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HMS Venerable (1808)

October 29, 2023

For other ships with the same name, see HMS Venerable.

HMS Venerable was a 74-gun third-rate ship of the line of the Royal Navy, launched on 12 April 1808 at Northfleet.[2]

HMS Venerable fighting the French frigate Alcmène on 16 January 1814
History
United Kingdom
NameHMS Venerable
Ordered31 January 1805
BuilderPitcher, Northfleet
Laid downDecember 1805
Launched12 April 1808
Honours and
awards
FateBroken up, 1838
General characteristics [2]
Class and typeRepulse-class ship of the line
Tons burthen1716 (bm)
Length174 ft (53 m) (gundeck)
Beam47 ft 4 in (14.43 m)
Depth of hold20 ft (6.1 m)
PropulsionSails
Sail planFull-rigged ship
Armament
  • 74 guns:
  • Gundeck: 28 × 32-pounder guns
  • Upper gundeck: 28 × 18-pounder guns
  • QD: 8 × 9-pounder guns, 6 × 18-pounder carronades
  • Fc: 4 × 9-pounder guns

Career edit

On 13 December 1810 Venerable was in company with the hired armed cutter Nimrod and several other vessels at the capture of Goede Trouw.[3]

On 12 March 1812, as the merchant ship Ramoncita was returning from Lima and Cadiz, the French privateer Amelia captured her. However, HMS Virago recaptured Ramoncita. The salvage money notice stated that Virago had been in company with Venerable, Cumberland, Elizabeth, and Plantagenet.[4]

On 31 December 1813, she captured the French letter of marque brig Jason which became HMS Jason. Jason, of 264 tons (bm), was pierced for 22 guns but carried 14, 12 of which she had thrown overboard when Venerable chased her. She had left Bordeaux five days earlier and was sailing for New York with a cargo of silks, wines, and other articles of merchandise. There were 64 people on board, ten of whom were passengers. She was on her maiden voyage, copper-bottomed, and sailed so well, Captain Worth took her under protection, intending to go to Barbados.[5]

Venerable was Admiral Durham's flagship when on 16 January 1814, Venerable and her prize Jason, were in company with Cyane. Cyane spotted two 44-gun French frigates, Alcmène and Iphigénie and signaled to Venerable. Venerable joined her and after a chase that left Cyane far behind, captured Alcmène, though not without a fight. Venerable lost two men dead and four wounded, while the French lost 32 dead and 50 wounded. Alcmène had a complement of 319 men under the command of Captain Ducrest de Villeneuve, who was wounded when he brought her alongside Venerable and attempted a boarding.[5]

Jason and Cyane tracked Iphigénie and initially fired on her but broke off the engagement because they were outgunned. Cyane continued the chase for over three days until Venerable was able to rejoin the fight after having sailed 153 miles in the direction she believed that Iphigénie had taken. On 20 January 1814, after a 19-hour chase, or what amounted in all to a four-day chase Iphigénie, Venerable captured the quarry, having again left Cyane behind. In the chase, Iphigénie cast off her anchors and threw her boats overboard in order to try to gain speed. She had a complement of 325 men, under the command of Captain Émeric. She apparently did not resist after Venerable came up.[5][Note 1] Before meeting up with the British ships, the two French vessels had taken some eight prizes.[7] The action resulted in the award in 1847, to any surviving claimants, of the Naval General Service Medal with clasp "Venerable 16 Jany. 1814".

Venerable was able to locate Iphigénie because Commander Ducrest de Villeneuve of Alcmène was so angry at Captain Émeric, who was the senior French commander, for not having come alongside Venerable on the other side also to board, that he essentially revealed the rendezvous instructions to Durham. When some prisoners from Iphigénie's crew were brought on Venerable, crew from Alcmène too were enraged. Durham had to station Royal Marines between them, with fixed bayonets, to prevent fighting from breaking out.[8]

Fate edit

Venerable was placed on harbour service in 1825, and was broken up in 1838.[2]

Notes edit

  1. ^ A first-class share of the prize money for both vessels, including head money for Alcmène, was £819 16s 4½d; a sixth-class share, that of an ordinary seaman, for Iphigénie was worth £2 1s 8¼d. For Alcmène, a sixth-class share was worth £3 9s 4d.[6]

Citations edit

  1. ^ "No. 20939". The London Gazette. 26 January 1849. p. 244.
  2. ^ a b c Lavery, Ships of the Line vol.1, p188.
  3. ^ "No. 16543". The London Gazette. 19 November 1811. p. 2244.
  4. ^ "No. 16744". The London Gazette. 22 June 1813. p. 1228.
  5. ^ a b c Naval Chronicle, Vol. 31, p.254-5.
  6. ^ "No. 17048". The London Gazette. 5 August 1815. p. 1599.
  7. ^ James & Chamier (1837), Vol. 6, pp.259-61.
  8. ^ Long (1895), p. 199.

References edit

  • James, William & Frederick Chamier (1837) The naval history of Great Britain : from the declaration of war by France in 1793 to the accession of George IV. (London: R. Bentley).
  • Lavery, Brian (2003) The Ship of the Line - Volume 1: The development of the battlefleet 1650-1850. Conway Maritime Press. ISBN 0-85177-252-8.
  • Long, William H. (1895) Medals of the British navy and how they were won: with a list of those officers, who for their gallant conduct were granted honorary swords and plate by the Committee of the Patriotic Fund. (London: Norie & Wilson).

External links edit

  •   Media related to HMS Venerable (ship, 1808) at Wikimedia Commons

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For other ships with the same name see HMS Venerable HMS Venerable was a 74 gun third rate ship of the line of the Royal Navy launched on 12 April 1808 at Northfleet 2 HMS Venerable fighting the French frigate Alcmene on 16 January 1814HistoryUnited KingdomNameHMS VenerableOrdered31 January 1805BuilderPitcher NorthfleetLaid downDecember 1805Launched12 April 1808Honours andawardsNaval General Service Medal with clasp Venerable 16 Jany 1814 1 FateBroken up 1838General characteristics 2 Class and typeRepulse class ship of the lineTons burthen1716 bm Length174 ft 53 m gundeck Beam47 ft 4 in 14 43 m Depth of hold20 ft 6 1 m PropulsionSailsSail planFull rigged shipArmament74 guns Gundeck 28 32 pounder guns Upper gundeck 28 18 pounder guns QD 8 9 pounder guns 6 18 pounder carronades Fc 4 9 pounder guns Contents 1 Career 2 Fate 3 Notes 4 Citations 5 References 6 External linksCareer editOn 13 December 1810 Venerable was in company with the hired armed cutter Nimrod and several other vessels at the capture of Goede Trouw 3 On 12 March 1812 as the merchant ship Ramoncita was returning from Lima and Cadiz the French privateer Amelia captured her However HMS Virago recaptured Ramoncita The salvage money notice stated that Virago had been in company with Venerable Cumberland Elizabeth and Plantagenet 4 On 31 December 1813 she captured the French letter of marque brig Jason which became HMS Jason Jason of 264 tons bm was pierced for 22 guns but carried 14 12 of which she had thrown overboard when Venerable chased her She had left Bordeaux five days earlier and was sailing for New York with a cargo of silks wines and other articles of merchandise There were 64 people on board ten of whom were passengers She was on her maiden voyage copper bottomed and sailed so well Captain Worth took her under protection intending to go to Barbados 5 Venerable was Admiral Durham s flagship when on 16 January 1814 Venerable and her prize Jason were in company with Cyane Cyane spotted two 44 gun French frigates Alcmene and Iphigenie and signaled to Venerable Venerable joined her and after a chase that left Cyane far behind captured Alcmene though not without a fight Venerable lost two men dead and four wounded while the French lost 32 dead and 50 wounded Alcmene had a complement of 319 men under the command of Captain Ducrest de Villeneuve who was wounded when he brought her alongside Venerable and attempted a boarding 5 Jason and Cyane tracked Iphigenie and initially fired on her but broke off the engagement because they were outgunned Cyane continued the chase for over three days until Venerable was able to rejoin the fight after having sailed 153 miles in the direction she believed that Iphigenie had taken On 20 January 1814 after a 19 hour chase or what amounted in all to a four day chase Iphigenie Venerable captured the quarry having again left Cyane behind In the chase Iphigenie cast off her anchors and threw her boats overboard in order to try to gain speed She had a complement of 325 men under the command of Captain Emeric She apparently did not resist after Venerable came up 5 Note 1 Before meeting up with the British ships the two French vessels had taken some eight prizes 7 The action resulted in the award in 1847 to any surviving claimants of the Naval General Service Medal with clasp Venerable 16 Jany 1814 Venerable was able to locate Iphigenie because Commander Ducrest de Villeneuve of Alcmene was so angry at Captain Emeric who was the senior French commander for not having come alongside Venerable on the other side also to board that he essentially revealed the rendezvous instructions to Durham When some prisoners from Iphigenie s crew were brought on Venerable crew from Alcmene too were enraged Durham had to station Royal Marines between them with fixed bayonets to prevent fighting from breaking out 8 Fate editVenerable was placed on harbour service in 1825 and was broken up in 1838 2 Notes edit A first class share of the prize money for both vessels including head money for Alcmene was 819 16s 4 d a sixth class share that of an ordinary seaman for Iphigenie was worth 2 1s 8 d For Alcmene a sixth class share was worth 3 9s 4d 6 Citations edit No 20939 The London Gazette 26 January 1849 p 244 a b c Lavery Ships of the Line vol 1 p188 No 16543 The London Gazette 19 November 1811 p 2244 No 16744 The London Gazette 22 June 1813 p 1228 a b c Naval Chronicle Vol 31 p 254 5 No 17048 The London Gazette 5 August 1815 p 1599 James amp Chamier 1837 Vol 6 pp 259 61 Long 1895 p 199 References editJames William amp Frederick Chamier 1837 The naval history of Great Britain from the declaration of war by France in 1793 to the accession of George IV London R Bentley Lavery Brian 2003 The Ship of the Line Volume 1 The development of the battlefleet 1650 1850 Conway Maritime Press ISBN 0 85177 252 8 Long William H 1895 Medals of the British navy and how they were won with a list of those officers who for their gallant conduct were granted honorary swords and plate by the Committee of the Patriotic Fund London Norie amp Wilson External links edit nbsp Media related to HMS Venerable ship 1808 at Wikimedia Commons Retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title HMS Venerable 1808 amp oldid 1169827854, wikipedia, wiki, book, books, library,

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