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HMS Spider (1782)

HMS Spider was formerly the French privateer Victoire, built at Dunkirk in 1782, that the Royal Navy captured that same year. The Navy commissioned her as Spider. She served during both the French Revolutionary and early Napoleonic Wars, capturing some five French privateers before being sold at Malta in 1806 for breaking up.

History
France
NameVictoire
BuilderDunkirk
Launched1782
Captured18 June 1782
Great Britain
NameHMS Spider
Acquired18 June 1782 by capture
Honours and
awards
Naval General Service Medal with clasp "Egypt"[1]
FateSold 1806
General characteristics [2]
Tons burthen169 3294 (bm)
Length69 ft 0 in (21.0 m) (overall; 54 ft 1+34 in (16.5 m) (keel)
Beam24 ft 3 in (7.4 m)
Depth of hold10 ft 7 in (3.2 m)
Sail planSchooner, though occasionally referred to as a cutter
Complement
  • French privateer: 91 when captured
  • British Royal Navy: 50
Armament
  • French privateer: 2 × 8-pounder + 14 × 6-pounder guns
  • British Royal Navy: 12 × 4-pounder guns

Capture Edit

Stag captured Victoire off the Irish coast on 18 June 1782 after a chase of 11 hours. At the time, she was armed with two 8-pounder and fourteen 6-pounder guns (six of which she threw over-board during the chase), and had a crew of 91 men.[3]

Between the wars Edit

Victoire was already copper sheathed, but still the Royal Navy had her fitted at Plymouth for service in the Channel. Between October 1782 and 26 January 1784 she received metal braces while also on active duty. In British service she was much more lightly armed and crewed than she had been as a privateer.

Spider was commissioned in May 1783 for the Holyhead station under the command of Lieutenant Nichiolas Rooke. Rooke. She was paid off in June 1786, but immediately recommissioned under the command of Lieutenant Edward Edmonston. She was paid off in 1787, and apparently not recommissioned until October 1788, when Lieutenant Samuel Edwards assumed command. In 1790 Lieutenant William Layton replaced Edwards.[4]

French Revolutionary Wars Edit

Spider brought into Plymouth around 15 March 1793 the French privateer Sans-Culottes, as well as her prize, Susan, Cheater, master. Susan, of Pool, had been sailing from Alicante when captured. Spider captured Sans Culotte and recaptured Susan some seven leagues west of Guernsey on 5 March.[5] Sans-Culotte was a 15-ton and 20-man privateer from Saint-Malo, commissioned in 1793 under Captain Eudes.[6] At capture, Sans Culottes was armed with 12 swivel guns and had a crew of 22 men.[5]

At some point in 1795, Spider captured the privateer Desiree.[7]

In 1796 Lieutenant William Bevians replaced Layton. Then between January and April 1797 Spider underwent fitting as a schooner. Lieutenant Digby Dent assumed command.[2]

On 16 May 1797 Spider repulsed an attack by a French privateer lugger.[8] Spider then captured the French privateer Flibustier, of Saint-Malo.[Note 1] Spider was seven leagues south of The Lizard when she sighted and gave chase to a brig. After a chase of three hours, punctuated by fire from the quarry's stern chasers, Spider caught up with the brig just under the Lizard.[10] By one account Flibustier was armed with 16 guns and had a crew of 67 men.[8] Lieutenant Digby Dent, in his after-action letter, described her as having 14 guns (four of which she threw overboard during the chase), and a crew of 70 men under the command of Henry Capel. She was 11 days out of Saint-Malo but had not made any captures.[10] Spider brought her into Plymouth.[8]

Lieutenant Richard Harrison assumed command of Spider in February 1798.[Note 2] On 25 July 1799 Two Brothers, Drew, master, arrived at Plymouth. She had been smuggling 500 ankers of spirits when Spider captured her.[11]

In September he was at the Isle of Man where he impressed 50 herring fisherman, devastating the local trade and arousing a great local furor. The press gang was a long-standing grievance on the Isle.[12]

On 10 March 1799, Harrison brought into Falmouth some useful intelligence. That day he had detained a Prussian vessel. She had as a passenger an American who had been the master of a vessel that a French privateer had captured. The American reported that on 27 February 12 French frigates, transports, and supply ships, together with a number of troops, had sailed from Bordeaux for Brest. The next day, 18 more had sailed. Although the Lords of the Admiralty thought it unlikely that the flotilla was headed for Ireland, they thought it prudent to reinforce Admiral Kingsmill's squadron there with three vessels, Russell, Phoebe, and Proselyte.[13]

On 12 June 1800 Spider brought into Plymouth the lugger Expedition. She was a Cornish vessel, from Polperro, and was returning to Britain with 900 ankers of brandy, as well as tobacco and other smuggled goods.[14]

Although it is not clear when Spider sailed to the Mediterranean, Spider is listed as having served in the navy's Egyptian campaign (8 March to 2 September 1801). Consequently, her officers and crew qualified for the clasp "Egypt" to the Naval General Service Medal, which the Admiralty issued in 1847 to all surviving claimants.[1]

Spiderarrive at Plymouth Sound on 2 September 1801 after a voyage of ten weeks from Alexandria. She had as a passenger Captain Young, of the Royal Navy, who was carrying dispatches. Young landed and took a four-horse post chaise for London to deliver dispatches that he was carrying.[15]

In August 1802 Lieutenant George Ravenscroft took temporary command of Spider. Next month, Lieutenant Harding Shaw replaced Ravenscroft. He sailed her for the Mediterranean on 22 November.[2]

Napoleonic Wars Edit

In the Mediterranean, Admiral Lord Nelson, commander in chief in the Mediterranean, used Spider to carry messages to and from Malta. including to Corfu and Constantinople.

Around mid-1803 Spider captured a vessel that she then had to give up, presumably on the grounds that it was allied or neutral.[16] This may or may not have been related to Shaw's having, with two English merchantmen, recaptured three English vessels in the harbour at Girgenti or Grigenti (probably Agrigento), brought there by two French privateers.[17] Nelson deferred a judgement on the correctness of Shaw's action to Sir Alexander Ball, the chief commissioner at Malta.[18] (Later (i.e., by June 1804), Nelson fully endorsed Shaw's action, complaining that the Sicilian Government and that of the Republic of the Seven Islands were too free in letting French privateers use their ports.[19])

Then in a letter dated 5 November 1803, Nelson ordered Spider refitted because she was in a "miserable state".[20] Refitting was complete by 22 December.[21]

On 9 July 1804, Shaw and Spider captured the Ragusan brig Madonna del Rosario. She had been carrying a cargo of oil from Canea, Island of Candia (Crete), to Marseilles.[22]

On 5 September Shaw had a seaman flogged, apparently disturbing some of the crew. (Given the ubiquity of flogging in the Royal Navy, that the crew was disturbed suggests that some unfairness may have been involved.) Someone then threw a round-shot that landed near Shaw and the master, Mr. Langdon. When no-one would confess to having thrown the shot, Shaw had all the seamen given 12 lashes. On 6 September he wrote to reporting the situation. On 4 October, Nelson wrote back, admonishing Shaw. Nelson wrote, "I cannot approve of a measure so foreign to the rules of good discipline and the accustomed rules of his Majesty's Navy, and therefore caution you against a similar line of conduct."[23]

On 11 September, Lieutenant Harding Shaw and Spider were about three leagues from Alicante when they captured the French privateer Conception, of two brass guns and 47 men. Conception had been fitted out Ajacia, in Corsica, which she had left about a month earlier. The day before her capture she had left Grigenti. In the month she had been out she had made no captures. Shaw put 33 prisoners ashore at Alicante.[24][Note 3]

On 4 October Nelson wrote Shaw a second letter. Nelson had received a letter from Mr. Langdon alleging that Shaw had issued him certificates for pilot services (payment instructions), and demanded back half the pilotage charge. Nelson asked for an accounting of all such certificates in order to decide whether to open a public inquiry into Shaw's conduct. He also instructed Shaw not to pay for any more pilotage services except in extraordinary circumstances as in Nelson's opinion, Shaw was familiar with all the ports he might visit.[26]

Spider captured the French privateer Andromeda, of four guns and 43 men on 10 December 1805,[27] cutting her out of the port of Reggio.[28] She shared the prize money for the capture with Hirondelle.[29][Note 4]

Fate Edit

Spider was paid off at Malta in February 1806,[2] and sold there later in the year.

Notes Edit

  1. ^ Flibustier had been commissioned in either 1796 or '97 under J.-M. Capel. She was of 50 tons and had a complement of 40-70 men.[9]
  2. ^ Although one source gives Harrison's given name as James,[2] other sources show his given name as Richard.[4]
  3. ^ Conception was a privateer gondola sic commissioned at Ajaccio in 1801. In addition to her two guns she originally carried eight swivel guns. Apparently the British had captured her on 24 April 1804, but her crew had retaken her.[25]
  4. ^ Andromeda was commissioned in 1805, and was probably of Italian origin.[30]

Citations Edit

  1. ^ a b "No. 21077". The London Gazette. 15 March 1850. pp. 791–792.
  2. ^ a b c d e Winfield (2008), pp.354-5.
  3. ^ "No. 12308". The London Gazette. 25 June 1782. pp. 3–4.
  4. ^ a b "NMM, vessel ID 376182" (PDF). Warship Histories, vol x. National Maritime Museum. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2 August 2011. Retrieved 30 July 2011.
  5. ^ a b Lloyd's List, no. 2490.[1] - accessed 16 May 2016.
  6. ^ Demerliac (2004a), no 2052, p.243.
  7. ^ Norie (1827), p.481.
  8. ^ a b c Lloyd's List, no.2925.[2] - accessed 16 May 2016.
  9. ^ Demerliac (2004a), p.244, no. 2065.
  10. ^ a b "No. 14010". The London Gazette. 16 May 1797. p. 447.
  11. ^ Naval Chronicle, Vol. 2, p.257.
  12. ^ Memoirs and Proceedings of the Manchester Literary & Philosophical Society, Vol. 45, pp.37-8.
  13. ^ Castlereagh (1848), Vol. 2, pp.111-2.
  14. ^ Naval Chronicle, Vol. 6, p.511.
  15. ^ Naval Chronicle, Vol. 6, p.253.
  16. ^ Nicholas (1845), Vol. 5, p.233.
  17. ^ Nicolas (1845), Vol. 5, p.368.
  18. ^ Nicolas (1845), Vol. 5, p.205.
  19. ^ Nicolas (1846), Vol. 6, p.59.
  20. ^ Nicloas (1845), Vol. 5, p.280.
  21. ^ Nicolas (1845), Vol. 5, p.327.
  22. ^ Nicolas (1845), Vol. 6, p.187.
  23. ^ Nicolas (1946), Vol. 6, p.211.
  24. ^ "No. 15742". The London Gazette. 2 October 1804. p. 1238.
  25. ^ Demerliac (1804b), p,309, no. 2594.
  26. ^ Nicolas (1846), Vol. 6, p.213.
  27. ^ "No. 15887". The London Gazette. 4 February 1806. p. 163.
  28. ^ O'Byrne (1849), Vol. 1, p.201.
  29. ^ "No. 17247". The London Gazette. 3 May 1817. p. 1066.
  30. ^ Demerliac (2004b), p.312, no. 2651.

References Edit

  • Castlereach, Robert Stewart (Viscount) (1848) Memoirs and Correspondence of Viscount Castlereagh, Second Marquess of Londonderry. (H. Colburn).
  • Demerliac, Alain (2004). La Marine de la Révolution: Nomenclature des Navires Français de 1792 A 1799 (in French). Éditions Ancre. ISBN 2-906381-24-1.
  • Nicholas, Sir Nicholas Harris (1845) The Dispatches and Letters of Vice Admiral Lord Viscount Nelson: With Notes, Volume 5. (H. Colburn).
  • Nicholas, Sir Nicholas Harris (1846) The Dispatches and Letters of Vice Admiral Lord Viscount Nelson: With Notes, Volume 6. (H. Colburn).
  • Norie, J. W. (1827) The naval gazetteer, biographer and chronologist; containing a history of the late wars from ... 1793 to ... 1801; and from ... 1803 to 1815, and continued, as to the biographical part to the present time. (London, C. Wilson).
  • O’Byrne, William R. (1849) A naval biographical dictionary: comprising the life and services of every living officer in Her Majesty's navy, from the rank of admiral of the fleet to that of lieutenant, inclusive. (London: J. Murray), vol. 1.
  • Winfield, Rif (2007). British Warships in the Age of Sail 1714–1792: Design, Construction, Careers and Fates. Seaforth. ISBN 978-1844157006.
  • Winfield, Rif (2008). British Warships in the Age of Sail 1793–1817: Design, Construction, Careers and Fates. Seaforth. ISBN 978-1-86176-246-7.

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For other ships with the same name see HMS Spider HMS Spider was formerly the French privateer Victoire built at Dunkirk in 1782 that the Royal Navy captured that same year The Navy commissioned her as Spider She served during both the French Revolutionary and early Napoleonic Wars capturing some five French privateers before being sold at Malta in 1806 for breaking up HistoryFranceNameVictoireBuilderDunkirkLaunched1782Captured18 June 1782Great BritainNameHMS SpiderAcquired18 June 1782 by captureHonours andawardsNaval General Service Medal with clasp Egypt 1 FateSold 1806General characteristics 2 Tons burthen169 32 94 bm Length69 ft 0 in 21 0 m overall 54 ft 1 3 4 in 16 5 m keel Beam24 ft 3 in 7 4 m Depth of hold10 ft 7 in 3 2 m Sail planSchooner though occasionally referred to as a cutterComplementFrench privateer 91 when captured British Royal Navy 50ArmamentFrench privateer 2 8 pounder 14 6 pounder guns British Royal Navy 12 4 pounder guns Contents 1 Capture 2 Between the wars 3 French Revolutionary Wars 4 Napoleonic Wars 5 Fate 6 Notes 7 Citations 8 ReferencesCapture EditStag captured Victoire off the Irish coast on 18 June 1782 after a chase of 11 hours At the time she was armed with two 8 pounder and fourteen 6 pounder guns six of which she threw over board during the chase and had a crew of 91 men 3 Between the wars EditVictoire was already copper sheathed but still the Royal Navy had her fitted at Plymouth for service in the Channel Between October 1782 and 26 January 1784 she received metal braces while also on active duty In British service she was much more lightly armed and crewed than she had been as a privateer Spider was commissioned in May 1783 for the Holyhead station under the command of Lieutenant Nichiolas Rooke Rooke She was paid off in June 1786 but immediately recommissioned under the command of Lieutenant Edward Edmonston She was paid off in 1787 and apparently not recommissioned until October 1788 when Lieutenant Samuel Edwards assumed command In 1790 Lieutenant William Layton replaced Edwards 4 French Revolutionary Wars EditSpider brought into Plymouth around 15 March 1793 the French privateer Sans Culottes as well as her prize Susan Cheater master Susan of Pool had been sailing from Alicante when captured Spider captured Sans Culotte and recaptured Susan some seven leagues west of Guernsey on 5 March 5 Sans Culotte was a 15 ton and 20 man privateer from Saint Malo commissioned in 1793 under Captain Eudes 6 At capture Sans Culottes was armed with 12 swivel guns and had a crew of 22 men 5 At some point in 1795 Spider captured the privateer Desiree 7 In 1796 Lieutenant William Bevians replaced Layton Then between January and April 1797 Spider underwent fitting as a schooner Lieutenant Digby Dent assumed command 2 On 16 May 1797 Spider repulsed an attack by a French privateer lugger 8 Spider then captured the French privateer Flibustier of Saint Malo Note 1 Spider was seven leagues south of The Lizard when she sighted and gave chase to a brig After a chase of three hours punctuated by fire from the quarry s stern chasers Spider caught up with the brig just under the Lizard 10 By one account Flibustier was armed with 16 guns and had a crew of 67 men 8 Lieutenant Digby Dent in his after action letter described her as having 14 guns four of which she threw overboard during the chase and a crew of 70 men under the command of Henry Capel She was 11 days out of Saint Malo but had not made any captures 10 Spider brought her into Plymouth 8 Lieutenant Richard Harrison assumed command of Spider in February 1798 Note 2 On 25 July 1799 Two Brothers Drew master arrived at Plymouth She had been smuggling 500 ankers of spirits when Spider captured her 11 In September he was at the Isle of Man where he impressed 50 herring fisherman devastating the local trade and arousing a great local furor The press gang was a long standing grievance on the Isle 12 On 10 March 1799 Harrison brought into Falmouth some useful intelligence That day he had detained a Prussian vessel She had as a passenger an American who had been the master of a vessel that a French privateer had captured The American reported that on 27 February 12 French frigates transports and supply ships together with a number of troops had sailed from Bordeaux for Brest The next day 18 more had sailed Although the Lords of the Admiralty thought it unlikely that the flotilla was headed for Ireland they thought it prudent to reinforce Admiral Kingsmill s squadron there with three vessels Russell Phoebe and Proselyte 13 On 12 June 1800 Spider brought into Plymouth the lugger Expedition She was a Cornish vessel from Polperro and was returning to Britain with 900 ankers of brandy as well as tobacco and other smuggled goods 14 Although it is not clear when Spider sailed to the Mediterranean Spider is listed as having served in the navy s Egyptian campaign 8 March to 2 September 1801 Consequently her officers and crew qualified for the clasp Egypt to the Naval General Service Medal which the Admiralty issued in 1847 to all surviving claimants 1 Spiderarrive at Plymouth Sound on 2 September 1801 after a voyage of ten weeks from Alexandria She had as a passenger Captain Young of the Royal Navy who was carrying dispatches Young landed and took a four horse post chaise for London to deliver dispatches that he was carrying 15 In August 1802 Lieutenant George Ravenscroft took temporary command of Spider Next month Lieutenant Harding Shaw replaced Ravenscroft He sailed her for the Mediterranean on 22 November 2 Napoleonic Wars EditIn the Mediterranean Admiral Lord Nelson commander in chief in the Mediterranean used Spider to carry messages to and from Malta including to Corfu and Constantinople Around mid 1803 Spider captured a vessel that she then had to give up presumably on the grounds that it was allied or neutral 16 This may or may not have been related to Shaw s having with two English merchantmen recaptured three English vessels in the harbour at Girgenti or Grigenti probably Agrigento brought there by two French privateers 17 Nelson deferred a judgement on the correctness of Shaw s action to Sir Alexander Ball the chief commissioner at Malta 18 Later i e by June 1804 Nelson fully endorsed Shaw s action complaining that the Sicilian Government and that of the Republic of the Seven Islands were too free in letting French privateers use their ports 19 Then in a letter dated 5 November 1803 Nelson ordered Spider refitted because she was in a miserable state 20 Refitting was complete by 22 December 21 On 9 July 1804 Shaw and Spider captured the Ragusan brig Madonna del Rosario She had been carrying a cargo of oil from Canea Island of Candia Crete to Marseilles 22 On 5 September Shaw had a seaman flogged apparently disturbing some of the crew Given the ubiquity of flogging in the Royal Navy that the crew was disturbed suggests that some unfairness may have been involved Someone then threw a round shot that landed near Shaw and the master Mr Langdon When no one would confess to having thrown the shot Shaw had all the seamen given 12 lashes On 6 September he wrote to reporting the situation On 4 October Nelson wrote back admonishing Shaw Nelson wrote I cannot approve of a measure so foreign to the rules of good discipline and the accustomed rules of his Majesty s Navy and therefore caution you against a similar line of conduct 23 On 11 September Lieutenant Harding Shaw and Spider were about three leagues from Alicante when they captured the French privateer Conception of two brass guns and 47 men Conception had been fitted out Ajacia in Corsica which she had left about a month earlier The day before her capture she had left Grigenti In the month she had been out she had made no captures Shaw put 33 prisoners ashore at Alicante 24 Note 3 On 4 October Nelson wrote Shaw a second letter Nelson had received a letter from Mr Langdon alleging that Shaw had issued him certificates for pilot services payment instructions and demanded back half the pilotage charge Nelson asked for an accounting of all such certificates in order to decide whether to open a public inquiry into Shaw s conduct He also instructed Shaw not to pay for any more pilotage services except in extraordinary circumstances as in Nelson s opinion Shaw was familiar with all the ports he might visit 26 Spider captured the French privateer Andromeda of four guns and 43 men on 10 December 1805 27 cutting her out of the port of Reggio 28 She shared the prize money for the capture with Hirondelle 29 Note 4 Fate EditSpider was paid off at Malta in February 1806 2 and sold there later in the year Notes Edit Flibustier had been commissioned in either 1796 or 97 under J M Capel She was of 50 tons and had a complement of 40 70 men 9 Although one source gives Harrison s given name as James 2 other sources show his given name as Richard 4 Conception was a privateer gondola sic commissioned at Ajaccio in 1801 In addition to her two guns she originally carried eight swivel guns Apparently the British had captured her on 24 April 1804 but her crew had retaken her 25 Andromeda was commissioned in 1805 and was probably of Italian origin 30 Citations Edit a b No 21077 The London Gazette 15 March 1850 pp 791 792 a b c d e Winfield 2008 pp 354 5 No 12308 The London Gazette 25 June 1782 pp 3 4 a b NMM vessel ID 376182 PDF Warship Histories vol x National Maritime Museum Archived from the original PDF on 2 August 2011 Retrieved 30 July 2011 a b Lloyd s List no 2490 1 accessed 16 May 2016 Demerliac 2004a no 2052 p 243 Norie 1827 p 481 a b c Lloyd s List no 2925 2 accessed 16 May 2016 Demerliac 2004a p 244 no 2065 a b No 14010 The London Gazette 16 May 1797 p 447 Naval Chronicle Vol 2 p 257 Memoirs and Proceedings of the Manchester Literary amp Philosophical Society Vol 45 pp 37 8 Castlereagh 1848 Vol 2 pp 111 2 Naval Chronicle Vol 6 p 511 Naval Chronicle Vol 6 p 253 Nicholas 1845 Vol 5 p 233 Nicolas 1845 Vol 5 p 368 Nicolas 1845 Vol 5 p 205 Nicolas 1846 Vol 6 p 59 Nicloas 1845 Vol 5 p 280 Nicolas 1845 Vol 5 p 327 Nicolas 1845 Vol 6 p 187 Nicolas 1946 Vol 6 p 211 No 15742 The London Gazette 2 October 1804 p 1238 Demerliac 1804b p 309 no 2594 Nicolas 1846 Vol 6 p 213 No 15887 The London Gazette 4 February 1806 p 163 O Byrne 1849 Vol 1 p 201 No 17247 The London Gazette 3 May 1817 p 1066 Demerliac 2004b p 312 no 2651 References EditCastlereach Robert Stewart Viscount 1848 Memoirs and Correspondence of Viscount Castlereagh Second Marquess of Londonderry H Colburn Demerliac Alain 2004 La Marine de la Revolution Nomenclature des Navires Francais de 1792 A 1799 in French Editions Ancre ISBN 2 906381 24 1 Nicholas Sir Nicholas Harris 1845 The Dispatches and Letters of Vice Admiral Lord Viscount Nelson With Notes Volume 5 H Colburn Nicholas Sir Nicholas Harris 1846 The Dispatches and Letters of Vice Admiral Lord Viscount Nelson With Notes Volume 6 H Colburn Norie J W 1827 The naval gazetteer biographer and chronologist containing a history of the late wars from 1793 to 1801 and from 1803 to 1815 and continued as to the biographical part to the present time London C Wilson O Byrne William R 1849 A naval biographical dictionary comprising the life and services of every living officer in Her Majesty s navy from the rank of admiral of the fleet to that of lieutenant inclusive London J Murray vol 1 Winfield Rif 2007 British Warships in the Age of Sail 1714 1792 Design Construction Careers and Fates Seaforth ISBN 978 1844157006 Winfield Rif 2008 British Warships in the Age of Sail 1793 1817 Design Construction Careers and Fates Seaforth ISBN 978 1 86176 246 7 This article includes data released under a Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 3 0 Unported UK England amp Wales Licence by the National Maritime Museum as part of the Warship Histories project Retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title HMS Spider 1782 amp oldid 1167690428, wikipedia, wiki, book, 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