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Talbot (dog breed)

The Talbot (also known as the St. Hubert Hound) was a type of hunting hound common in England during the Middle Ages. It is depicted in art of the period as small to medium-sized, white in colour, with short legs, large powerful feet, a deep chest with a slender waist, long drooping ears, and a very long curled tail. It is shown in one well-known example at Haddon Hall with a fierce facial expression. It is now extinct, but is believed to be an ancestor of the modern Beagle[1] and Bloodhound.[2] It is uncertain whether it was a scenthound (bred for the quality of its nose), a sighthound (bred for the quality of sight and speed), or a dog used for digging out quarry, nor is it known what type of quarry it hunted, whether deer, fox, boar, etc.

Talbot Hound
Talbot Hound, 1445 depiction
OriginUncertain, possibly Belgium / France (Normandy) or England
Breed statusExtinct
Dog (domestic dog)
A Talbot Hound depicted in 1445 behind John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, presenting a book to Margaret of Anjou, Queen of England (illuminated miniature, Talbot Shrewsbury Book, British Library, Royal 15 E VI f. 2v)
15th c. depiction of a Talbot Hound at Haddon Hall, Derbyshire, made following the marriage of Sir Henry Vernon (1445-1515) to Ann Talbot, daughter of John Talbot, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury

History edit

 
Crest of Carter of Castle Martin: a Talbot standing on a mural crown, 1891 artist's impression

In medieval times, "Talbot" was a common name for an individual hound, as used before 1400 in Chaucer's The Nun's Priest's Tale (line 3383), and is used as an example of a hound name in George Turberville's 1575 work The Noble Art of Venerie or Huntyng.[3]

By the 17th century it clearly existed as a breed or type. Large, heavy, slow hounds were "talbot-like", whatever their colour, though the "milk white" was "the true talbot".[4] In his poem "The Chase",[5] published in 1735, William Somervile describes the use of "lime-hounds" (leash hounds) on the Scottish Borders to catch thieves, obviously referring to the Bloodhound and the sleuth hound, but adds that the (white) Talbot was the "prime" example of this type of hound.

The origin of both the name and the animal is uncertain. In a quotation from about 1449, the king referred to John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury as "Talbott, oure good dogge", perhaps as a play on his name, or in allusion to that family's heraldic badge.[6] In a 1445 illuminated manuscript in the British Library[7] John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury is depicted presenting a Book of Romances to Queen Margaret of Anjou, with a short-legged and long-eared white hound standing behind him, which serves to identify him symbolically. It is very similar to a 15th-century depiction on a ceiling at Haddon Hall, Derbyshire, made following the marriage of Sir Henry Vernon (1445-1515) to Ann Talbot, daughter of John Talbot, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury.

 
Talbot Hounds Fountain in Trevelyan Square, Leeds, a modern imaginary image of the Talbot

The Talbot and the Greyhound were, apparently, the only hounds used in English heraldry, and it could be that the Talbot originated as an emblematic or heraldic hound.[8] References to this heraldic Talbot seem to be earlier than any references to a real dog.[6] The Talbot appears in many coats of arms, for instance in later ones of the Earls of Shrewsbury, in which two Talbots appear as supporters.[9]

It is quite plausible that from these beginnings the name "Talbot" was extended to any large, heavy, white scent hound, and from there helped to establish a breed or type. It was certainly similar to the Bloodhound ("white" is given as one of the colours of the Bloodhound in the 16th and 17th centuries)[10] as regards size, and as regards use to a leash-hound.[4]

As earliest references to this dog are much later than those to Bloodhounds, it cannot convincingly be regarded as an ancestor of the Bloodhound.

The Talbot seems to have existed as a breed, a little distinct from the Bloodhound, until the end of the 18th century,[11] after which, like two other large breeds to which it may have been related, the Northern Hound and the Southern Hound, it disappeared. Some early dog-shows apparently offered classes for Talbots, but attracted no entrants, so they were dropped.

Cultural legacy edit

Public house signs edit

"The Talbot" (or "Talbot Arms") is most familiar as a name of English public houses or inns and is usually depicted on the signs as a large white hound with hanging ears, sometimes with spots. Heraldic inn signs usually displayed the arms or heraldic badges of the lord of the manor in which they were situated, who was probably the owner of the freehold interest, together with that of most other houses in the village.[12] As the Talbot family possessed countless manors throughout England, the sign would have been well-known. Such signs helped to identify the inn for the illiterate. An inn called The Talbot in Iwerne Minster, Dorset, U.K., showed as its sign a black dog, apparently the crest of the Bower family, who owned the manor from the late Middle Ages till 1876.[13] The "Talbot Inn" in Mells, Somerset is an allusion to the arms of the Horner family of Mells Manor: Sable, three talbots argent, the arms being possibly a play on the surname as hunting hounds are controlled by the blowing of horns.

Arms of Sudbury edit

The mayor and corporation of the market town of Sudbury, Suffolk, has for arms: Sable, a talbot hound sejeant argent on a chief gules a lion passant guardant between two fleurs-de-lys or (a white hound sitting erect). The crest is A talbot head and neck erased. Such a hound is also used as a logo for a local school and for many local sports clubs. The dog is always depicted with its tongue protruding. This refers to Simon de Sudbury (c.1316–1381), Archbishop of Canterbury and Lord Chancellor of England, born in the town, whose coat of arms was A talbot hound sejeant within a bordure engrailed, as is visible sculpted in stone on a wall in the nave of the Canterbury Cathedral.[14]

Other edit

 
Arms of the Marquess of Sligo; the Talbot is the dexter supporter, on the left side of the image

The arms of the Carter family of Castle Martin (see Carter-Campbell of Possil) include a Talbot. The arms of the Earls Waldegrave have supporters of two Talbots. The Talbot Hound was also the symbol of Weston Road High School in the county town of Stafford, Staffordshire. It used to be used in all school stationery and was displayed as white on a navy blue background on ties and jumpers in the school uniform. It was removed when Weston Road became an academy. The Talbot also appears as a supporter in the arms of the Marquess of Sligo. The Earl of Talbot and Shrewsbury coat of arms was used on Talbot cars manufactured at a purpose-built factory at Barlby Road, Kensington, London and sold as Talbots until 1937. It is now used on the logo of the Talbot Owners' Club.

The arms of Bournemouth University have three Talbots on the shield, a reference to there being a University Campus on Talbot Heath.

United States edit

Hampton High School, a school from the township of Hampton, from the small town of Allison Park, Pennsylvania, is the only high school in the United States that has the Talbot as its mascot.

References edit

  1. ^ "The Beagle". Buzzle.com. Retrieved 2014-05-13.
  2. ^ "Mac Barwick's History: Chapter VI". Bloodhounds.org.uk. Retrieved 2014-05-13.
  3. ^ "Turberville, George (1575) The Noble Art of Venerie or Huntyng". Retrieved 2014-05-13.
  4. ^ a b Markham, Gervaise (1605). Country Contentments or the Husbandman's Recreations.
  5. ^ Somerville, William (1735). The Chase Book 1 Ll282-335.
  6. ^ a b The Oxford English Dictionary
  7. ^ "The British Library Catalogue of Illuminated Manuscripts". Bl.uk. 2003-11-30. Retrieved 2014-05-13.
  8. ^ Lampson S. M. "The Mystery of the Talbot Hound" in Country Life 1965
  9. ^ "Earl of Shrewsbury". Hereditarytitles.com. Archived from the original on 2013-01-25. Retrieved 2014-05-13.
  10. ^ Topsell, Edward (1607), The History of Four Footed Beasts
  11. ^ Edwards, Sydenham Teak (1800), Cynographia Britannica
  12. ^ For example, the Dolphin Inn in the village of Kenton, Devon, on the Powderham Castle estate of the Courtenay family, whose heraldic badge is a dolphin
  13. ^ Barrett, Barry. Iwerne Minster St Mary's Church & Village Story.
  14. ^ See image

External links edit

  • 15th-century English painting of a Talbot
  • Heathcoat Armory
  • The only public school in the United States known to have the Talbot as its mascot is the Hampton Township School District 2014-06-07 at the Wayback Machine

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William Somervile describes the use of lime hounds leash hounds on the Scottish Borders to catch thieves obviously referring to the Bloodhound and the sleuth hound but adds that the white Talbot was the prime example of this type of hound The origin of both the name and the animal is uncertain In a quotation from about 1449 the king referred to John Talbot 1st Earl of Shrewsbury as Talbott oure good dogge perhaps as a play on his name or in allusion to that family s heraldic badge 6 In a 1445 illuminated manuscript in the British Library 7 John Talbot 1st Earl of Shrewsbury is depicted presenting a Book of Romances to Queen Margaret of Anjou with a short legged and long eared white hound standing behind him which serves to identify him symbolically It is very similar to a 15th century depiction on a ceiling at Haddon Hall Derbyshire made following the marriage of Sir Henry Vernon 1445 1515 to Ann Talbot daughter of John Talbot 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury nbsp Talbot Hounds Fountain in Trevelyan Square Leeds a modern imaginary image of the Talbot The Talbot and the Greyhound were apparently the only hounds used in English heraldry and it could be that the Talbot originated as an emblematic or heraldic hound 8 References to this heraldic Talbot seem to be earlier than any references to a real dog 6 The Talbot appears in many coats of arms for instance in later ones of the Earls of Shrewsbury in which two Talbots appear as supporters 9 1 It is quite plausible that from these beginnings the name Talbot was extended to any large heavy white scent hound and from there helped to establish a breed or type It was certainly similar to the Bloodhound white is given as one of the colours of the Bloodhound in the 16th and 17th centuries 10 as regards size and as regards use to a leash hound 4 As earliest references to this dog are much later than those to Bloodhounds it cannot convincingly be regarded as an ancestor of the Bloodhound The Talbot seems to have existed as a breed a little distinct from the Bloodhound until the end of the 18th century 11 after which like two other large breeds to which it may have been related the Northern Hound and the Southern Hound it disappeared Some early dog shows apparently offered classes for Talbots but attracted no entrants so they were dropped Cultural legacy editPublic house signs edit The Talbot or Talbot Arms is most familiar as a name of English public houses or inns and is usually depicted on the signs as a large white hound with hanging ears sometimes with spots Heraldic inn signs usually displayed the arms or heraldic badges of the lord of the manor in which they were situated who was probably the owner of the freehold interest together with that of most other houses in the village 12 As the Talbot family possessed countless manors throughout England the sign would have been well known Such signs helped to identify the inn for the illiterate An inn called The Talbot in Iwerne Minster Dorset U K showed as its sign a black dog apparently the crest of the Bower family who owned the manor from the late Middle Ages till 1876 13 The Talbot Inn in Mells Somerset is an allusion to the arms of the Horner family of Mells Manor Sable three talbots argent the arms being possibly a play on the surname as hunting hounds are controlled by the blowing of horns Arms of Sudbury edit The mayor and corporation of the market town of Sudbury Suffolk has for arms Sable a talbot hound sejeant argent on a chief gules a lion passant guardant between two fleurs de lys or a white hound sitting erect The crest is A talbot head and neck erased Such a hound is also used as a logo for a local school and for many local sports clubs The dog is always depicted with its tongue protruding This refers to Simon de Sudbury c 1316 1381 Archbishop of Canterbury and Lord Chancellor of England born in the town whose coat of arms was A talbot hound sejeant within a bordure engrailed as is visible sculpted in stone on a wall in the nave of the Canterbury Cathedral 14 Other edit nbsp Arms of the Marquess of Sligo the Talbot is the dexter supporter on the left side of the image The arms of the Carter family of Castle Martin see Carter Campbell of Possil include a Talbot The arms of the Earls Waldegrave have supporters of two Talbots The Talbot Hound was also the symbol of Weston Road High School in the county town of Stafford Staffordshire It used to be used in all school stationery and was displayed as white on a navy blue background on ties and jumpers in the school uniform It was removed when Weston Road became an academy The Talbot also appears as a supporter in the arms of the Marquess of Sligo The Earl of Talbot and Shrewsbury coat of arms was used on Talbot cars manufactured at a purpose built factory at Barlby Road Kensington London and sold as Talbots until 1937 It is now used on the logo of the Talbot Owners Club The arms of Bournemouth University have three Talbots on the shield a reference to there being a University Campus on Talbot Heath United States editHampton High School a school from the township of Hampton from the small town of Allison Park Pennsylvania is the only high school in the United States that has the Talbot as its mascot References edit The Beagle Buzzle com Retrieved 2014 05 13 Mac Barwick s History Chapter VI Bloodhounds org uk Retrieved 2014 05 13 Turberville George 1575 The Noble Art of Venerie or Huntyng Retrieved 2014 05 13 a b Markham Gervaise 1605 Country Contentments or theHusbandman s Recreations Somerville William 1735 The Chase Book 1 Ll282 335 a b The Oxford English Dictionary The British Library Catalogue of Illuminated Manuscripts Bl uk 2003 11 30 Retrieved 2014 05 13 Lampson S M The Mystery of the Talbot Hound in Country Life 1965 Earl of Shrewsbury Hereditarytitles com Archived from the original on 2013 01 25 Retrieved 2014 05 13 Topsell Edward 1607 The History of Four Footed Beasts Edwards Sydenham Teak 1800 Cynographia Britannica For example the Dolphin Inn in the village of Kenton Devon on the Powderham Castle estate of the Courtenay family whose heraldic badge is a dolphin Barrett Barry Iwerne Minster St Mary s Church amp Village Story See imageExternal links edit nbsp Wikimedia Commons has media related to Talbot dog 15th century English painting of a Talbot Heathcoat Armory The only public school in the United States known to have the Talbot as its mascot is the Hampton Township School District Archived 2014 06 07 at the Wayback Machine Retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title Talbot dog breed amp oldid 1213655072, wikipedia, wiki, book, books, library,

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