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Daimler Roadliner

The Daimler Roadliner was a single-decker bus and coach chassis built by Daimler between 1962 and 1972. Notoriously unreliable, it topped the 1993 poll by readers of Classic Bus as the worst bus type ever, beating the Guy Wulfrunian into second place. It was very technologically advanced, offering step-free access some 20 years before other buses; as a coach, it was felt by industry commentators to be in advance of contemporary UK designs.

Daimler Roadliner
Preserved Wolverhampton Corporation 1967 Daimler Roadliner at The Transport Museum, Wythall in September 2014
Overview
ManufacturerDaimler
British Leyland
Production1965 - 1972
AssemblyCoventry, England
Body and chassis
Doors1-2
Floor typeBus: Low floor
Coach: Step entrance
Powertrain
EngineDaimler (prototypes only)
Cummins V6
Perkins V8
AEC V8-810
TransmissionDaimatic/Self-Changing Gears 4-speed epicyclic
Allison Transmission MT41 torque converter
Dimensions
Length36 feet
Chronology
PredecessorDaimler Freeline

Background and prototypes edit

In 1960, Transport Vehicles (Daimler) Ltd, the commercial vehicle subsidiary of Daimler Company, launched its Fleetline double-decker at the Earls Court Commercial Motor show, this was the second British type of rear-engined double decker. Its major advantage over the Leyland Atlantean was that its patented concentric-drive gearbox enabled fitment as standard of a dropped-centre rear axle, allowing a body suitable for low bridges of 13 ft 5 in (4.09 m) high to have a centre-gangway seating plan for the full length of both decks. In comparison, the low-height Atlantean needed an awkward side-gangway abaft upstairs to allow legal internal headroom throughout.

The standard power unit for the Fleetline was the 150 bhp Gardner 6LX, which was the most economical diesel engine in its class, and regarded by many engineers as even more reliable than the Leyland O.600. By the end of 1962, 125 Fleetlines had been delivered and over 300 were on order. This pleased Daimler's new owner Jaguar Cars and Jaguar's MD Sir William Lyons allowed work to start in mid-1962 on a new single-decker chassis to replace the underfloor-engined Daimler Freeline.

Two were constructed to the newly allowed maximum dimensions of 36 ft (11 m) long and 8 ft 2+12 in (2.50 m) wide; they featured an identical drive layout to the Fleetline and shared with it a transverse rear-engine location. However, the power unit for these prototypes was a horizontal Daimler CD6 engine fitted with a turbocharger and arranged in the rear nearside corner of the chassis so that all ancillaries could be accessed from the engine's upper face. The radiator was mounted at the front and the chassis had conventional steel leaf springs. One was shown on the Daimler stand at the 1962 Commercial Motor Show, and a brochure was produced for the type, although production was not an immediate prospect, as the Daimler engine had ceased production. Customer interest in a modern Daimler single-decker bus was, however, strong enough for Lyons to give the go-ahead for a production bus of this type.

Instead of the complex transverse horizontal drive, the company decided to use a vertical longitudinal rear-engined layout. Instead of the very low horizontal frame of the first two chassis, this was slightly higher at the front and ramped gently upward and tapered outward toward the rear, where the Cummins VIM V6-200 engine was mounted. This 9.6-litre 90-degree V6 engine developed 192 bhp at 2600 rpm and was compact enough to fit under the rear seat on a bodied bus and allow drive to pass through a conventional Daimler SCG Daimatic four-speed semiautomatic gearbox to a straight spiral-bevel rear axle manufactured by Eaton, an electrically operated two-speed axle being optional. All-round air suspension was standard, with rubber and steel leaf options. Although some drawings show a front-mounted radiator, standard production versions had this mounted on the rear offside, as on the Fleetline. Other components such as the front axle, steering, brakes, driving controls, etc. were similar to those of the Fleetline. The model was announced as the Roadliner model SRC6-36, this was the third and last Daimler bus chassis to be given a model name, as well as an alphanumeric code.

A left-hand drive chassis and Duple Coachbuilders 51 seat coach demonstrator were shown at the 1964 show together with the first example sold to an operator, 6000EH of Potteries Motor Traction (PMT). The PMT bus had a 50-seat Marshall body to British Electric Traction style, featuring no steps and a slightly ramped floor up to the rear bench. The floor level was so low side-facing bench seats had to be fitted over both sets of wheelarches, a contemporary reviewer remarked the footstools to the front benches as rather high. This bus entered service in late 1964 and unprecedentedly the union branch operating it were so impressed, they sent a letter of congratulation to Daimler. The coach and a further Marshall bus started work from early 1965 as Daimler demonstrators, the coach in particular garnering a great deal of praise on its road tests.

Production edit

To begin with, it was intended to build the Cummins V6 in the UK in a joint-venture Jaguar-Cummins operation at the former Henry Meadows factory adjacent to Guy Motors in Wolverhampton, but this was not accomplished, and all the Cummins V6-200 engines for the UK were imported from Cummins' factory in Columbus, Indiana, United States. As well as powering the majority of Roadliners, the engine was the launch power unit for the Guy Big J lorry (Guy had been a Jaguar subsidiary since 1961) and was also fitted into Atkinson lorries, customers including Pickfords and the UK Ministry of Transport.

The first production Roadliners began to enter service during 1966. Early UK Roadliner customers were corporations in Wolverhampton and Sunderland, independents West Riding Automobile Company, Wakefield, and AA Motors, Ayr. PMT's first production batch arrived in 1966/67. By the end of production in 1972, 333 Roadliners had been built; besides the UK, examples had gone to Australia, Belgium, Canada, Poland, South Africa, Spain, and Switzerland. Plaxton bodied the most vehicles overall and the largest export territory was South Africa, which took the last examples built. The Municipal Tramways Trust in Adelaide purchased 35.[1]

Technical problems edit

Engine edit

The Cummins V6 had that manufacturer's patented intermediate-pressure fuel pump and governor system, supplying the fuel to open-cup injectors through internal drilled fuel galleries, four-valve cylinder heads and tappet-actuated injection. This made the engine less than suitable for slow-speed, stop-start work, even at the derated bus setting of 150 bhp at 2100 rpm. It was also a noisy unit in operation, said to sound like a contemporary Formula One racing car. Especially on the bus, work problems developed with damaged tappets, burnt valves, damaged valves, damaged pistons, damaged blocks, clogged injectors, cylinder-block failures, smoke emissions, and excessive wear, as well as roughness and noise in operation, a tendency to refuse to restart when hot, refusal to start in general, and endemic overheating, sometimes resulting in radiator caps being blown off and steam and scalding water jetting out behind the bus. Bournemouth Corporation had 17 engine replacements over 11 buses during the warranty period and PMT (the largest customer with 58 buses and six coaches) had two Cummins engineers permanently resident in Stoke-on-Trent assisting their engineers until 1969.

From 1966, Daimler began to fit an alternative engine from Perkins of Peterborough, this was their V8-510 unit, a 90-degree V8 of 8.36 litres with a conventional injection layout and a maximum output of 170 bhp at 2,800 rpm, so fitted the model code was SRP8.[2][3]

The final batch of Roadliners was fitted with the British Leyland 800-series V8-810, a 13.1-litre AEC-built 90-degree V8, developing 272 bhp at 2,600 revolutions/minute,[4] these were badged as Leylands and type SRL8. This power unit was discontinued soon after the Roadliner because it could not meet noise regulations.

Although these engines worked better than the Cummins, problems were still had with them.

Transmission system edit

Two problems occurred with the Daimatic transmission system; firstly with excessive wear, as with the Cummins, it was working at its design limits for power and torque, and but for the effects of altitude, it would have been way over its limits on the Pretoria buses. Secondly, drivers newly allocated the type had not driven a vehicle of equivalent power before, and most were not trained in the use of the semi-automatic gearbox, which lacked the engine-braking effect of a "solid" transmission. This resulted in many engine losses due to overspeeding; no easy way to control this was found, as the pure fluid flywheel form of transmission was used rather than a Leyland SCG-style lock-up clutch. Problems with the braking and transmission fed back on one another and exacerbated engine damage. PMT altered the change-speed control on some of its buses from electrical to pneumatic to slow down gear changes, but at the time and with the transmission system fitted,o installing an effective secondary braking system was not possible.

Most of the Canadian buses had the optional Allison Transmission torque-converter transmission, but the sole survivor now has a Detroit 6V-71 engine and a Fuller layshaft gearbox.

Chassis edit

Handling, braking, and tyre problems seemed to be endemic regardless of the suspension system used. The rubber (Metalastic 'Toggle-Link') suspension was of a unique design and difficult and expensive to repair.

Body edit

Problems with wear and tear on the bodywork were caused by chassis flexing, the latter exacerbated on dual-door bodies. The optional Clayton Compas automatic heating and ventilation system was both unreliable and very noisy.

The end edit

In 1966, Daimler launched a single-decker variant of the Fleetline and thereafter marketed the SRP8 as a coach chassis in the UK, the final demonstrator had a Plaxton semicoach body and was sold to City of Oxford Motor Service to work London expresses. In 1970, Daimler, now part of British Leyland, announced the end of Roadliner production.

Double-decker variants edit

The Spanish example was the sole double-decker bus Roadliner; it was exported in 1967, but not bodied until 1972. Autopullman of Madrid had it fitted with a 4 m (13 ft 1 in) body by Irizar and used it for sightseeing tours.

The Daimler CRC6-36 was a double-decker bus with a modified Roadliner driveline to take 86-seat, 11 x 2.5 m double-decker bodywork with twin staircases, the rearmost rising over the engine opposite an exit door in the rear overhang. One of these was sold to Walsall Corporation, and the other 16 went to Johannesburg. The Walsall bus, shown at Earls Court in 1968, is preserved at The Transport Museum, Wythall, which also has the last working Cummins-powered Roadliner, a former Wolverhampton bus.

Might have beens edit

Manchester Corporation persuaded Leyland to build the Leyland Panther Cub by threatening to order 33 ft (10 m) Roadliners, instead. Daimler announced a 17 ft wheelbase, 33-foot option on launch [5] but none was ever built. SRC6-33 would have been the type code.

In 1968, a 12 m (39 ft) version was announced as the SRC-40, but the only batch ordered was later cancelled.

Prior to the BLMC merger, Sir William Lyons had commissioned an all-alloy 6.7-litre V8 turbodiesel engine from Rolls-Royce; it was derived from the petrol engine used in the Silver Shadow car, examples were on test by the time British Leyland had been formed, but the project was cancelled on the orders of BLMC chief executive Lord Stokes.

References edit

  1. ^ The Daimler Roadliner Among Ourselves issue 136 December 1968 page 4
  2. ^ Perkins V8 for Roadliner Commercial Motor 9 August 1968
  3. ^ V8 Perkins for Daimler Roadliner Truck & Bus Transportation September 1968 page 138
  4. ^ British Leyland Motor Corporation. British Leyland Motor Corporation. 1969. p. 146.
  5. ^ Daimler Of Coventry. Daimler Transport Vehicles Ltd. 1966. p. eleven.

Further reading edit

  • Townsin, Daimler, Shepperton 2000
  • Townsin (ed) Buses Illustrated 116, Shepperton, November 1964
  • Brown, Half Cab Twilight, Harrow Weald 2001
  • Griffin, Once Heard, Never Forgotten..., in Morris (ed) Buses Extra 39, Weybridge 1986
  • Booth (ed) Classic Bus 7, Edinburgh, October 1993
  • Booth (ed) Bus Stop, Shepperton 1968
  • www.buslistsontheweb.co.uk

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This article includes a list of general references but it lacks sufficient corresponding inline citations Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations November 2018 Learn how and when to remove this message The Daimler Roadliner was a single decker bus and coach chassis built by Daimler between 1962 and 1972 Notoriously unreliable it topped the 1993 poll by readers of Classic Bus as the worst bus type ever beating the Guy Wulfrunian into second place It was very technologically advanced offering step free access some 20 years before other buses as a coach it was felt by industry commentators to be in advance of contemporary UK designs Daimler RoadlinerPreserved Wolverhampton Corporation 1967 Daimler Roadliner at The Transport Museum Wythall in September 2014OverviewManufacturerDaimlerBritish LeylandProduction1965 1972AssemblyCoventry EnglandBody and chassisDoors1 2Floor typeBus Low floorCoach Step entrancePowertrainEngineDaimler prototypes only Cummins V6Perkins V8AEC V8 810TransmissionDaimatic Self Changing Gears 4 speed epicyclicAllison Transmission MT41 torque converterDimensionsLength36 feetChronologyPredecessorDaimler Freeline Contents 1 Background and prototypes 2 Production 3 Technical problems 3 1 Engine 3 2 Transmission system 3 3 Chassis 3 4 Body 4 The end 5 Double decker variants 6 Might have beens 7 References 8 Further readingBackground and prototypes editIn 1960 Transport Vehicles Daimler Ltd the commercial vehicle subsidiary of Daimler Company launched its Fleetline double decker at the Earls Court Commercial Motor show this was the second British type of rear engined double decker Its major advantage over the Leyland Atlantean was that its patented concentric drive gearbox enabled fitment as standard of a dropped centre rear axle allowing a body suitable for low bridges of 13 ft 5 in 4 09 m high to have a centre gangway seating plan for the full length of both decks In comparison the low height Atlantean needed an awkward side gangway abaft upstairs to allow legal internal headroom throughout The standard power unit for the Fleetline was the 150 bhp Gardner 6LX which was the most economical diesel engine in its class and regarded by many engineers as even more reliable than the Leyland O 600 By the end of 1962 125 Fleetlines had been delivered and over 300 were on order This pleased Daimler s new owner Jaguar Cars and Jaguar s MD Sir William Lyons allowed work to start in mid 1962 on a new single decker chassis to replace the underfloor engined Daimler Freeline Two were constructed to the newly allowed maximum dimensions of 36 ft 11 m long and 8 ft 2 1 2 in 2 50 m wide they featured an identical drive layout to the Fleetline and shared with it a transverse rear engine location However the power unit for these prototypes was a horizontal Daimler CD6 engine fitted with a turbocharger and arranged in the rear nearside corner of the chassis so that all ancillaries could be accessed from the engine s upper face The radiator was mounted at the front and the chassis had conventional steel leaf springs One was shown on the Daimler stand at the 1962 Commercial Motor Show and a brochure was produced for the type although production was not an immediate prospect as the Daimler engine had ceased production Customer interest in a modern Daimler single decker bus was however strong enough for Lyons to give the go ahead for a production bus of this type Instead of the complex transverse horizontal drive the company decided to use a vertical longitudinal rear engined layout Instead of the very low horizontal frame of the first two chassis this was slightly higher at the front and ramped gently upward and tapered outward toward the rear where the Cummins VIM V6 200 engine was mounted This 9 6 litre 90 degree V6 engine developed 192 bhp at 2600 rpm and was compact enough to fit under the rear seat on a bodied bus and allow drive to pass through a conventional Daimler SCG Daimatic four speed semiautomatic gearbox to a straight spiral bevel rear axle manufactured by Eaton an electrically operated two speed axle being optional All round air suspension was standard with rubber and steel leaf options Although some drawings show a front mounted radiator standard production versions had this mounted on the rear offside as on the Fleetline Other components such as the front axle steering brakes driving controls etc were similar to those of the Fleetline The model was announced as the Roadliner model SRC6 36 this was the third and last Daimler bus chassis to be given a model name as well as an alphanumeric code A left hand drive chassis and Duple Coachbuilders 51 seat coach demonstrator were shown at the 1964 show together with the first example sold to an operator 6000EH of Potteries Motor Traction PMT The PMT bus had a 50 seat Marshall body to British Electric Traction style featuring no steps and a slightly ramped floor up to the rear bench The floor level was so low side facing bench seats had to be fitted over both sets of wheelarches a contemporary reviewer remarked the footstools to the front benches as rather high This bus entered service in late 1964 and unprecedentedly the union branch operating it were so impressed they sent a letter of congratulation to Daimler The coach and a further Marshall bus started work from early 1965 as Daimler demonstrators the coach in particular garnering a great deal of praise on its road tests Production editTo begin with it was intended to build the Cummins V6 in the UK in a joint venture Jaguar Cummins operation at the former Henry Meadows factory adjacent to Guy Motors in Wolverhampton but this was not accomplished and all the Cummins V6 200 engines for the UK were imported from Cummins factory in Columbus Indiana United States As well as powering the majority of Roadliners the engine was the launch power unit for the Guy Big J lorry Guy had been a Jaguar subsidiary since 1961 and was also fitted into Atkinson lorries customers including Pickfords and the UK Ministry of Transport The first production Roadliners began to enter service during 1966 Early UK Roadliner customers were corporations in Wolverhampton and Sunderland independents West Riding Automobile Company Wakefield and AA Motors Ayr PMT s first production batch arrived in 1966 67 By the end of production in 1972 333 Roadliners had been built besides the UK examples had gone to Australia Belgium Canada Poland South Africa Spain and Switzerland Plaxton bodied the most vehicles overall and the largest export territory was South Africa which took the last examples built The Municipal Tramways Trust in Adelaide purchased 35 1 Technical problems editEngine edit The Cummins V6 had that manufacturer s patented intermediate pressure fuel pump and governor system supplying the fuel to open cup injectors through internal drilled fuel galleries four valve cylinder heads and tappet actuated injection This made the engine less than suitable for slow speed stop start work even at the derated bus setting of 150 bhp at 2100 rpm It was also a noisy unit in operation said to sound like a contemporary Formula One racing car Especially on the bus work problems developed with damaged tappets burnt valves damaged valves damaged pistons damaged blocks clogged injectors cylinder block failures smoke emissions and excessive wear as well as roughness and noise in operation a tendency to refuse to restart when hot refusal to start in general and endemic overheating sometimes resulting in radiator caps being blown off and steam and scalding water jetting out behind the bus Bournemouth Corporation had 17 engine replacements over 11 buses during the warranty period and PMT the largest customer with 58 buses and six coaches had two Cummins engineers permanently resident in Stoke on Trent assisting their engineers until 1969 From 1966 Daimler began to fit an alternative engine from Perkins of Peterborough this was their V8 510 unit a 90 degree V8 of 8 36 litres with a conventional injection layout and a maximum output of 170 bhp at 2 800 rpm so fitted the model code was SRP8 2 3 The final batch of Roadliners was fitted with the British Leyland 800 series V8 810 a 13 1 litre AEC built 90 degree V8 developing 272 bhp at 2 600 revolutions minute 4 these were badged as Leylands and type SRL8 This power unit was discontinued soon after the Roadliner because it could not meet noise regulations Although these engines worked better than the Cummins problems were still had with them Transmission system edit Two problems occurred with the Daimatic transmission system firstly with excessive wear as with the Cummins it was working at its design limits for power and torque and but for the effects of altitude it would have been way over its limits on the Pretoria buses Secondly drivers newly allocated the type had not driven a vehicle of equivalent power before and most were not trained in the use of the semi automatic gearbox which lacked the engine braking effect of a solid transmission This resulted in many engine losses due to overspeeding no easy way to control this was found as the pure fluid flywheel form of transmission was used rather than a Leyland SCG style lock up clutch Problems with the braking and transmission fed back on one another and exacerbated engine damage PMT altered the change speed control on some of its buses from electrical to pneumatic to slow down gear changes but at the time and with the transmission system fitted o installing an effective secondary braking system was not possible Most of the Canadian buses had the optional Allison Transmission torque converter transmission but the sole survivor now has a Detroit 6V 71 engine and a Fuller layshaft gearbox Chassis edit Handling braking and tyre problems seemed to be endemic regardless of the suspension system used The rubber Metalastic Toggle Link suspension was of a unique design and difficult and expensive to repair Body edit Problems with wear and tear on the bodywork were caused by chassis flexing the latter exacerbated on dual door bodies The optional Clayton Compas automatic heating and ventilation system was both unreliable and very noisy The end editIn 1966 Daimler launched a single decker variant of the Fleetline and thereafter marketed the SRP8 as a coach chassis in the UK the final demonstrator had a Plaxton semicoach body and was sold to City of Oxford Motor Service to work London expresses In 1970 Daimler now part of British Leyland announced the end of Roadliner production Double decker variants editThe Spanish example was the sole double decker bus Roadliner it was exported in 1967 but not bodied until 1972 Autopullman of Madrid had it fitted with a 4 m 13 ft 1 in body by Irizar and used it for sightseeing tours The Daimler CRC6 36 was a double decker bus with a modified Roadliner driveline to take 86 seat 11 x 2 5 m double decker bodywork with twin staircases the rearmost rising over the engine opposite an exit door in the rear overhang One of these was sold to Walsall Corporation and the other 16 went to Johannesburg The Walsall bus shown at Earls Court in 1968 is preserved at The Transport Museum Wythall which also has the last working Cummins powered Roadliner a former Wolverhampton bus Might have beens editManchester Corporation persuaded Leyland to build the Leyland Panther Cub by threatening to order 33 ft 10 m Roadliners instead Daimler announced a 17 ft wheelbase 33 foot option on launch 5 but none was ever built SRC6 33 would have been the type code In 1968 a 12 m 39 ft version was announced as the SRC 40 but the only batch ordered was later cancelled Prior to the BLMC merger Sir William Lyons had commissioned an all alloy 6 7 litre V8 turbodiesel engine from Rolls Royce it was derived from the petrol engine used in the Silver Shadow car examples were on test by the time British Leyland had been formed but the project was cancelled on the orders of BLMC chief executive Lord Stokes References edit nbsp Buses portal nbsp Wikimedia Commons has media related to Daimler Roadliner The Daimler Roadliner Among Ourselves issue 136 December 1968 page 4 Perkins V8 for Roadliner Commercial Motor 9 August 1968 V8 Perkins for Daimler Roadliner Truck amp Bus Transportation September 1968 page 138 British Leyland Motor Corporation British Leyland Motor Corporation 1969 p 146 Daimler Of Coventry Daimler Transport Vehicles Ltd 1966 p eleven Further reading editTownsin Daimler Shepperton 2000 Townsin ed Buses Illustrated 116 Shepperton November 1964 Brown Half Cab Twilight Harrow Weald 2001 Griffin Once Heard Never Forgotten in Morris ed Buses Extra 39 Weybridge 1986 Booth ed Classic Bus 7 Edinburgh October 1993 Booth ed Bus Stop Shepperton 1968 www buslistsontheweb co uk Retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title Daimler Roadliner amp oldid 1218640121, wikipedia, wiki, book, books, library,

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