has long been a matter of opinion or convention, rather than based on scientific ground. However, two recent studies support Gascon's being considered a distinct language. For the very first time, a quantifiable, statistics-based approach was applied by Stephan Koppelberg in attempt to solve this issue.[9] Based on the results he obtained, he concludes that Catalan, Occitan, and Gascon should all be considered three distinct languages. More recently, Y. Greub and J.P. Chambon (Sorbonne University, Paris) demonstrated that the formation of Proto-Gascon was already complete at the eve of the 7th century, whereas Proto-Occitan was not yet formed at that time.[10] These results induced linguists to do away with the conventional classification of Gascon, favoring the "distinct language" alternative.[citation needed] Both studies supported the early intuition of late Kurt Baldinger, a specialist of both medieval Occitan and medieval Gascon, who recommended that Occitan and Gascon be classified as separate languages.[11][12]

Linguistic variation

Similarities between Catalan, Occitan and Aragonese

  • Both Catalan and Occitan have apocope on terminal latin vowels , (later -e, -o):
    Latin Catalan Occitan Spanish
    Orthography IPA Orthography IPA Orthography IPA
    TRÚNCU(M) [ˈt̪rʊŋ.kʊ̃ˑ] tronc [tɾoŋ(k)] tronc [tɾuŋ(k)] tronco
    LIGNṒSU(M) [lʲɪŋˈn̪oː.sʊ̃ˑ] llenyós [ʎəˈɲos] lenhós [leˈɲus] leñoso

    This evolution does not occur when the ellision of -e or -o results in a terminal consonant cluster.

    Latin Old Occitan Catalan Occitan
    ÁRBORE(M) ARBRE arbre arbre
    QUÁTTOR QUÁTRO quatre quatre
  • A large part of the lexicon is shared, and in general written words in Catalan and Occitan are mutually intelligible. Similar to the differences in lexicon between Portuguese and Spanish (although this is not always the case with spoken language and varies from dialect to dialect). There are also notable cognates between Catalan, Occitan and Aragonese.
    English Latin Occitan Catalan Aragonese
    old VÉCLA(M) vielha vella viella
    middle / half MÉDIU(M) mièg mig meyo
    I ÉGO ieu ~ jo jo yo
    to follow SÉQUERE seguir ~ siegere seguir seguir(e)
    leaf FÓLIA(M) fuòlha ~ fuèlha fulla fuella ~ folla

Differences between Catalan and Occitan

Most of the differences of the vowel system stem from neutralizations that take place on unstressed syllables. In both languages a stressed syllable has a great number of possible different vowels, while phonologically different vowels end up being articulated in the same way in an unstressed syllable. Although this neutralization is common to both languages, the details differ markedly. In Occitan the form of neutralization depends on whether a vowel is pretonic (before the stressed syllable) or posttonic (after the stressed syllable). For example /ɔ/ articulates as [u] in pretonic position and as [o] in posttonic position, and only as [ɔ] in stressed position. In contrast neutralization in Catalan is the same regardless of the position of the unstressed syllable (although it differs from dialect to dialect). Many of these changes happened in the 14th or late 13th century.

Slightly older are the palatalizations present in Occitan before a palatal or velar consonant:

Occitan Catalan English
vielha vella Old
mièg mig Middle/Half
ieu/jo jo I
seguir seguir To follow
fuèlha fulla Leaf

Lexical comparison

Variations in the spellings and pronunciations of numbers in several Occitano-Romance dialects:[13][14]

Numeral Occitan Catalan Aragonese[15] PROTO-
OcRm
Northern Occitan Western Occitan Eastern Occitan Eastern Catalan Northwestern Catalan
Auvergnat Limousin Gascon Languedocien Provençal
1 vyn / vynɐ
vun / vunå
ỹ / ynɔ
un / una
y / yo
un / ua
ỹ / yno
un / una
yŋ / yno
un / una
un / unə
un / una
un / una
un / una
un~uno / una
un~uno / una
*un / *una
2 du / dua
dou / duas
du / dua
dos / doas
dys / dyos
dus / duas
dus / duos
dos / doas
dus / duas
dous / douas
dos / duəs
dos / dues
dos/dues
dos / dues
dos / duas
dos / duas
*dos~dus / *duas
3 tʀei
trei
trei
tres
tres
tres
tres
tres
tʀes
tres
trɛs
tres
trɛs
tres
tɾes
tres
*tres
4 katʀə
catre
katre
quatre
kwatə
quatre
katre
quatre
katʀə
quatre
kwatrə
quatre
kwatre
quatre
kwatro~kwatre
quatro / quatre
*kwatre
5 ʃin
sin
ʃin
cinc
siŋk
cinq
siŋk
cinq
siŋ
cinq
siŋ / siŋk
cinc
siŋ / siŋk
cinc
θiŋko~θiŋk
cinco / cinc
*siŋk
6 ʃei
siei
ʃiei
sieis
ʃeis
sheis
siɛis
sièis
siei
sieis
sis
sis
sis
sis
seis~sieis
seis / sieis
*sieis
7 se
ʃe
sèt
sɛt
sèt
sɛt
sèt

sèt
sɛt
set
sɛt
set
siet~sɛt
siet / set
*sɛt
8
veu
jɥe
uèch
weit
ueit
ɥet͡ʃ
uèch
vɥe
vue
buit / vuit
vuit
vuit / wit
vuit / huit
weito~weit
ueito / ueit
*weit
9 niø~nou
nieu~nou
nɔu
nòu
nau
nau
nɔu
nòu
nu
nòu
nɔu
nou
nɔu
nou
nweu~nɔu
nueu / nou
*nɔu
10 die~de
dié~
diɛ~de
detz
dɛt͡s
dètz
dɛt͡s
dèts
dɛs
dès
dɛu
deu
dɛu
deu
dieθ~deu
diez / deu
*dɛt͡s

The numbers 1 and 2 have both feminine and masculine forms agreeing with the object they modify.

References

  1. ^ "Ibero-Romance". Retrieved 4 October 2017.
  2. ^ "Mas se confrontam los parlars naturals de Catalonha e d'Occitania, i a pas cap de dobte, em en preséncia de parlars d'una meteissa familha linguistica, la qu'ai qualificada d'occitano-romana, plaçada a egala distància entre lo francés e l'espanhòl." Loís Alibèrt, Òc, n°7 (01/1950), p. 26
  3. ^ Lozano Sierra J, Saludas Bernad A.. Aspectos morfosintácticos del Belsetán. Saragossa: Gara d'Edizions, 2007, p. 180. ISBN 84-8094-056-5.
  4. ^ Tomás Arias, Javier. Elementos de lingüística contrastiva en aragonés: estudio de algunas afinidades con gascón, catalán y otros romances (Thesis). Universitat de Barcelona, 2016-07-08
  5. ^ Monges, causetz, segons vostre siensa qual valon mais, catalan ho francés?/ E met de sai Guascuenha e Proensa/ E lemozí, alvernh’ e vianés/ E de lai met la terra dels dos reis.
  6. ^ Manuel Milá y Fontanals (1861). De los trovadores en España: Estudio de lengua y poesía provenzal. J. Verdaguer. p. 14.
  7. ^ Pierre BEC (1973), Manuel pratique d’occitan moderne, coll. Connaissance des langues, Paris: Picard
  8. ^ Domergue SUMIEN (2006), La standardisation pluricentrique de l'occitan: nouvel enjeu sociolinguistique, développement du lexique et de la morphologie, coll. Publications de l'Association Internationale d'Études Occitanes, Turnhout: Brepols
  9. ^ Stephan Koppelberg, El lèxic hereditari caracteristic de l'occità i del gascó i la seva relació amb el del català (conclusions d'un analisi estadística), Actes del vuitè Col·loqui Internacional de Llengua i Literatura Catalana, Volume 1 (1988). Antoni M. Badia Margarit & Michel Camprubi ed. (in Catalan)
  10. ^ Chambon, Jean-Pierre; Greub, Yan (2002). "Note sur l'âge du (proto)gascon". Revue de Linguistique Romane (in French). 66: 473–495.
  11. ^ Baldinger, Kurt (1962). "La langue des documents en ancien gascon". Revue de Linguistique Romane (in French). 26: 331–347.
  12. ^ Baldinger, Kurt (1962). "Textes anciens gascons". Revue de Linguistique Romane (in French). 26: 348–362.
  13. ^ . Archived from the original on 2012-02-12. Retrieved 2019-05-15.
  14. ^ Cardinals en l'argonés
  15. ^ . Archived from the original on 2019-04-21. Retrieved 2019-05-15.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: bot: original URL status unknown (link)

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This article may be expanded with text translated from the corresponding articles in Aragonese French and Catalan April 2020 Click show for important translation instructions Do not translate text that appears unreliable or low quality If possible verify the text with references provided in the foreign language article You must provide copyright attribution in the edit summary accompanying your translation by providing an interlanguage link to the source of your translation A model attribution edit summary is Content in this edit is translated from the existing Aragonese Wikipedia article at an Luengas occitano romances see its history for attribution You should also add the template Translated an Luengas occitano romances to the talk page For more guidance see Wikipedia Translation The Occitano Romance or Gallo Narbonnese Catalan llengues occitanoromaniques Occitan lengas occitanoromanicas or rarely East Iberian 1 is a branch of the Romance language group that encompasses the Catalan Valencian and Occitan languages spoken in parts of southern France and northeastern Spain 2 3 Occitano RomanceGeographicdistributionFrance Spain Andorra Monaco ItalyLinguistic classificationIndo EuropeanItalicLatino FaliscanRomanceItalo WesternWestern RomanceGallo RomanceOccitano RomanceSubdivisionsOccitanic Catalan Valencian Aragonese possibly GlottologNone Contents 1 Extent 2 Classification of Catalan 3 Internal variation 4 Linguistic variation 4 1 Similarities between Catalan Occitan and Aragonese 4 2 Differences between Catalan and Occitan 4 3 Lexical comparison 5 ReferencesExtent EditThe group covers the languages of the southern part of France Occitania including Northern Catalonia eastern Spain Catalonia Valencian Community Balearic Islands La Franja Carche Northern Aragon together with Andorra Monaco parts of Italy Occitan Valleys Alghero Guardia Piemontese and historically in the County of Tripoli and the possessions of the Crown of Aragon The existence of this group of languages is discussed on both linguistic and political bases Classification of Catalan EditAccording to some linguists both Occitan and Catalan Valencian should be considered Gallo Romance languages Other linguists concur as regarding Occitan but consider Catalan and Aragonese to be part of the Ibero Romance languages The issue at debate is as political as it is linguistic because the division into Gallo Romance and Ibero Romance languages stems from the current nation states of France and Spain and so is based more on territorial criteria than historic and linguistic criteria One of the main proponents of the unity of the languages of the Iberian Peninsula was Spanish philologist Ramon Menendez Pidal and for a long time others such as Swiss linguist Wilhelm Meyer Lubke Das Katalanische Heidelberg 1925 have supported the kinship of Occitan and Catalan Moreover the fact that Aragonese hasn t been studied as much as both Catalan and Occitan many people still label it as a Spanish dialect 4 From the 8th century to the 13th century there was no clear sociolinguistic distinction between Occitania and Catalonia For instance the Provencal troubadour Albertet de Sestaro says Monks tell me which according to your knowledge are better the French or the Catalans and here I shall put Gascony Provence Limousin Auvergne and Viennois while there shall be the land of the two kings 5 In Marseille a typical Provencal song is called Catalan song 6 Internal variation EditMost linguists separate Catalan and Occitan but both languages have been treated as one in studies by Occitan linguists attempting to classify the dialects of Occitan in supradialectal groups such is the case of Pierre Bec 7 and more recently of Domergue Sumien 8 Supradialectal classification of Occitano Romance according to P Bec Supradialectal classification of Occitano Romance according to D SumienBoth join together in an Aquitano Pyrenean or Pre Iberian group including Catalan Gascon and a part of Languedocien leaving the rest of Occitan in one Sumien Arverno Mediterranean or two groups Bec Arverno Mediterranean Central Occitan The answer to the question of whether Gascon or Catalan should be considered dialects of Occitan or separate languages has long been a matter of opinion or convention rather than based on scientific ground However two recent studies support Gascon s being considered a distinct language For the very first time a quantifiable statistics based approach was applied by Stephan Koppelberg in attempt to solve this issue 9 Based on the results he obtained he concludes that Catalan Occitan and Gascon should all be considered three distinct languages More recently Y Greub and J P Chambon Sorbonne University Paris demonstrated that the formation of Proto Gascon was already complete at the eve of the 7th century whereas Proto Occitan was not yet formed at that time 10 These results induced linguists to do away with the conventional classification of Gascon favoring the distinct language alternative citation needed Both studies supported the early intuition of late Kurt Baldinger a specialist of both medieval Occitan and medieval Gascon who recommended that Occitan and Gascon be classified as separate languages 11 12 Linguistic variation EditSimilarities between Catalan Occitan and Aragonese Edit Both Catalan and Occitan have apocope on terminal latin vowels Ĕ Ŭ later e o Latin Catalan Occitan SpanishOrthography IPA Orthography IPA Orthography IPATRUNCU M ˈt rʊŋ kʊ ˑ tronc tɾoŋ k tronc tɾuŋ k troncoLIGNṒSU M lʲɪŋˈn oː sʊ ˑ llenyos ʎeˈɲos lenhos leˈɲus lenosoThis evolution does not occur when the ellision of e or o results in a terminal consonant cluster Latin Old Occitan Catalan OccitanARBORE M ARBRE arbre arbreQUATTOR QUATRO quatre quatreA large part of the lexicon is shared and in general written words in Catalan and Occitan are mutually intelligible Similar to the differences in lexicon between Portuguese and Spanish although this is not always the case with spoken language and varies from dialect to dialect There are also notable cognates between Catalan Occitan and Aragonese English Latin Occitan Catalan Aragoneseold VECLA M vielha vella viellamiddle half MEDIU M mieg mig meyoI EGO ieu jo jo yoto follow SEQUERE seguir siegere seguir seguir e leaf FoLIA M fuolha fuelha fulla fuella folla Differences between Catalan and Occitan Edit Most of the differences of the vowel system stem from neutralizations that take place on unstressed syllables In both languages a stressed syllable has a great number of possible different vowels while phonologically different vowels end up being articulated in the same way in an unstressed syllable Although this neutralization is common to both languages the details differ markedly In Occitan the form of neutralization depends on whether a vowel is pretonic before the stressed syllable or posttonic after the stressed syllable For example ɔ articulates as u in pretonic position and as o in posttonic position and only as ɔ in stressed position In contrast neutralization in Catalan is the same regardless of the position of the unstressed syllable although it differs from dialect to dialect Many of these changes happened in the 14th or late 13th century Slightly older are the palatalizations present in Occitan before a palatal or velar consonant Occitan Catalan Englishvielha vella Oldmieg mig Middle Halfieu jo jo Iseguir seguir To followfuelha fulla LeafLexical comparison Edit Variations in the spellings and pronunciations of numbers in several Occitano Romance dialects 13 14 Numeral Occitan Catalan Aragonese 15 PROTO OcRmNorthern Occitan Western Occitan Eastern Occitan Eastern Catalan Northwestern CatalanAuvergnat Limousin Gascon Languedocien Provencal1 vyn vynɐ vun vuna ỹ ynɔ un una y yo un ua ỹ yno un una yŋ yno un una un une un una un una un una un uno una un uno una un una2 du dua dou duas du dua dos doas dys dyos dus duas dus duos dos doas dus duas dous douas dos dues 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