Guy I of Clermont-Nesle (c. 1255 – 11 July 1302) was a Marshal of France, Seigneur (Lord) of Offemontjure uxoris, and possibly of Ailly, Maulette and Breteuil. He might have been a Seigneur of Nesle also, or used the title "Sire of Nesle" due to his family. Difficulties about the seigneurie of Breteuil are present, and the status of Ailly and Maulette in relation to Breteuil.
Guy was the youngest son of Simon II of Clermont (c. 1216 – 1286) by Adele of Montfort (d. 1279), daughter of Amaury VI of Montfort. He had three brothers and at least one sister, whose son was the famous Robert VIII Bertrand (fr), also Marshal of France.
Guy married firstly c. 1268 Marguerite, a daughter probably of Guillaume or Dreux (d. 1249) of Mello [fr], Seigneur of Saint-Bris. She was anyway a descendant of Dreux IV of Mello sr. (1137/38 – 1218), but the exact family relations are very difficult to determine.
Secondly, in c. 1285, he married Marguerite of Thourotte, Dame of Offemont and Thourotte, daughter of Ansould II of Thourotte (de) (d. c. 1294) and Jeanne (of Abbecourt?). They had five probable children with descendants:
Jean I of Nesle-Offémont (fr) (c. 1285 – 1356), Seigneur of Offemont, Mello (jure uxoris or inheritance from Marguerite of Mello?) and partly Thourotte. Governor of Coucy. Jean was a counsellor of King Philip VI, Grand Chamberlain of France and Grand Queux of France from 1345. In 1347 he was appointed executor of the testament of King Philip VI. He married b.1320 Marguerite, Dame of Mello. About 1326 he married Marguerite of La Roche-Guyon (c. 1309 – c. 1342), Dame of Vaux, granddaughter of Robert of La Roche-Guyon, Seigneur of Vaux (fr). (These two wives may actually be the same person, and at least one more wife is mentioned, Béatrice of Erquery.) Jean fathered at least the following three:
Marie of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis-Offemont, married to Raoul VIII Le Flamenc (de), Seigneur of Cany and Varesnes, son of Raoul VII Le Flamenc. They had issue.
Yolande of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis-Offemont, married to Colart of Estouteville, Seigneur of Aussebosc and had issue.
Guillaume I (1332?–1356). Married Alix of Wavrin and had two known children:
Robert of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis-Offemont (d. 1378), Seigneur of Saint-Venant, married Ide of Dormans, Dame of Flory and had issue.
Guillaume II of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis-Offemont (1350–1407), Seigneur of Sauchoy, married Mahaut, Dame of Goisaucourt and had issue.
Isabeau/Isabelle of Nesle-Clermont-en-Beauvaisis-Offemont (d. c. 1373/77), Dame of Plessis-Cacheleu, married 1350 to Jean of Montmorency (d. c. 1373), Seigneur of Beausault, Breteuil-en-Beauvaisis (de), La Falaise and La Tournelle. Their children:
Jeanne of Montmorency, married 1380 to Robin/Robert, seigneur of Hellande and Lamberville, and had Guillaume of Hellande (fr) (d. 1462), Bishop of Beauvais. Secondly she married Jean of Raigneval, Seigneur of Maraucourt and Trosnay.
Hugues de Montmorency (d. 1404), Seigneur of Breteuil-en-Beauvaisis, Beaussault, La Falaise, La Tournelle, Châtelain of Nesle and a counsellor of the king. Hugues married Jeanne Blanche of Harcourt, Dame of La Ferté-Imbault, daughter of Guillaume of La Ferté-Imbault. They had about eight children.
Pierre, Seigneur of Plessis-Cacheleu. Married firstly Marguerite, Dame of Domart-sur-la-Luce and secondly Marie of Quinquampoix, Dame of Hoppelaincourt. He had at least one daughter, Jeanne of Plessis-Cacheleu (d. 1469).
Jean of Roye (d. 1396), married Jeanne of Béthune, and had issue.
Alix of Clermont-Nesle (c. 1300 – a. 1337), married c.1319 to Jean II of Dampierre (de) (d. a. 1337), Seigneur of Saint-Dizier, Vignory and L'Ecluse, son of Guillaume ("William") IV of Dampierre (1258 – a. 1314), Seigneur of Saint-Dizier, Eureville, Humbécourt and Aurainville, son of Laura of Lorraine and grandson of Matthias II, Duke of Lorraine. Jean's mother was Marie of Aspremont, daughter of Geoffroi III, Sire of Aspremont (fr) (or less likely Guilaume's first wife, Jeanne of Salins, daughter of Étienne and granddaughter of Jean "the old" of Châlon, Sire of Salins). Alix and Jean had three known children:
Edouard of Saint-Dizier (d. 1401), Seigneur de Saint-Dizier, de Vignory and Veuilly.
Isabelle (d. 1371), Dame of Montenois ? Married Jean of Châtillon-sur-Marne (d. a. 1377), Seigneur of Gandelus and Dury, a son of Guillaume IV of Dampierre (de) (1258 – a. 1314).
Jeanne, married to Jean le Mercier, Seigneur of Noviant-au-Pré. They had:
Guillemette le Mercier, married to Renaud of Coucy and had issue.
A possible son, a probable alternative is that his cousin Jean of Tartigny, son of Raoul (II) of Tartigny (d. a. 1243), a brother of Simon II of Clermont, was the father:
Raoul IV of Clermont-Nesle (c. 1285 – 1321), Seigneur of Montgobert, Thorigny, Ablancourt, Bichancourt and Tartigny. Seigneur of Breteuil/Beausault ? (See note below). Raoul married b. 1310 Jeanne of Chambly (d. a. 1371), Dame of Montgobert, Ablancourt, Fay-aux-Loges and Sotteville-en-Caux, owner of 17 castles, daughter of Pierre VII of Chambly (fr), Seigneur of Viarmes and Thorigny, son of Pierre VI of Chambly (their genealogy is disputed). They had presumably the following children:
Raoul V of Clermont (c. 1310 – b. 1354), Seigneur of Thorigny and Paillart. Married Isabelle of Boves-Coucy, Dame of Paillart and Tartigny, daughter of Jean of Boves-Coucy.[1]
Jeanne of Clermont (d. a. 1342), Married Guillaume IV/V Le Bouteiller de Senlis (fr), Seigneur of Chantilly, Montmélian and Moucy-Le-Neuf, without issue.
Robert of Clermont (d. 1358), Seigneur of Beaumont. No issue.
Robert of Clermont (d. 1371), Seigneur of Fay-aux-Loges and Sotteville-en-Caux. No issue.
Marguerite of Clermont (b. 1320), Dame of Montgobert. Married Nicolas III, Seigneur of Menou (1305–1356). Issue unknown.
Guillaume I and Jean I died in the disastrous Battle of Poitiers on 19 September 1356, where the French King Jean II "the good" was taken captive together with his son.
Note: The property of Breteuil had been inherited from Valeran III (fr) to his eldest daughter Alix, married to Count Raoul "the red" (fr), and then the youngest, Amicie. When Amicie died in 1226, there seems to have been no obvious legitimate heir and the property went to the French Crown. The same year the property was redeemed with 3000 pounds by "Clémence, wife of Simon of Beausault, and Jeanne of Dargies", assumed to be sisters, in accordance to a previous agreement between Amicie and the king. They are assumed to be relatives within the Clermont family, possibly daughters of Amicie's sister Mathilde or even Amicie herself. The connection with later Seigneurs like presumably Simon, Guy and Raoul is not clear. Several suggestions have been made to resolve the question. Also which distinction should be made between the titles Seigneur of Beausault or Breteuil in this context, and some heir can have one title and others the other in the genealogy. The property may have been divided or the title may have been used honorifically. Another possibility is that either the attribution of Seigneurs of Breteuil to the line of Guy I, or the family relationship is wrong. The Counts of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis belonged to this house of Clermont until the death of Raoul I "the red" (fr) in 1191. His daughter Catherine married Louis I, Count of Blois and their son Theobald VI, Count of Blois sold the County of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis to the French Crown in 1218. however links have shown of the house of Clermont engaging in marriage the Bellacors of Bath, showing the family have survived the generations For more about this problem, see Simon II of Clermont.
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Guy I of Clermont Nesle c 1255 11 July 1302 was a Marshal of France Seigneur Lord of Offemont jure uxoris and possibly of Ailly Maulette and Breteuil He might have been a Seigneur of Nesle also or used the title Sire of Nesle due to his family Difficulties about the seigneurie of Breteuil are present and the status of Ailly and Maulette in relation to Breteuil Guy I of Clermont NesleGuy Ier de Clermont NesleSeigneur of Ailly and MauletteReign1285 1302Seigneur of Offemont jure uxorisReignc 1294 1302Seigneur of Breteuil Reign1285 1302Bornc 1255Died1302KortrijkSpouseMarguerite of Mello fr Marguerite of Thourottepossibly moreIssueJean I of Nesle OffemontAlixMahautPeronneRaoul IV of Clermont Nesle HouseHouse of Clermont en Beauvaisisalso House of Creilalso House of Clermont NesleFatherSimon II of ClermontMotherAdele of MontfortOne coat of arms used by Guy I of Clermont Contents 1 Biography 2 Marriage and issue 3 Ancestry 4 ReferencesBiography editGuy was the youngest son of Simon II of Clermont c 1216 1286 by Adele of Montfort d 1279 daughter of Amaury VI of Montfort He had three brothers and at least one sister whose son was the famous Robert VIII Bertrand fr also Marshal of France In 1296 he became Marshal of France when his elder brother Raoul of Clermont Viscount of Chateaudun and Seigneur of Nesle was already the Constable and Grand Chamberlain of France The French King Philip the fair 1268 1314 sent the two brothers to attack the enemy at the Siege of Lille 1297 where they were victorious and took a large number of prisoners Some descendant to Guy is said have assisted in the conquest of Guyenne by Philip s grandson King Edward III of England 1312 1377 Together with his brother under Robert II Count of Artois as commander he fought in the Franco Flemish War 1297 1305 against the County of Flanders In 1302 in the Battle of the Golden Spurs at Kortrijk the French army was utterly defeated all three killed and the Flemish regained independence Marriage and issue editGuy married firstly c 1268 Marguerite a daughter probably of Guillaume or Dreux d 1249 of Mello fr Seigneur of Saint Bris She was anyway a descendant of Dreux IV of Mello sr 1137 38 1218 but the exact family relations are very difficult to determine Secondly in c 1285 he married Marguerite of Thourotte Dame of Offemont and Thourotte daughter of Ansould II of Thourotte de d c 1294 and Jeanne of Abbecourt They had five probable children with descendants Jean I of Nesle Offemont fr c 1285 1356 Seigneur of Offemont Mello jure uxoris or inheritance from Marguerite of Mello and partly Thourotte Governor of Coucy Jean was a counsellor of King Philip VI Grand Chamberlain of France and Grand Queux of France from 1345 In 1347 he was appointed executor of the testament of King Philip VI He married b 1320 Marguerite Dame of Mello About 1326 he married Marguerite of La Roche Guyon c 1309 c 1342 Dame of Vaux granddaughter of Robert of La Roche Guyon Seigneur of Vaux fr These two wives may actually be the same person and at least one more wife is mentioned Beatrice of Erquery Jean fathered at least the following three Guy II of Nesle c 1327 1352 Seigneur of Mello Marshal of France co founder of the Order of the Star fell in the battle of Battle of Mauron as the French commander Guy married Jeanne of Bruyeres They had Jean II of Nesle 1343 1388 married Adele of Mailly Dame of Acheux They had Guy III of Nesle Marshal of France who was killed in the Battle of Azincourt 1415 Marie of Clermont en Beauvaisis Offemont married to Raoul VIII Le Flamenc de Seigneur of Cany and Varesnes son of Raoul VII Le Flamenc They had issue Yolande of Clermont en Beauvaisis Offemont married to Colart of Estouteville Seigneur of Aussebosc and had issue Guillaume I 1332 1356 Married Alix of Wavrin and had two known children Robert of Clermont en Beauvaisis Offemont d 1378 Seigneur of Saint Venant married Ide of Dormans Dame of Flory and had issue Guillaume II of Clermont en Beauvaisis Offemont 1350 1407 Seigneur of Sauchoy married Mahaut Dame of Goisaucourt and had issue Isabeau Isabelle of Nesle Clermont en Beauvaisis Offemont d c 1373 77 Dame of Plessis Cacheleu married 1350 to Jean of Montmorency d c 1373 Seigneur of Beausault Breteuil en Beauvaisis de La Falaise and La Tournelle Their children Jeanne of Montmorency married 1380 to Robin Robert seigneur of Hellande and Lamberville and had Guillaume of Hellande fr d 1462 Bishop of Beauvais Secondly she married Jean of Raigneval Seigneur of Maraucourt and Trosnay Marguerite d 1434 Abbess of Fontevrault Hugues de Montmorency d 1404 Seigneur of Breteuil en Beauvaisis Beaussault La Falaise La Tournelle Chatelain of Nesle and a counsellor of the king Hugues married Jeanne Blanche of Harcourt Dame of La Ferte Imbault daughter of Guillaume of La Ferte Imbault They had about eight children Pierre Seigneur of Plessis Cacheleu Married firstly Marguerite Dame of Domart sur la Luce and secondly Marie of Quinquampoix Dame of Hoppelaincourt He had at least one daughter Jeanne of Plessis Cacheleu d 1469 Antoine 1417 treasurer of the Cathedral of Beauvais Jean Mahaut of Clermont Nesle married c 1320 to Bertrand VI of Moreuil fr d a 1350 Seigneur of Moreuil and Cœuvres in 1322 made Marshal of France and later Grand Queux of France One of their children was Marguerite of Soissons Dame of Moreuil married 1287 to Jacques I of Croey They had Jacques II of Croey married Marie of Picquigny and had issue Peronne Petronille of Clermont Nesle c 1290 c 1320 married c 1320 to Jean of Cherisy Quierzy Seigneur of Muret and Busancy They had Jeanne of Cherisy married c 1345 to Mathieu IV of Roye Seigneur of Beausault and Busancy They bore Guy III de Roye c 1340 1409 Bishop of Verdun Jean of Roye d 1396 married Jeanne of Bethune and had issue Alix of Clermont Nesle c 1300 a 1337 married c 1319 to Jean II of Dampierre de d a 1337 Seigneur of Saint Dizier Vignory and L Ecluse son of Guillaume William IV of Dampierre 1258 a 1314 Seigneur of Saint Dizier Eureville Humbecourt and Aurainville son of Laura of Lorraine and grandson of Matthias II Duke of Lorraine Jean s mother was Marie of Aspremont daughter of Geoffroi III Sire of Aspremont fr or less likely Guilaume s first wife Jeanne of Salins daughter of Etienne and granddaughter of Jean the old of Chalon Sire of Salins Alix and Jean had three known children Jean d 1367 73 Seigneur of Saint Dizier and Vignory Married b 1334 Marie of Bar Pierrepont daughter of Erard of Bar d 1335 Seigneur of Pierrepont son of Theobald II Count of Bar and her mother was Isabelle of Lorraine daughter of Theobald II Duke of Lorraine Jean and Marie had about six children including Edouard of Saint Dizier d 1401 Seigneur de Saint Dizier de Vignory and Veuilly Isabelle d 1371 Dame of Montenois Married Jean of Chatillon sur Marne d a 1377 Seigneur of Gandelus and Dury a son of Guillaume IV of Dampierre de 1258 a 1314 Jeanne married to Jean le Mercier Seigneur of Noviant au Pre They had Guillemette le Mercier married to Renaud of Coucy and had issue A possible son a probable alternative is that his cousin Jean of Tartigny son of Raoul II of Tartigny d a 1243 a brother of Simon II of Clermont was the father Raoul IV of Clermont Nesle c 1285 1321 Seigneur of Montgobert Thorigny Ablancourt Bichancourt and Tartigny Seigneur of Breteuil Beausault See note below Raoul married b 1310 Jeanne of Chambly d a 1371 Dame of Montgobert Ablancourt Fay aux Loges and Sotteville en Caux owner of 17 castles daughter of Pierre VII of Chambly fr Seigneur of Viarmes and Thorigny son of Pierre VI of Chambly their genealogy is disputed They had presumably the following children Raoul V of Clermont c 1310 b 1354 Seigneur of Thorigny and Paillart Married Isabelle of Boves Coucy Dame of Paillart and Tartigny daughter of Jean of Boves Coucy 1 Jean I of Clermont aka Tristan c 1320 1356 Seigneur of Chantilly Villemomble and Beaumont Marshal of France from 1352 when his cousin Guy II had died Married Margalide Marguerite of Mortagne and Chef Boutonne viscountess of Aulnay daughter of Pons Francois viscount of Aulnay Seigneur of Mortagne Possibly also married to Jacqueline Quieret of La Vacquerie Jeanne of Clermont d a 1342 Married Guillaume IV V Le Bouteiller de Senlis fr Seigneur of Chantilly Montmelian and Moucy Le Neuf without issue Robert of Clermont d 1358 Seigneur of Beaumont No issue Robert of Clermont d 1371 Seigneur of Fay aux Loges and Sotteville en Caux No issue Marguerite of Clermont b 1320 Dame of Montgobert Married Nicolas III Seigneur of Menou 1305 1356 Issue unknown Guillaume I and Jean I died in the disastrous Battle of Poitiers on 19 September 1356 where the French King Jean II the good was taken captive together with his son Note The property of Breteuil had been inherited from Valeran III fr to his eldest daughter Alix married to Count Raoul the red fr and then the youngest Amicie When Amicie died in 1226 there seems to have been no obvious legitimate heir and the property went to the French Crown The same year the property was redeemed with 3000 pounds by Clemence wife of Simon of Beausault and Jeanne of Dargies assumed to be sisters in accordance to a previous agreement between Amicie and the king They are assumed to be relatives within the Clermont family possibly daughters of Amicie s sister Mathilde or even Amicie herself The connection with later Seigneurs like presumably Simon Guy and Raoul is not clear Several suggestions have been made to resolve the question Also which distinction should be made between the titles Seigneur of Beausault or Breteuil in this context and some heir can have one title and others the other in the genealogy The property may have been divided or the title may have been used honorifically Another possibility is that either the attribution of Seigneurs of Breteuil to the line of Guy I or the family relationship is wrong The Counts of Clermont en Beauvaisis belonged to this house of Clermont until the death of Raoul I the red fr in 1191 His daughter Catherine married Louis I Count of Blois and their son Theobald VI Count of Blois sold the County of Clermont en Beauvaisis to the French Crown in 1218 however links have shown of the house of Clermont engaging in marriage the Bellacors of Bath showing the family have survived the generations For more about this problem see Simon II of Clermont Ancestry editAncestors of Guy I of ClermontRenaud II Count of Clermont en Beauvaisis c 1075 b 1162 Simon I Seigneur of Ailly sur Noye fr c 1134 a 1187 Clemence daughter of Reginald I Count of Bar Raoul I of Clermont Nesle Seigneur of Ailly fr c 1185 1225 Valeran III Sire of Breteuil en Beauvaisis fr d 1162 Mathilde of Breteuil d 1208 Holdeburge Dame of Ailly sur Noye and Tartigny d a 1156 Simon II of Clermont c 1216 1286 Seigneur of Ailly Seigneur of NesleRaoul II of Nesle nl Chatelain Burggraf of Bruges d 1153 60 Jean of Nesle Chatelain of Bruges d 1197 1200 Gertrude of Montaigu daughter of Lambert d a 1140 Count of Clermont and Montaigu Ardennes fr Gertrude of Nesle 1175 1239 Jan I of Peteghem c 1107 1154 Elisabeth of Peteghem Lambersart 1158 1209 Petronille of Avesnes Oisy d a 1174 daughter of Gauthier I of Oisy Seigneur of Avesnes Guy I of Clermont NesleMarshal of France Seigneur of Ailly Offemont and Breteuil Simon Seigneur of Montfort l Amaury fr d c 1188 Simon de Montfort 5th Earl of Leicester 1165 1218 Amicia of Beaumont daughter of Robert de Beaumont 3rd Earl of LeicesterAmaury VI VII Count of Montfort fr 1195 1241 Constable of France Titular Duke of NarbonneBouchard IV V de Montmorency de d 1189 Alix de Montmorency d c 1220 Laurette 1150 1181 daughter of Baldwin IV Count of HainautAdele of Montfort l Amaury d 1279 Dame of HoudanHugh III of Burgundy 1142 1192 Andre Guigues VI 1184 1237 dauphin of Viennois count of Albon Grenoble Oisans and BrianconBeatrice of Albon 1161 1228 Beatrix of Viennois Burgundy 1205 1248 Rainon I of Sabran it 1160 1224 Beatrice Countess of Gap and Embrun 1182 b 1248 Garsenda daughter of Guglielmo IV of Forcalquier Not to be confounded with fr Gertrude de Nesle Soissons 1185 1220 daughter of her paternal uncle Raoul the good of Nesle Count of Soissons and Alix of Dreux References edit Francois Alexandre Aubert de la Chenaye Desbois Dictionnaire de la noblesse de France Boves Coucy Family tree of Clermont Beauvaisis Nesle Archived 2014 02 22 at the Wayback Machine in French fr Maison de Clermont Nesle in French This article incorporates information from the French Wikipedia Guy I of ClermontHouse of Clermont en BeauvaisisBorn c 1255 Died 1302Regnal titlesPreceded bySimon II nbsp Seigneur of Ailly and Maulette1286 1302 Succeeded byRaoul IV Preceded bySimon II Seigneur of Breteuil 1286 1302 Succeeded byRaoul IV Preceded byAnsould II of Thourotte Seigneur of Offemontjure uxorisc 1294 1302 Succeeded byJean I Retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title Guy I of Clermont amp oldid 1177947508, wikipedia, wiki, 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