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Flamin' Groovies

Flamin' Groovies is an American rock band that formed in San Francisco in 1965, originally co-led by Roy Loney and Cyril Jordan.[5][6] After the Groovies released three albums, on Epic (Supersnazz) and Kama Sutra (Flamingo and Teenage Head), Loney left the band in 1971. He was replaced as co-leader by Chris Wilson, and the band's emphasis shifted more toward British Invasion power pop.[7][8]

Flamin' Groovies
Also known asThe Flamin' Groovies
OriginSan Francisco, California, U.S.
Genres
Years active1965–1991, 2004, 2009, 2013–present
Labels
Members
Past members
  • Roy Loney (deceased)
  • George Alexander
  • Tim Lynch
  • Danny Mihm (deceased)
  • James Ferrell
  • Terry Rae
  • David Wright
  • Mike Wilhelm (deceased)
  • Autumn Eyles
  • Mark Dunwoody (deceased)
  • Bobby Ronco (deceased)
  • Jack Johnson
  • Paul Zahl
  • Victor Penalosa
Websitehttp://www.theflamingroovies.com/

The band signed to United Artists Records in 1972, releasing just three more singles until 1976. The Groovies then signed to Sire Records and released three albums between 1976 and 1979, Shake Some Action, Flamin' Groovies Now (both produced by Dave Edmunds at Rockfield Studios in Wales) and Jumpin' in the Night. The 1976 album's title track "Shake Some Action" (also released as a single) became a power pop anthem and is revered by many, including Greil Marcus in his book, The History of Rock and Roll in Ten Songs. Wilson left the band in 1981, and the band continued in various forms, including the release of three more albums, before breaking up in 1991. After a couple of limited reunions with different lineups, the 1970s nucleus of Jordan, Wilson, and Alexander reformed the group in 2013, and the band's first post-reunion album, Fantastic Plastic, was released in 2017. Alexander left the reformed band in 2017, and in 2019 Wilson went on hiatus.

In addition to the band's role in the advancement of power pop, the Flamin' Groovies have also been called one of the forerunners of punk rock.[9]

Career edit

Beginnings edit

Roy Loney[10][11][12][13][14][15] and Tim Lynch,[16][17][18][19] who met in first grade, had put together a Kingston Trio-type folk band with guitars when they were in junior high and high school.[20] Beginning in 1965, after adding their friend George Alexander (whom they told to learn bass), they became a Rolling Stones-influenced rock band with drummer Ron Greco.[20] Greco knew a 15-year-old lead guitarist named Cyril Jordan,[21] who quickly became a part of the group, although Greco then left and was replaced by Danny Mihm.[20][22] After playing together for about three years under various group names and not getting any record company offers, they decided to put up their own money and make their own EP, which they could also use as a label demo.[20] That EP, 1968's Sneakers, was recorded on 4-track and mixed in about eight hours total[20][22] and featured Jordan (guitar, vocals), Loney (vocals, guitar), Alexander (bass, harmonica, vocals), Lynch (guitar, harmonica, vocals) and Mihm (drums).[7] As a result of its success, they were signed to a contract by Epic Records; at about the same time, their manager leased The Fillmore from Bill Graham, and they became managers of the venue, which introduced them to a much wider variety of music, including The Stooges and Alice Cooper.[20][23]

During this period, they released 1969's Supersnazz.[7] In Loney's words, the album was "all over the map" and "kinda grasping at every possible straw";[20] it contained both re-creations of 1950s rock and roll and more melodic songs that anticipated the power pop movement of the 1970s—a genre to which the Flamin' Groovies would eventually contribute significant work. However, the album's low sales led to their release by Epic.[7] They then started doing national tours, and their further exposure to Detroit's musical scene "hardened up our sound a whole lot", in Loney's words.[20]

At the instigation of Richard Robinson (a journalist and the Groovies' future producer), the Groovies then signed to Kama Sutra Records for their next two albums, 1970's Flamingo and 1971's Teenage Head.[7] Jordan was unhappy with the sound quality of Flamingo."[22][24] Teenage Head is listed in the 2006 book 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die, and Mick Jagger reportedly compared the album favorably to the Rolling Stones' contemporaneous Sticky Fingers.[25]

Despite the critical plaudits, though, neither album sold well, which caused Loney and Lynch to lose interest and left the Groovies in limbo about their future.[20][22] Loney (a rockabilly and blues aficionado) and Jordan (who leaned more to Beatle-style pop) also clashed over the band's direction,[26] leading to a meme that "Roy is the Stones guy, Cyril is the Beatles guy".[27] Jordan, however, felt the band was just evolving.[22] Tim Lynch then left the band and was replaced by James Ferrell,[20] shortly before the Groovies played a concert for the closing of the Fillmore West that was broadcast live on local San Francisco radio station KSAN.[28][29]

Isolation and success edit

Not long after the KSAN concert, Loney also left the band and was replaced by 18-year-old singer and guitarist Chris Wilson, who, along with Jordan, began to move the group in a more overtly power pop direction.[7][8] Alexander had become friends with British music executive Andrew Lauder,[20] and in 1972, the band reached a deal to sign with Lauder's United Artists Records ("UA") and to record with British producer Dave Edmunds at Rockfield Studios in Wales,[30][31] even though the U.S. division of UA had already turned down the band.[26][32][33] The Groovies moved to Britain, where they remained for the rest of 1972,[24] but the UA deal was never expanded beyond two single releases, "Slow Death"/"Tallahassee Lassie" and "Married Woman"/"Get a Shot of Rhythm and Blues", which United Artists preferred to Edmunds and the band's choices "Shake Some Action" and "You Tore Me Down".[34] However, "Slow Death", an anti-drug song that Jordan had written with Loney, was banned by the BBC for using the word "morphine", which killed the momentum behind the signing.[24] All seven songs recorded in 1972 by the Groovies for UA (the six named above plus Chuck Berry's "Little Queenie") were released in 1995 by EMI on the A Bucket of Brains album.[35]

The failure of these singles effectively left the band in limbo for two years.[7] During this lull, drummer Danny Mihm also left the band, replaced first by Terry Rae and ultimately by David Wright.[24] In 1973, the Groovies re-recorded "Shake Some Action" as part of a deal with Capitol Records, but executive turnover at Capitol blocked that deal before the contracts were signed.[24][36] In an effort to gain some leverage, the band agreed to release the Edmunds-produced version of "You Tore Me Down" as the first single on the brand-new Bomp! Records label in 1974.[36][37] Some of the various released and unreleased recordings made and produced by the Groovies during this period (six demos from 1971, "Tallahassee Lassie" from 1972, one TV recording from 1972, and the two Capitol demos from 1973) were later collected on the 2002 Norton album Slow Death.[24][38]

Finally, in 1975, Greg Shaw from Bomp! became the Flamin' Groovies' manager and arranged for them to sign to the new (but poorly distributed) label Sire Records, headed by Seymour Stein.[39] Due to that, the Groovies returned to the UK and recorded and released (in 1976) Shake Some Action, again produced by Edmunds, which included the same recordings of two songs ("Shake Some Action" and "You Tore Me Down") that United Artists had passed on in 1972 but Stein loved.[22][24] The album received rave critical reviews, similar to Teenage Head.[26][40] The Groovies continued to tour continually and were supported by the Ramones and The Stranglers at the Roundhouse in London on July 4, 1976 (which was coincidentally the US's bicentennial) in the former band's first ever appearance in the UK. This concert has been widely noted as a seminal moment in the development of punk rock.[41][42][43][44][45][46][47][48]

Sire's distribution was taken over by Warner Bros. Records in 1977, and so the Groovies returned to a major label; however, shortly before that, James Ferrell, who had been unhappy with the band's "Beatle-esque" direction,[49] was fired and replaced by Mike Wilhelm, who had previously played with Wilson in the San Francisco band "Loose Gravel".[35] The band then recorded two albums for Sire/Warners, 1978's Flamin' Groovies Now, once more produced by Dave Edmunds, and 1979's Jumpin' in the Night, produced by Jordan and Roger Bechirian.[7] Wilson felt that Now was his favorite album and the band with Edmunds was in "one of our most creative times".[26] However, Sire gave the album little promotion, and it didn't sell appreciably better.[26] Edmunds also intended to produce Jumpin' in the Night, but, according to Wilson, his new manager Jake Riviera blocked him from doing so.[26] Both albums included several covers of older material from other artists, which became an issue between Jordan, who wanted to include the covers (because he was trying to renegotiate his publishing rights with Sire), and Wilson, who did not.[30][34] According to Jordan, during this period Warners also released a punk rock songbook that featured the Sex Pistols. the Ramones, and the Groovies.[50]

Breakup edit

The commercial failure of Jumpin' in the Night, as well as clashes between Jordan and Stein, led Sire to drop the Flamin' Groovies in 1980,[51] although the band nevertheless added keyboardist Mark Dunwoody.[52] Then, a failed recording session at Gold Star Studios in 1981 for a new album tentatively called Tour de Force[53] (in which only five complete songs were recorded in a three-week period, but four of them were covers)[51] and the widening personal differences between Jordan and Wilson led both David Wright and Chris Wilson to quit the Groovies, with Wilson's departure taking place on Halloween night 1981.[7][26][34] Wilson called the Gold Star sessions "a complete debacle" and referred to the time as being "like a messy family divorce";[26] all of the Groovies blamed the collapse of the Gold Star sessions on excessive drug use.[51] As Jordan admitted, "We got tired. We were beaten up and cast aside, and the feeling was that this thing’s over, and you couldn’t stop that feeling with anybody in the band because it looked like it was."[30] Despite that, Jordan and Alexander added new members, including the return of drummer Danny Mihm, and resumed touring.[30]

However, after Wilhelm, Mihm and Dunwoody all left in 1982,[52][54] the Flamin' Groovies once again had to reform. Later in the 1980s, the Groovies, now including Jordan, Alexander, guitarist-vocalist Jack Johnson, and drummer Paul Zahl, became involved with an Australian promoter named Peter Noble (the owner of AIM Records), who began to issue various Groovies live and studio recordings and reissue prior albums.[55][56] After a 1987 live-in-the-studio recording in Australia for AIM entitled One Night Stand,[7] and Sire/Warner's release of a 1989 greatest hits album focused on the Jordan-Wilson recordings entitled Groovies' Greatest Grooves, Noble put the Groovies on a financially mismanaged 80-day, 80-city tour of Europe, which shattered the group.[22] The Groovies finally disbanded in 1991, with their last releases being the AIM compilation of demos entitled Step Up in 1991 and the post-breakup album Rock Juice (which used several of the same backing tracks as Step Up, according to Alexander) in 1993.[22][30][57]

Post-breakup and partial reunions edit

In 1979, Roy Loney formed the Phantom Movers featuring two other former Groovies, drummer Danny Mihm and guitarist James Ferrell, as well as Larry Lea (guitar) and Maurice Tani (bass). The band released several albums between 1979 and 1993[58][59] as well as a greatest hits CD (A Hundred Miles an Hour 1978-1989 on the Raven label out of Australia).[60] Loney and Lea continued to work together after the band folded.[59]

In 1995, "Shake Some Action" appeared in the movie Clueless, which regenerated interest in the group.[61] Loney, Mihm and Ferrell, who were then playing together in a band called the Fondellas, tried to put a Groovies reunion together to capitalize on that interest, which had been further fueled by re-releases of Flamingo and Teenage Head, but Jordan wasn't interested at that time.[59]

The Flamin' Groovies headlined the Azkena Rock Festival in Mendizabala, Spain, on September 11, 2004, although Jordan was the only member of the pre-1981 band who participated.[62]

In 2005, Jordan founded a new band, Magic Christian, which released a self-titled double album in 2005 and the album Evolver in 2009.[63]

In 2009, Loney and Jordan reunited and embarked on a brief tour, backed by members of the A-Bones and Yo La Tengo,[39] including the Ponderosa Stomp in April.[64] The tour focused on the Groovies' pre-1972 catalog, omitting the later songs; Jordan noted that, despite the band's continuing popularity, "when I did that tour with Roy, . . . the halls didn’t exactly fill up."[39] During an English date on this tour, Jordan reconnected with Wilson, who was then living in England (and who had joined The Barracudas and the Fortunate Sons there in the 1980s after leaving the Groovies).[30][65]

One result of the Loney/Jordan tour were more reunions on the 2010 Chris Wilson album Love Over Money. George Alexander, Roy Loney, James Ferrell and Mike Wilhelm all appear on the CD, as does Procol Harum's keyboard legend Matthew Fisher and Barracudas guitarist Robin Wills. The album was released on the French label Rock Paradise. Wilson then followed this up with the 2013 album It's Flamin' Groovy, which featured the same musicians as previously plus three songs with both Alexander and Cyril Jordan.[34]

1980s Groovies keyboardist Mark Dunwoody, who also played with the Phantom Movers, died of a heart attack on June 12, 2013.[66] Guitarist Mike Wilhelm (1976-1982) died from cancer on May 14, 2019.[67] Drummer Danny Mihm died on March 26, 2020, following a stroke.[68]

Reunion edit

Beginning in late 2012, following the "reunions" on Wilson's solo albums, Jordan and Wilson considered reforming and relaunching the band. Said Jordan, "the Flamin' Groovies Shake Some Action version makes way more money and did make way more money in the '70s than the Roy Loney version ever did. So it was a no-brainer to put that second version back together again and see if we could make some good money."[22] That second Groovies line-up of Jordan, Wilson, and Alexander (with the addition of Victor Penalosa on drums) played live for the first time since their 1981 split in Australia (Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, and Perth) as part of the Hoodoo Gurus' invitational Dig It Up in April 2013.[22][34][69] Jordan noted that the band received $75,000 for six or seven shows on the tour, which was enough money to overcome the band's post-breakup geographic spread.[22] The Groovies then played a series of sold-out shows in Japan.[34] Their next show, in San Francisco at The Elbo Room on May 4, sold out in less than 24 hours, and Loney even attended.[27]

As a result, Jordan, Wilson, and Alexander decided to reform the Flamin' Groovies and to record a new album.[34][70] Their first release was a limited-edition single (on vinyl) in 2016 to commemorate the band's 50th anniversary entitled "Crazy Macy" b/w "Let Me Rock",[71] followed by the album Fantastic Plastic, which was released in September 2017.[70] The reformed band also did an East Coast, European, and Midwest tour behind the new album, with Jordan and Wilson accompanied by Chris Von Sneidern on bass and Tony Sales (son of bassist Tony Fox Sales) on drums.[70][72] In 2019, the Groovies, consisting of Jordan, Von Sneidern (now on guitar), Sales, and Atom Ellis (on bass), with special guest Roy Loney (vocals) but without Wilson (who was on hiatus in 2019), embarked on the "Teenage Head Tour" in the US and Europe.[73] However, Loney was hospitalized after a fall at the airport in June, just as the tour was headed to Europe, which forced the European leg of the tour to continue without him.[74] Loney died on December 13, 2019.[75]

Personnel edit

Timeline

Discography edit

Albums edit

Studio edit

Live edit

  • Slow Death, Live! (Lolita, 1983) (1971 KSAN broadcast)
  • Bucketful of Brains (Voxx, 1983) (1971 KSAN broadcast)
  • Flamin' Groovies '68 (Eva, 1984) (live at The Matrix, 1968)
  • Flamin' Groovies '70 (Eva, 1984)
  • 68/70 (Eva, 1984) (selections from '68 and '70)
  • Groove In (Revenge, 1988) (compilation from '68 and '70)
  • Rockin' at the Roundhouse (Mystery MRC 103, 1993) (live recordings from 1976 and 1978)
  • Live at the Festival of the Sun (AIM (Australia) 1051, 1995) (1987 Barcelona, Spain concert)
  • California Born and Bred (Norton 243, 1995) (1968-71 live recordings)
  • The Flamin' Groovies In Person (Norton 255, 2006) (official 1971 KSAN broadcast plus bonus tracks)

Demos edit

  • Step Up (AIM (Australia) 1030, 1991) (studio recordings from 1984 to 1989)
  • Slow Death (Norton 297, September 2002) (self-produced recordings with Chris Wilson from 1971 to 1973)

Compilation edit

  • Still Shakin' (Buddah Records BDS 5683, 1976) (compilation from Flamingo and Teenage Head)
  • Super Grease (Skydog SKI 2226, 1984) (Grease & More Grease)
  • Groovies' Greatest Grooves (Sire 9 25948-2, July 1989) (official greatest hits from 1971–81)
  • Supersneakers (Sundazed SC 6077, 1996) (official reissue of Sneakers, with 10 live tracks from 1968)
  • Yesterday's Numbers (Camden (Australia), 1998) (compilation from Loney period)
  • Grease: The Complete Skydog Singles Collection (Skydog PVCP-8727, 1998) (Grease & More Grease plus Gold Star Tapes)
  • Sneakers & Rockfield Sessions (AIM (Australia) 0002, 2004) (both EPs on one CD)
  • Bust Out at Full Speed: The Sire Years (Sire, 2006) (US only; not complete)
  • At Full Speed... The Complete Sire Recordings (Sire 812274 0612, 2006) (complete)
  • This Band Is Red Hot (Raven (Australia), 2008) (greatest hits compilation from 1969-79 (Supersnazz to Jumpin' in the Night))

EPs edit

  • Sneakers (Snazz R-2371, 1968) (official first Groovies release)
  • Grease (Skydog FGG-001, 1973) (1971 demo recordings with Chris Wilson)
  • More Grease (Skydog FGG-002, 1974) (1971 demo & live recordings with Chris Wilson)
  • The Gold Star Tapes (Skydog SKI 2224, 1984) (1981 Gold Star Studios sessions)
  • Rockfield Sessions (AIM (Australia) COLLECT 2, 1989) (Rockfield 1972 sessions for UA)
  • A Bucket of Brains (EMI 7243 8 32144 2 6, 1995) (official release of Rockfield 1972 sessions for UA, from original masters)

Singles edit

  • "Rockin' Pneumonia and the Boogie Woogie Flu" b/w "The First One's Free" (Jul 1969, Epic)
  • "Somethin' Else" b/w "Laurie Did It" (1970, Epic)
  • "Have You Seen My Baby?" b/w "Yesterday's Numbers" (1971, Kama Sutra)
  • "Teenage Head" b/w "Evil Hearted Ada" (non-USA) (Aug 1971, Kama Sutra)
  • "Slow Death" b/w "Tallahassee Lassie" (Jun 1972, UA)
  • "Married Woman" b/w "Get a Shot of Rhythm and Blues" (Dec 1972, UA)
  • "You Tore Me Down" b/w "Him or Me" (1974, Bomp)
  • "I Can't Hide" b/w "Teenage Confidential" (1976, Sire)
  • "Shake Some Action" b/w "Teenage Confidential" (non-USA) (1976, Sire)
  • "Teenage Head" (rerelease) b/w "Headin' for the Texas Border" (Jun 1976, Kama Sutra)
  • "Don’t You Lie To Me" b/w "She Said Yeah"; "Shake Some Action" (30 cm, UK) (1976, Sire)
  • "I Can't Explain" b/w "Little Queenie" (1977, Sire)
  • "Move It" b/w "When I Heard Your Name" (UK, Aug 1978, Sire)
  • "Absolutely Sweet Marie" b/w "Werewolves Of London"; "Next One Crying" (UK, Jun 1979, Sire)
  • "Sealed with a Kiss" (1993, National)
  • "Baby Please Don't Go" (live) b/w "Milk Cow Blues" (live) (1987)
  • "Scratch My Back" b/w "Carol" (2010; both recorded 1971)
  • "Crazy Macy" b/w "Let Me Rock" (2016, Burger)
  • "Long Way to Be Happy" b/w "Don't Forget to Write" (2017, EFDE Music) (new vocals on A-side; both are 1981 Gold Star unfinished tracks)

Book references edit

  • Buckley, Peter (2003). The Rough Guide to Rock. London: Rough Guides. ISBN 1-85828-201-2.
  • Jon Storey; John Bottomley (1988). Bucketfull of Groovies: The Flamin' Groovies Story. London: Bucketfull of Brains.

The Flamin' Groovies, along with the band Frumious Bandersnatch, are mentioned in Roger Hall's 1970 novel, 19, which refers to them both as one band, "Frumious Bandersnatch and the Flamin' Groovies." (First edition, page 110).

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External links edit

  • Flamin' Groovies biography at AllMusic
  • Flamin' Groovies discography at Discogs

flamin, groovies, american, rock, band, that, formed, francisco, 1965, originally, loney, cyril, jordan, after, groovies, released, three, albums, epic, supersnazz, kama, sutra, flamingo, teenage, head, loney, left, band, 1971, replaced, leader, chris, wilson,. Flamin Groovies is an American rock band that formed in San Francisco in 1965 originally co led by Roy Loney and Cyril Jordan 5 6 After the Groovies released three albums on Epic Supersnazz and Kama Sutra Flamingo and Teenage Head Loney left the band in 1971 He was replaced as co leader by Chris Wilson and the band s emphasis shifted more toward British Invasion power pop 7 8 Flamin GrooviesAlso known asThe Flamin GrooviesOriginSan Francisco California U S GenresGarage rock 1 power pop 2 proto punk 3 rock and roll 2 4 Years active1965 1991 2004 2009 2013 presentLabelsEpicKama SutraUASireAIMSevernMembersCyril Jordan Chris Von Sneidern Tony Sales Atom Ellis Chris WilsonPast membersRoy Loney deceased George Alexander Tim Lynch Danny Mihm deceased James Ferrell Terry Rae David Wright Mike Wilhelm deceased Autumn Eyles Mark Dunwoody deceased Bobby Ronco deceased Jack Johnson Paul Zahl Victor PenalosaWebsitehttp www theflamingroovies com The band signed to United Artists Records in 1972 releasing just three more singles until 1976 The Groovies then signed to Sire Records and released three albums between 1976 and 1979 Shake Some Action Flamin Groovies Now both produced by Dave Edmunds at Rockfield Studios in Wales and Jumpin in the Night The 1976 album s title track Shake Some Action also released as a single became a power pop anthem and is revered by many including Greil Marcus in his book The History of Rock and Roll in Ten Songs Wilson left the band in 1981 and the band continued in various forms including the release of three more albums before breaking up in 1991 After a couple of limited reunions with different lineups the 1970s nucleus of Jordan Wilson and Alexander reformed the group in 2013 and the band s first post reunion album Fantastic Plastic was released in 2017 Alexander left the reformed band in 2017 and in 2019 Wilson went on hiatus In addition to the band s role in the advancement of power pop the Flamin Groovies have also been called one of the forerunners of punk rock 9 Contents 1 Career 1 1 Beginnings 1 2 Isolation and success 1 3 Breakup 1 4 Post breakup and partial reunions 1 5 Reunion 2 Personnel 3 Discography 3 1 Albums 3 1 1 Studio 3 1 2 Live 3 1 3 Demos 3 1 4 Compilation 3 2 EPs 3 3 Singles 4 Book references 5 References 6 External linksCareer editBeginnings edit Roy Loney 10 11 12 13 14 15 and Tim Lynch 16 17 18 19 who met in first grade had put together a Kingston Trio type folk band with guitars when they were in junior high and high school 20 Beginning in 1965 after adding their friend George Alexander whom they told to learn bass they became a Rolling Stones influenced rock band with drummer Ron Greco 20 Greco knew a 15 year old lead guitarist named Cyril Jordan 21 who quickly became a part of the group although Greco then left and was replaced by Danny Mihm 20 22 After playing together for about three years under various group names and not getting any record company offers they decided to put up their own money and make their own EP which they could also use as a label demo 20 That EP 1968 s Sneakers was recorded on 4 track and mixed in about eight hours total 20 22 and featured Jordan guitar vocals Loney vocals guitar Alexander bass harmonica vocals Lynch guitar harmonica vocals and Mihm drums 7 As a result of its success they were signed to a contract by Epic Records at about the same time their manager leased The Fillmore from Bill Graham and they became managers of the venue which introduced them to a much wider variety of music including The Stooges and Alice Cooper 20 23 During this period they released 1969 s Supersnazz 7 In Loney s words the album was all over the map and kinda grasping at every possible straw 20 it contained both re creations of 1950s rock and roll and more melodic songs that anticipated the power pop movement of the 1970s a genre to which the Flamin Groovies would eventually contribute significant work However the album s low sales led to their release by Epic 7 They then started doing national tours and their further exposure to Detroit s musical scene hardened up our sound a whole lot in Loney s words 20 At the instigation of Richard Robinson a journalist and the Groovies future producer the Groovies then signed to Kama Sutra Records for their next two albums 1970 s Flamingo and 1971 s Teenage Head 7 Jordan was unhappy with the sound quality of Flamingo 22 24 Teenage Head is listed in the 2006 book 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die and Mick Jagger reportedly compared the album favorably to the Rolling Stones contemporaneous Sticky Fingers 25 Despite the critical plaudits though neither album sold well which caused Loney and Lynch to lose interest and left the Groovies in limbo about their future 20 22 Loney a rockabilly and blues aficionado and Jordan who leaned more to Beatle style pop also clashed over the band s direction 26 leading to a meme that Roy is the Stones guy Cyril is the Beatles guy 27 Jordan however felt the band was just evolving 22 Tim Lynch then left the band and was replaced by James Ferrell 20 shortly before the Groovies played a concert for the closing of the Fillmore West that was broadcast live on local San Francisco radio station KSAN 28 29 Isolation and success edit Not long after the KSAN concert Loney also left the band and was replaced by 18 year old singer and guitarist Chris Wilson who along with Jordan began to move the group in a more overtly power pop direction 7 8 Alexander had become friends with British music executive Andrew Lauder 20 and in 1972 the band reached a deal to sign with Lauder s United Artists Records UA and to record with British producer Dave Edmunds at Rockfield Studios in Wales 30 31 even though the U S division of UA had already turned down the band 26 32 33 The Groovies moved to Britain where they remained for the rest of 1972 24 but the UA deal was never expanded beyond two single releases Slow Death Tallahassee Lassie and Married Woman Get a Shot of Rhythm and Blues which United Artists preferred to Edmunds and the band s choices Shake Some Action and You Tore Me Down 34 However Slow Death an anti drug song that Jordan had written with Loney was banned by the BBC for using the word morphine which killed the momentum behind the signing 24 All seven songs recorded in 1972 by the Groovies for UA the six named above plus Chuck Berry s Little Queenie were released in 1995 by EMI on the A Bucket of Brains album 35 The failure of these singles effectively left the band in limbo for two years 7 During this lull drummer Danny Mihm also left the band replaced first by Terry Rae and ultimately by David Wright 24 In 1973 the Groovies re recorded Shake Some Action as part of a deal with Capitol Records but executive turnover at Capitol blocked that deal before the contracts were signed 24 36 In an effort to gain some leverage the band agreed to release the Edmunds produced version of You Tore Me Down as the first single on the brand new Bomp Records label in 1974 36 37 Some of the various released and unreleased recordings made and produced by the Groovies during this period six demos from 1971 Tallahassee Lassie from 1972 one TV recording from 1972 and the two Capitol demos from 1973 were later collected on the 2002 Norton album Slow Death 24 38 Finally in 1975 Greg Shaw from Bomp became the Flamin Groovies manager and arranged for them to sign to the new but poorly distributed label Sire Records headed by Seymour Stein 39 Due to that the Groovies returned to the UK and recorded and released in 1976 Shake Some Action again produced by Edmunds which included the same recordings of two songs Shake Some Action and You Tore Me Down that United Artists had passed on in 1972 but Stein loved 22 24 The album received rave critical reviews similar to Teenage Head 26 40 The Groovies continued to tour continually and were supported by the Ramones and The Stranglers at the Roundhouse in London on July 4 1976 which was coincidentally the US s bicentennial in the former band s first ever appearance in the UK This concert has been widely noted as a seminal moment in the development of punk rock 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 Sire s distribution was taken over by Warner Bros Records in 1977 and so the Groovies returned to a major label however shortly before that James Ferrell who had been unhappy with the band s Beatle esque direction 49 was fired and replaced by Mike Wilhelm who had previously played with Wilson in the San Francisco band Loose Gravel 35 The band then recorded two albums for Sire Warners 1978 s Flamin Groovies Now once more produced by Dave Edmunds and 1979 s Jumpin in the Night produced by Jordan and Roger Bechirian 7 Wilson felt that Now was his favorite album and the band with Edmunds was in one of our most creative times 26 However Sire gave the album little promotion and it didn t sell appreciably better 26 Edmunds also intended to produce Jumpin in the Night but according to Wilson his new manager Jake Riviera blocked him from doing so 26 Both albums included several covers of older material from other artists which became an issue between Jordan who wanted to include the covers because he was trying to renegotiate his publishing rights with Sire and Wilson who did not 30 34 According to Jordan during this period Warners also released a punk rock songbook that featured the Sex Pistols the Ramones and the Groovies 50 Breakup edit The commercial failure of Jumpin in the Night as well as clashes between Jordan and Stein led Sire to drop the Flamin Groovies in 1980 51 although the band nevertheless added keyboardist Mark Dunwoody 52 Then a failed recording session at Gold Star Studios in 1981 for a new album tentatively called Tour de Force 53 in which only five complete songs were recorded in a three week period but four of them were covers 51 and the widening personal differences between Jordan and Wilson led both David Wright and Chris Wilson to quit the Groovies with Wilson s departure taking place on Halloween night 1981 7 26 34 Wilson called the Gold Star sessions a complete debacle and referred to the time as being like a messy family divorce 26 all of the Groovies blamed the collapse of the Gold Star sessions on excessive drug use 51 As Jordan admitted We got tired We were beaten up and cast aside and the feeling was that this thing s over and you couldn t stop that feeling with anybody in the band because it looked like it was 30 Despite that Jordan and Alexander added new members including the return of drummer Danny Mihm and resumed touring 30 However after Wilhelm Mihm and Dunwoody all left in 1982 52 54 the Flamin Groovies once again had to reform Later in the 1980s the Groovies now including Jordan Alexander guitarist vocalist Jack Johnson and drummer Paul Zahl became involved with an Australian promoter named Peter Noble the owner of AIM Records who began to issue various Groovies live and studio recordings and reissue prior albums 55 56 After a 1987 live in the studio recording in Australia for AIM entitled One Night Stand 7 and Sire Warner s release of a 1989 greatest hits album focused on the Jordan Wilson recordings entitled Groovies Greatest Grooves Noble put the Groovies on a financially mismanaged 80 day 80 city tour of Europe which shattered the group 22 The Groovies finally disbanded in 1991 with their last releases being the AIM compilation of demos entitled Step Up in 1991 and the post breakup album Rock Juice which used several of the same backing tracks as Step Up according to Alexander in 1993 22 30 57 Post breakup and partial reunions edit In 1979 Roy Loney formed the Phantom Movers featuring two other former Groovies drummer Danny Mihm and guitarist James Ferrell as well as Larry Lea guitar and Maurice Tani bass The band released several albums between 1979 and 1993 58 59 as well as a greatest hits CD A Hundred Miles an Hour 1978 1989 on the Raven label out of Australia 60 Loney and Lea continued to work together after the band folded 59 In 1995 Shake Some Action appeared in the movie Clueless which regenerated interest in the group 61 Loney Mihm and Ferrell who were then playing together in a band called the Fondellas tried to put a Groovies reunion together to capitalize on that interest which had been further fueled by re releases of Flamingo and Teenage Head but Jordan wasn t interested at that time 59 The Flamin Groovies headlined the Azkena Rock Festival in Mendizabala Spain on September 11 2004 although Jordan was the only member of the pre 1981 band who participated 62 In 2005 Jordan founded a new band Magic Christian which released a self titled double album in 2005 and the album Evolver in 2009 63 In 2009 Loney and Jordan reunited and embarked on a brief tour backed by members of the A Bones and Yo La Tengo 39 including the Ponderosa Stomp in April 64 The tour focused on the Groovies pre 1972 catalog omitting the later songs Jordan noted that despite the band s continuing popularity when I did that tour with Roy the halls didn t exactly fill up 39 During an English date on this tour Jordan reconnected with Wilson who was then living in England and who had joined The Barracudas and the Fortunate Sons there in the 1980s after leaving the Groovies 30 65 One result of the Loney Jordan tour were more reunions on the 2010 Chris Wilson album Love Over Money George Alexander Roy Loney James Ferrell and Mike Wilhelm all appear on the CD as does Procol Harum s keyboard legend Matthew Fisher and Barracudas guitarist Robin Wills The album was released on the French label Rock Paradise Wilson then followed this up with the 2013 album It s Flamin Groovy which featured the same musicians as previously plus three songs with both Alexander and Cyril Jordan 34 1980s Groovies keyboardist Mark Dunwoody who also played with the Phantom Movers died of a heart attack on June 12 2013 66 Guitarist Mike Wilhelm 1976 1982 died from cancer on May 14 2019 67 Drummer Danny Mihm died on March 26 2020 following a stroke 68 Reunion edit Beginning in late 2012 following the reunions on Wilson s solo albums Jordan and Wilson considered reforming and relaunching the band Said Jordan the Flamin Groovies Shake Some Action version makes way more money and did make way more money in the 70s than the Roy Loney version ever did So it was a no brainer to put that second version back together again and see if we could make some good money 22 That second Groovies line up of Jordan Wilson and Alexander with the addition of Victor Penalosa on drums played live for the first time since their 1981 split in Australia Brisbane Sydney Melbourne and Perth as part of the Hoodoo Gurus invitational Dig It Up in April 2013 22 34 69 Jordan noted that the band received 75 000 for six or seven shows on the tour which was enough money to overcome the band s post breakup geographic spread 22 The Groovies then played a series of sold out shows in Japan 34 Their next show in San Francisco at The Elbo Room on May 4 sold out in less than 24 hours and Loney even attended 27 As a result Jordan Wilson and Alexander decided to reform the Flamin Groovies and to record a new album 34 70 Their first release was a limited edition single on vinyl in 2016 to commemorate the band s 50th anniversary entitled Crazy Macy b w Let Me Rock 71 followed by the album Fantastic Plastic which was released in September 2017 70 The reformed band also did an East Coast European and Midwest tour behind the new album with Jordan and Wilson accompanied by Chris Von Sneidern on bass and Tony Sales son of bassist Tony Fox Sales on drums 70 72 In 2019 the Groovies consisting of Jordan Von Sneidern now on guitar Sales and Atom Ellis on bass with special guest Roy Loney vocals but without Wilson who was on hiatus in 2019 embarked on the Teenage Head Tour in the US and Europe 73 However Loney was hospitalized after a fall at the airport in June just as the tour was headed to Europe which forced the European leg of the tour to continue without him 74 Loney died on December 13 2019 75 Personnel editTimelineDiscography editAlbums edit Studio edit Supersnazz Epic BN 26487 September 1969 Flamingo Kama Sutra KSBS 2021 July 1970 Teenage Head Kama Sutra KSBS 2031 April 1971 Shake Some Action Sire SASD 7521 June 1976 U S No 142 76 Flamin Groovies Now Sire SRK 6059 June 1978 Jumpin in the Night Sire SRK 6067 July 1979 One Night Stand AIM Records Australia 1008 July 1987 Rock Juice National Records NAT 030 2 November 1992 Fantastic Plastic Severn 0069 September 2017 Live edit Slow Death Live Lolita 1983 1971 KSAN broadcast Bucketful of Brains Voxx 1983 1971 KSAN broadcast Flamin Groovies 68 Eva 1984 live at The Matrix 1968 Flamin Groovies 70 Eva 1984 68 70 Eva 1984 selections from 68 and 70 Groove In Revenge 1988 compilation from 68 and 70 Rockin at the Roundhouse Mystery MRC 103 1993 live recordings from 1976 and 1978 Live at the Festival of the Sun AIM Australia 1051 1995 1987 Barcelona Spain concert California Born and Bred Norton 243 1995 1968 71 live recordings The Flamin Groovies In Person Norton 255 2006 official 1971 KSAN broadcast plus bonus tracks Demos edit Step Up AIM Australia 1030 1991 studio recordings from 1984 to 1989 Slow Death Norton 297 September 2002 self produced recordings with Chris Wilson from 1971 to 1973 Compilation edit Still Shakin Buddah Records BDS 5683 1976 compilation from Flamingo and Teenage Head Super Grease Skydog SKI 2226 1984 Grease amp More Grease Groovies Greatest Grooves Sire 9 25948 2 July 1989 official greatest hits from 1971 81 Supersneakers Sundazed SC 6077 1996 official reissue of Sneakers with 10 live tracks from 1968 Yesterday s Numbers Camden Australia 1998 compilation from Loney period Grease The Complete Skydog Singles Collection Skydog PVCP 8727 1998 Grease amp More Grease plus Gold Star Tapes Sneakers amp Rockfield Sessions AIM Australia 0002 2004 both EPs on one CD Bust Out at Full Speed The Sire Years Sire 2006 US only not complete At Full Speed The Complete Sire Recordings Sire 812274 0612 2006 complete This Band Is Red Hot Raven Australia 2008 greatest hits compilation from 1969 79 Supersnazz to Jumpin in the Night EPs edit Sneakers Snazz R 2371 1968 official first Groovies release Grease Skydog FGG 001 1973 1971 demo recordings with Chris Wilson More Grease Skydog FGG 002 1974 1971 demo amp live recordings with Chris Wilson The Gold Star Tapes Skydog SKI 2224 1984 1981 Gold Star Studios sessions Rockfield Sessions AIM Australia COLLECT 2 1989 Rockfield 1972 sessions for UA A Bucket of Brains EMI 7243 8 32144 2 6 1995 official release of Rockfield 1972 sessions for UA from original masters Singles edit Rockin Pneumonia and the Boogie Woogie Flu b w The First One s Free Jul 1969 Epic Somethin Else b w Laurie Did It 1970 Epic Have You Seen My Baby b w Yesterday s Numbers 1971 Kama Sutra Teenage Head b w Evil Hearted Ada non USA Aug 1971 Kama Sutra Slow Death b w Tallahassee Lassie Jun 1972 UA Married Woman b w Get a Shot of Rhythm and Blues Dec 1972 UA You Tore Me Down b w Him or Me 1974 Bomp I Can t Hide b w Teenage Confidential 1976 Sire Shake Some Action b w Teenage Confidential non USA 1976 Sire Teenage Head rerelease b w Headin for the Texas Border Jun 1976 Kama Sutra Don t You Lie To Me b w She Said Yeah Shake Some Action 30 cm UK 1976 Sire I Can t Explain b w Little Queenie 1977 Sire Move It b w When I Heard Your Name UK Aug 1978 Sire Absolutely Sweet Marie b w Werewolves Of London Next One Crying UK Jun 1979 Sire Sealed with a Kiss 1993 National Baby Please Don t Go live b w Milk Cow Blues live 1987 Scratch My Back b w Carol 2010 both recorded 1971 Crazy Macy b w Let Me Rock 2016 Burger Long Way to Be Happy b w Don t Forget to Write 2017 EFDE Music new vocals on A side both are 1981 Gold Star unfinished tracks Book references editBuckley Peter 2003 The Rough Guide to Rock London Rough Guides ISBN 1 85828 201 2 Jon Storey John Bottomley 1988 Bucketfull of Groovies The Flamin Groovies Story London Bucketfull of Brains The Flamin Groovies along with the band Frumious Bandersnatch are mentioned in Roger Hall s 1970 novel 19 which refers to them both as one band Frumious Bandersnatch and the Flamin Groovies First edition page 110 References edit Nadine Kathe Monem 2007 Riot Grrrl Revolution Girl Style Now Black Dog Pub p 52 ISBN 978 1 906155 01 8 a b Ari Abramowitz 30 October 2004 Pockit Rockit Music Finder Music Guru Incorporated p 63 ISBN 978 0 9759787 0 2 Folgar Abel Top Twenty Proto Punk Bands An Incomplete List Broward Palm Beach New Times Retrieved 3 August 2017 Nick Talevski 7 April 2010 Rock Obituaries Knocking On Heaven s Door Omnibus Press p 587 ISBN 978 0 85712 117 2 Strong Martin C 2000 The Great Rock Discography 5th ed Edinburgh Mojo Books pp 345 346 ISBN 1 84195 017 3 Vasquez Will March 2017 Don t Forget the Flamin Groovies Beat Magazine Retrieved 2 December 2017 a b c d e f g h i j Deming Mark Flamin Groovies Artist Biography AllMusic Retrieved 15 October 2016 a b Power Pop The 70s The Birth Of Uncool Magnetmagazine com 2002 09 07 Retrieved on 1 September 2013 Buckley 2003 p 322 The Flamin Groovies really had more in common with the MC5 who deployed the same twin guitar assault on white rock Both would become regarded as forerunners of the punk rock movement NYE 2015 2016 w Roy Loney amp The Phantom Movers The Chuckleberries The Falsies Schedule noisepopfest com Retrieved 1 March 2019 Roy Alan Loney Born 04 13 1946 in California CaliforniaBirthIndex org Californiabirthindex org Roy Loney amp the Phantom Movers Promo Print at Wolfgang s Wolfgangs com Roy Loney and the Phantom Movers TrouserPress com Roy Loney amp the Phantom Movers Biography amp History AllMusic AllMusic Roy Loney amp the Phantom Movers Discogs Timothy David Lynch Born 07 18 1946 in California CaliforniaBirthIndex org Californiabirthindex org Say It s Your Birthday Flamin Groovies Tim Lynch Mtv com Tim Lynch Credits AllMusic AllMusic Tim Lynch Discogs a b c d e f g h i j k Shimamoto Ken December 2000 Primitive Rock with Taste Ex Flamin Groovie Roy Loney Gets His Mojo Pressed I 94 Bar Archived from the original on 7 November 2017 Retrieved 6 November 2017 Perfect Sound Forever Flamin Groovies Cyril Jordan interview Furious com a b c d e f g h i j k Gross Jason February 2014 Flamin Groovies Cyril A Jordan Interview Perfect Sound Forever Retrieved 11 November 2017 Valania Jonathan 15 August 2017 TEENAGE HEAD The Definitive Q amp A with Cyril Jordan of the Legendary Flamin Groovies Pt 1 PHAWKER Retrieved 15 December 2017 a b c d e f g Cyril Jordan liner notes for Slow Death 2002 Retrieved 13 November 2017 Deming Mark Flamin Groovies Teenage Head AllMusic Retrieved 27 November 2017 a b c d e f g h Mills Fred 14 November 2013 SHAKE SOME ACTION ONCE MORE Flamin Groovies Blurt Online Retrieved 6 November 2017 a b Murrmann Mark 7 May 2013 Photos Flamin Groovies Hometown Return Mother Jones Retrieved 6 November 2017 Deming Mark Flamin Groovies A Bucketful of 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Flamin Groovies Classic 70s Lineup Reunites for New Album Exclusive Billboard Retrieved 21 October 2017 Aquarium Drunkard Flamin Groovies Crazy Macy b w Let Me Rock Aquariumdrunkard com 16 April 2016 Snyder Michael September 2017 Everything old is new and grooving again Marina Times Retrieved 14 November 2017 The Flamin Groovies with special guest Roy Loney playing the Teenage Head album ticketfly com Retrieved May 18 2019 Ferguson Laura 5 June 2019 Lead singer of band set to play Oran Mor gig tonight suffers serious head injury Glasgow Live Retrieved 27 July 2019 Bloom Madison Flamin Groovies Roy Loney Dead at 73 Pitchfork Retrieved 14 December 2019 Shake Some Action Flamin Groovies Awards AllMusic Retrieved on 1 September 2013 External links editFlamin Groovies biography at AllMusic Flamin Groovies discography at Discogs Retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title Flamin 27 Groovies amp oldid 1188107795, wikipedia, wiki, book, books, library,

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