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Hired armed cutter Idas

During the period of the Napoleonic Wars, two vessels have served the British Royal Navy as His Majesty's Hired armed cutter Idas, named for Idas, a figure from Greek mythology.

The first Idas edit

The first Idas was a cutter that served the Royal Navy from 10 November 1808 to 5 September 1812. She carried ten 6-pounder guns and was of 142 tons (bm).

In August–December 1809, Idas participated in the ill-fated Walcheren Campaign while under the command of Lieutenant James Duncan. She helped cover the initial British landing and then carried dispatches from Rear-admiral Sir Richard Strachan back to England, arriving there on 6 August.[1] Idas spent much of the expedition carrying dispatches or Admiral Strachan from one location to another. Still, on 1 December, Idas was in company with the hired armed lugger Speculator, when they recaptured Respect.[2]

On 16 March 1810, boats from Idas and the hired armed cutter King George brought out a French privateer schuyt, of four guns, from the Texel. They did so despite strong small arms fire from the shore.[3][4]

In January 1811, the galiot Gabriel, a prize to Idas, was driven on shore near Yarmouth.[5]

However, in November 1812 the Custom-house officers of Arundel seized Idas while she was at anchor in the Downs and took her into Little Hampton harbour for having carried on an illicit trade.[6]

Letters of marque edit

This Idas may have served as a privateer under a Letter of Marque both before and after her service with the Royal Navy.

  • On 24 December 1807, an Idas, cutter under the command of John May, of 141 (or 1413594) tons burthen and fourteen 6-pounder guns, received a letter of marque.[7][8]
  • On 12 January 1814, an Idas, cutter under the command of Thomas Newton, of 141 tons burthen and sixteen 9 and 6-pounder guns, received a letter of marque.[7] On 25 February 1814, Idas, privateer of Hastings, captured Commodore Perry, which had been sailing from Philadelphia to Bordeaux. Idas brought her into the Downs on 2 March.[9]

The second Idas edit

Idas
History
 United Kingdom
NameIdas
Launched1808
Acquired21 April 1809 by contract
Captured4 June 1810
 France
NameIdas
Acquired4 June 1810 by capture
FateDisposed of ca. March 1815
General characteristics [10][11]
Displacement180 tons (French)
Tons burthen1021894 (bm)
Length19.06 m (62.5 ft)
Beam6.40 m (21.0 ft)
Armament
  • British service: 10 guns
  • French service: 12 x 9-pounder guns

The second Idas was a cutter of 10 guns and 1021894 tons (bm) that served the Royal Navy from 21 April 1809 until she grounded and was captured on 4 June 1810.[10] The French Navy refloated her and took her into service. She served until ca. 1815.[11]

British service: Lieutenant William Wells is the first officer on record as having commanded Idas. Initially she participated in the Gunboat War. On 19 June 1809 she captured the Danish brig Haabet. At the time the hired armed ship Prince William was in sight.[a] That same day Idas captured the Danish vessels Fortuna and Joannes.[13] Idas shared the proceeds of the capture on 4 July of Gunild Cecilia and Fortuna with Defense.[b] On 25 July she captured the privateer Haberbaden and then on 14 August the privateer Flora, of six guns and 30 men.[15] Flora was nine miles from The Skaw at the time. She had been six weeks out of Copenhagen and had taken only one prize, a Danish sloop, that Idas recaptured. Flora had recaptured the sloop after HMS Allart had captured her.[16][c]

Then on 14 August Idas recaptured the Danish ship Laurentius and Maria.[17] Next, on 6 September she captured Margaretha Dorothea while in company with the gun-brig Urgent.[d] Two weeks later, on 20 September, Idas captured Margaretha and Tra Broders.[19]

On 7 October Idas captured the Danish sloops No. 59, Cecilia Maria, and Bonus.[17] On 7 November she captured the Danish sloop Four Sisters while in company with the hired armed cutter Hero.[e] Two days later, on 9 November, Idas captured the Danish brig Resolution. A partial disbursement of the prize money for Resolution amounted to £1400.[20][f]

On 4 June 1810, while under the command of Lieutenant J. Rayson, Idas grounded on the end of Ellebourge Sand at the entrance on the Scheldt where the French captured her.[23]

The schooner Porgey came to her rescue while under enemy fire, but also grounded and was burnt to avoid capture.[23] A party from Drake arrived with orders either to free Idas, or burn her if necessary to prevent the French from taking possession.[24] The officer commanding the party, Lieutenant Langley was not in uniform, and though he was two years Rayson's junior, Rayson mistook him for Drake's captain. Langley ordered Rayson to leave with his crew, which Rayson did, understanding that Langley would blow up Idas. Langley left with his men on the last boat, not having set fire to Idas but instead intending to return after he had delivered his men back to Drake. Langley was, however, unable to return due to the swiftness of the currents and fire from the shore. Consequently, the French were able to capture Idas. The court martial for the loss of the Idas reprimanded Langley for his actions.[24]

French service: The French Navy refloated Idas on the next day and commissioned her under her existing name. The French ceded her to the Netherlands at Antwerp in August 1814. She was declared unserviceable in March 1815.[11]

Notes edit

  1. ^ A second-class share of the prize money was worth £19 12s 4+12d; a sixth-class share, that of an ordinary seaman, was worth 16s.[12]
  2. ^ A first-class share was worth £49 2s 5+12p; a sixth-class share was worth 3s 11+14d.[14]
  3. ^ For Haberbaden and Flora, Wells received £44 9s 3+12d in prize money; an ordinary seaman received £3 1s 6+34d.[15]
  4. ^ A first class share of the prize money was worth £15 10s 6d; a sixth-class share was worth £1 5+14d.[18]
  5. ^ In 1811 the Danes would badly damage Hero and sink the hired armed cutter Swan while the two were operating together near Uddevalla.
  6. ^ For Resolution, Margaretha Dorothea, and Three Brothers (Tra Broder), Wells received second-class shares amounting to £106 15s 2d, over £80 of which was for Resolution; for an ordinary seaman, the sum was £8 5s 4+12d, more than £6 of which was for Resolution.[21] A second disbursement for the Three Brothers yielded Wells £41 4s 10d; an ordinary seaman received 18s 3+34d. The announcement also mentioned that Childers had been in company and would share in the prize money.[22]

Citations edit

  1. ^ Naval Chronicle, Vol. 22, p.140.
  2. ^ "No. 16346". The London Gazette. 27 February 1810. p. 307.
  3. ^ "No. 16353". The London Gazette. 20 March 1810. p. 425.
  4. ^ Naval Chronicle, (Vol 23, Jan-Jun 1810), p.431.
  5. ^ Lloyd's List, No. 4526.
  6. ^ Naval Chronicle, Vol. 28.
  7. ^ a b (PDF). Archived from the original (PDF) on 20 October 2016. Retrieved 27 October 2018.
  8. ^ Sarre (2007), p. 135.
  9. ^ Lloyd's List, No. 4850.
  10. ^ a b Winfield (2008), p. 395.
  11. ^ a b c Winfield & Roberts (2015), p. 257.
  12. ^ "No. 17231". The London Gazette. 15 March 1817. p. 664.
  13. ^ "No. 16507". The London Gazette. 23 July 1811. p. 1412.
  14. ^ "No. 17121". The London Gazette. 23 March 1816. p. 560.
  15. ^ a b "No. 17231". The London Gazette. 15 March 1817. p. 665.
  16. ^ "No. 16296". The London Gazette. 9 September 1809. p. 1457.
  17. ^ a b "No. 16336". The London Gazette. 23 January 1810. p. 125.
  18. ^ "No. 17121". The London Gazette. 23 March 1816. p. 561.
  19. ^ "No. 17113". The London Gazette. 24 February 1816. p. 359.
  20. ^ "No. 16900". The London Gazette. 21 May 1814. p. 1066.
  21. ^ "No. 17121". The London Gazette. 24 February 1816. pp. 560–561.
  22. ^ "No. 17470". The London Gazette. 20 April 1819. p. 700.
  23. ^ a b Gosset (1986), p. 75.
  24. ^ a b Hepper (1994), p. 132.

References edit

  • Gosset, William Patrick (1986). The lost ships of the Royal Navy, 1793-1900. Mansell. ISBN 0-7201-1816-6.
  • Hepper, David J. (1994). British Warship Losses in the Age of Sail, 1650–1859. Rotherfield: Jean Boudriot. ISBN 0-948864-30-3.
  • James, William (1837). The Naval History of Great Britain, from the Declaration of War by France in 1793, to the Accession of George IV. Vol. 5. R. Bentley.
  • Sarre, John W. (2007). Howell, Alan (ed.). Guernsey sailing ships, 1786–1936. Vol. 8. Guernsey Museum monograph series.
  • Winfield, Rif (2008). British Warships in the Age of Sail 1793–1817: Design, Construction, Careers and Fates. Seaforth Publishing. ISBN 978-1-86176-246-7.
  • Winfield, Rif; Roberts, Stephen S. (2015). French Warships in the Age of Sail 1786–1861: Design Construction, Careers and Fates. Seaforth Publishing. ISBN 978-1-84832-204-2.

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During the period of the Napoleonic Wars two vessels have served the British Royal Navy as His Majesty s Hired armed cutter Idas named for Idas a figure from Greek mythology Contents 1 The first Idas 1 1 Letters of marque 2 The second Idas 3 Notes 4 Citations 5 ReferencesThe first Idas editThe first Idas was a cutter that served the Royal Navy from 10 November 1808 to 5 September 1812 She carried ten 6 pounder guns and was of 142 tons bm In August December 1809 Idas participated in the ill fated Walcheren Campaign while under the command of Lieutenant James Duncan She helped cover the initial British landing and then carried dispatches from Rear admiral Sir Richard Strachan back to England arriving there on 6 August 1 Idas spent much of the expedition carrying dispatches or Admiral Strachan from one location to another Still on 1 December Idas was in company with the hired armed lugger Speculator when they recaptured Respect 2 On 16 March 1810 boats from Idas and the hired armed cutter King George brought out a French privateer schuyt of four guns from the Texel They did so despite strong small arms fire from the shore 3 4 In January 1811 the galiot Gabriel a prize to Idas was driven on shore near Yarmouth 5 However in November 1812 the Custom house officers of Arundel seized Idas while she was at anchor in the Downs and took her into Little Hampton harbour for having carried on an illicit trade 6 Letters of marque edit This Idas may have served as a privateer under a Letter of Marque both before and after her service with the Royal Navy On 24 December 1807 an Idas cutter under the command of John May of 141 or 14135 94 tons burthen and fourteen 6 pounder guns received a letter of marque 7 8 On 12 January 1814 an Idas cutter under the command of Thomas Newton of 141 tons burthen and sixteen 9 and 6 pounder guns received a letter of marque 7 On 25 February 1814 Idas privateer of Hastings captured Commodore Perry which had been sailing from Philadelphia to Bordeaux Idas brought her into the Downs on 2 March 9 The second Idas editIdas History nbsp United KingdomNameIdasLaunched1808Acquired21 April 1809 by contractCaptured4 June 1810 nbsp FranceNameIdasAcquired4 June 1810 by captureFateDisposed of ca March 1815General characteristics 10 11 Displacement180 tons French Tons burthen10218 94 bm Length19 06 m 62 5 ft Beam6 40 m 21 0 ft ArmamentBritish service 10 guns French service 12 x 9 pounder gunsThe second Idas was a cutter of 10 guns and 10218 94 tons bm that served the Royal Navy from 21 April 1809 until she grounded and was captured on 4 June 1810 10 The French Navy refloated her and took her into service She served until ca 1815 11 British service Lieutenant William Wells is the first officer on record as having commanded Idas Initially she participated in the Gunboat War On 19 June 1809 she captured the Danish brig Haabet At the time the hired armed ship Prince William was in sight a That same day Idas captured the Danish vessels Fortuna and Joannes 13 Idas shared the proceeds of the capture on 4 July of Gunild Cecilia and Fortuna with Defense b On 25 July she captured the privateer Haberbaden and then on 14 August the privateer Flora of six guns and 30 men 15 Flora was nine miles from The Skaw at the time She had been six weeks out of Copenhagen and had taken only one prize a Danish sloop that Idas recaptured Flora had recaptured the sloop after HMS Allart had captured her 16 c Then on 14 August Idas recaptured the Danish ship Laurentius and Maria 17 Next on 6 September she captured Margaretha Dorothea while in company with the gun brig Urgent d Two weeks later on 20 September Idas captured Margaretha and Tra Broders 19 On 7 October Idas captured the Danish sloops No 59 Cecilia Maria and Bonus 17 On 7 November she captured the Danish sloop Four Sisters while in company with the hired armed cutter Hero e Two days later on 9 November Idas captured the Danish brig Resolution A partial disbursement of the prize money for Resolution amounted to 1400 20 f On 4 June 1810 while under the command of Lieutenant J Rayson Idas grounded on the end of Ellebourge Sand at the entrance on the Scheldt where the French captured her 23 The schooner Porgey came to her rescue while under enemy fire but also grounded and was burnt to avoid capture 23 A party from Drake arrived with orders either to free Idas or burn her if necessary to prevent the French from taking possession 24 The officer commanding the party Lieutenant Langley was not in uniform and though he was two years Rayson s junior Rayson mistook him for Drake s captain Langley ordered Rayson to leave with his crew which Rayson did understanding that Langley would blow up Idas Langley left with his men on the last boat not having set fire to Idas but instead intending to return after he had delivered his men back to Drake Langley was however unable to return due to the swiftness of the currents and fire from the shore Consequently the French were able to capture Idas The court martial for the loss of the Idas reprimanded Langley for his actions 24 French service The French Navy refloated Idas on the next day and commissioned her under her existing name The French ceded her to the Netherlands at Antwerp in August 1814 She was declared unserviceable in March 1815 11 Notes edit A second class share of the prize money was worth 19 12s 4 1 2 d a sixth class share that of an ordinary seaman was worth 16s 12 A first class share was worth 49 2s 5 1 2 p a sixth class share was worth 3s 11 1 4 d 14 For Haberbaden and Flora Wells received 44 9s 3 1 2 d in prize money an ordinary seaman received 3 1s 6 3 4 d 15 A first class share of the prize money was worth 15 10s 6d a sixth class share was worth 1 5 1 4 d 18 In 1811 the Danes would badly damage Hero and sink the hired armed cutter Swan while the two were operating together near Uddevalla For Resolution Margaretha Dorothea and Three Brothers Tra Broder Wells received second class shares amounting to 106 15s 2d over 80 of which was for Resolution for an ordinary seaman the sum was 8 5s 4 1 2 d more than 6 of which was for Resolution 21 A second disbursement for the Three Brothers yielded Wells 41 4s 10d an ordinary seaman received 18s 3 3 4 d The announcement also mentioned that Childers had been in company and would share in the prize money 22 Citations edit Naval Chronicle Vol 22 p 140 No 16346 The London Gazette 27 February 1810 p 307 No 16353 The London Gazette 20 March 1810 p 425 Naval Chronicle Vol 23 Jan Jun 1810 p 431 Lloyd s List No 4526 Naval Chronicle Vol 28 a b Letter of Marque p 669 accessed 25 July 2017 PDF Archived from the original PDF on 20 October 2016 Retrieved 27 October 2018 Sarre 2007 p 135 Lloyd s List No 4850 a b Winfield 2008 p 395 a b c Winfield amp Roberts 2015 p 257 No 17231 The London Gazette 15 March 1817 p 664 No 16507 The London Gazette 23 July 1811 p 1412 No 17121 The London Gazette 23 March 1816 p 560 a b No 17231 The London Gazette 15 March 1817 p 665 No 16296 The London Gazette 9 September 1809 p 1457 a b No 16336 The London Gazette 23 January 1810 p 125 No 17121 The London Gazette 23 March 1816 p 561 No 17113 The London Gazette 24 February 1816 p 359 No 16900 The London Gazette 21 May 1814 p 1066 No 17121 The London Gazette 24 February 1816 pp 560 561 No 17470 The London Gazette 20 April 1819 p 700 a b Gosset 1986 p 75 a b Hepper 1994 p 132 References editGosset William Patrick 1986 The lost ships of the Royal Navy 1793 1900 Mansell ISBN 0 7201 1816 6 Hepper David J 1994 British Warship Losses in the Age of Sail 1650 1859 Rotherfield Jean Boudriot ISBN 0 948864 30 3 James William 1837 The Naval History of Great Britain from the Declaration of War by France in 1793 to the Accession of George IV Vol 5 R Bentley Sarre John W 2007 Howell Alan ed Guernsey sailing ships 1786 1936 Vol 8 Guernsey Museum monograph series Winfield Rif 2008 British Warships in the Age of Sail 1793 1817 Design Construction Careers and Fates 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