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Commodore Submarine Service

January 05, 2024

For other uses, see Flag Officer Submarines (India).

Commodore Submarine Service is a post in the Royal Navy which involves command of the Royal Navy Submarine Service. It evolved from the post of Inspecting Captain of Submarines in 1901 and would later evolve to become the post of Flag Officer Submarines in 1944.

Commodore Submarine Service
Ensign of the Royal Navy
Incumbent
Commodore Paul Dunn OBE
since 26 July 2022
Ministry of Defence
Member ofBoard of Admiralty, Admiralty Board
Reports toFleet Commander
NominatorSecretary of State for Defence
AppointerPrime Minister
Subject to formal approval by the Queen-in-Council
Term lengthNot fixed (typically 2–3 years)
Inaugural holderRear-Admiral Douglas Dent
Formation1901

History edit

In 1904 the Admiralty created the post of Inspecting Captain of Submarines which lasted until August 1912 when Captain Roger J. B. Keyes was appointed Commodore, Submarine Service. He held that position until February 1919[1] when the post holder was renamed Chief of the Submarine Service. It was for many years located at HMS Dolphin in Hampshire.[2]

On 30 August 1939 Rear Admiral Submarines, Rear Admiral Bertram Watson, moved his headquarters from Gosport to Aberdour, Scotland, though the administrative staff remained at Gosport. The RN started the Second World War with 60 submarines.[3] On 31 August 1939 the Second Submarine Flotilla at Dundee (Forth and ten submarines) and the Sixth Submarine Flotilla at Blyth (Titania and six submarines) were part of the Home Fleet. The submarines Clyde and Severn, part of the Seventh Submarine Flotilla, were at Freetown under the orders of the Commander-in-Chief, South Atlantic. Ten submarines were in the Mediterranean along with the depot ship Maidstone (First Submarine Flotilla); and the submarine depot ship Medway and the Fourth Submarine Flotilla were under the Commander-in-Chief, China, split between Singapore and Hong Kong.[4] Roskill writes that the effective naval strength of the British Empire on the outbreak of war included 38 submarines.[4]

During the war the major operating arenas were the Norwegian waters; the Mediterranean where the Tenth Submarine Flotilla fought a successful battle against the Axis replenishment route to North Africa; and the Far East where Royal Navy submarines disrupted Japanese shipping operating in the Malacca Straits.[5]

In January 1940, Vice-Admiral Max Horton was made Rear Admiral Submarines. Horton's biographer, Rear Admiral William S. Chalmers, cites the opinion that a new regulation, which required the post holder to be an officer who had served aboard submarines in the Great War, was forced through for the sole purpose of ensuring that Horton was on a very short list of qualifiers for this post, almost ensuring his rapid transfer to Aberdour, so great was the desire of some within the Admiralty to have Horton revitalize the submarine arm.[6]

From 1953 the Flag Officer Submarines was dual-hatted as NATO Commander Submarine Force Eastern Atlantic (COMSUBEASTLANT) under Commander Submarine Allied Command Atlantic (COMSUBACLANT), a major command of Supreme Allied Commander Atlantic. Flag Officer Submarines moved from Dolphin to the Northwood Headquarters in 1978.[7] From 1993 the post of Flag Officer Submarines was dual-hatted with the post of Commander Operations.[8]

In 2015, Rear Admiral John Weale was appointed Rear Admiral Submarines/Assistant Chief of Naval Staff Submarines, while Rear Admiral Robert Tarrant is Commander Operations (Royal Navy), two distinct posts from 2015.[9][8] In 2016, a new entity, the Submarine Flotilla, was technically established, but its commander's post was to be held by Commander Faslane Flotilla.[10] A single submarine base was to be achieved by 2020 when HMS Talent and HMS Triumph moved their homeports to the Clyde in 2019 and 2020 respectively.[10]

On 1 April 2020, the post of Commander Submarine Flotilla was announced at HMNB Clyde,[11] seemingly a renaming of the post of Commander Faslane Flotilla.[11]

As of December 2020, official Royal Navy Freedom of Information responses said that "the combined 2* Rear Admiral post of Assistant Chief of the Naval Staff (ACNS) (Submarines)(SM), Flag Officer Scotland and Northern Ireland (FOSNI) and Rear Admiral Submarines has been disestablished. The ACNS (SM) role and Rear Admiral Submarines roles have been [lowered] to Commodore and retitled Deputy Director Submarines and Commodore Submarine Service. The role of Flag Officer Scotland and Northern Ireland role has been retitled as Senior Naval Officer Scotland and Northern Ireland (SNOSNI) and is currently held by 1* Deputy Director Submarines."[12]

Commanding edit

Post holders have included:[8]

Inspecting Captain of Submarines edit

  • Captain Reginald H. S. Bacon, 20 August 1901 – 21 October 1904[1] Initial appointment title was Inspecting Captain of Submarine Boats (Richard Compton-Hall, 115).
  • Captain Edgar Lees, 21 October 1904, (later RAdm.)[1]
  • Captain Sydney S. Hall, 12 November 1906 – 14 November 1910 (later Adm.)[1]
  • Captain Roger J. B. Keyes, 14 November 1910 - July 1912[1]

Commodore Submarine Service edit

Chief of the Submarine Service edit

Rear-Admiral Submarines edit

Flag Officer Submarines edit

Rear-Admiral Submarines edit

Commodore Submarine Service edit

  • Commodore James Perks CBE (2020–2022): as of December 2020, Senior Naval Officer Scotland and Northern Ireland, Deputy Director Submarines, and Commodore Submarine Service.[12]
  • Commodore Paul Dunn OBE (2022–present)[14]

References edit

  1. ^ a b c d e f Harley & Lovell 2015.
  2. ^ "Submarine School". Retrieved 6 September 2015.
  3. ^ "Royal, Dominion & Allied Navies in World War II: Beginning and End, 1939 and 1945". Naval-history.net. 2010.
  4. ^ a b Roskill, Stephen W. (1954). "Chapter 4: Allied and Enemy War Plans and Dispositions". History of the Second World War: The War at Sea 1939-1945: The Defensive. London: HMSO. pp. 47–49.
  5. ^ . Royal Navy. 2008. Archived from the original on 13 September 2008.
  6. ^ Chalmers (1954), Chapter X.
  7. ^ Conley, p. 136
  8. ^ a b c "Senior Royal Navy Appointments" (PDF). Retrieved 6 September 2015.
  9. ^ "Rear Admiral John Weale" (PDF). Retrieved 21 January 2016.
  10. ^ a b Submariners Association (2016). "FORMATION OF THE SUBMARINE FLOTILLA (SUBFLOT) (Serial Galaxy 30-2015 Dated 15th December 2015)" (PDF). PERISCOPE VIEW The Newsletter of the Barrow-in Furness Branch of the Submariners Association.
  11. ^ a b See it here
  12. ^ a b "Response to Freedom of Information Request". Ministry of Defence. 16 December 2020. Retrieved 15 April 2022.
  13. ^ a b "Rear Admiral Niall Kilgour (Chairman of Trustees) – Royal Navy Club of 1765 and 1785 (united 1889)". Retrieved 2022-04-15.
  14. ^ "Celebrated head of the Royal Navy's Submarine Service retires". Royal Navy. 26 July 2022. Retrieved 26 July 2022.
  • Harley, Simon; Lovell, Tony (3 November 2015). "Inspecting Captain of Submarines - The Dreadnought Project". www.dreadnoughtproject.org. Harley and Lovell. Retrieved 15 March 2018.
  • "U.K. to Relocate Two Attack Boats to Scotland by 2020". USNI News. 1 December 2014. Retrieved 16 April 2022.

Sources edit

  • Conley, Dan (2014). Cold War Command: The Dramatic Story of a Nuclear Submariner. Seaforth Publishing. ISBN 9781848327696.
  • Chalmers, William (1954). Max Horton and the Western Approaches: A biography of Admiral Sir Max Kennedy Horton. Hodder & Stoughton.

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For other uses see Flag Officer Submarines India Commodore Submarine Service is a post in the Royal Navy which involves command of the Royal Navy Submarine Service It evolved from the post of Inspecting Captain of Submarines in 1901 and would later evolve to become the post of Flag Officer Submarines in 1944 Commodore Submarine ServiceEnsign of the Royal NavyIncumbentCommodore Paul Dunn OBEsince 26 July 2022Ministry of DefenceMember ofBoard of Admiralty Admiralty BoardReports toFleet CommanderNominatorSecretary of State for DefenceAppointerPrime MinisterSubject to formal approval by the Queen in CouncilTerm lengthNot fixed typically 2 3 years Inaugural holderRear Admiral Douglas DentFormation1901 Contents 1 History 2 Commanding 2 1 Inspecting Captain of Submarines 2 2 Commodore Submarine Service 2 3 Chief of the Submarine Service 2 4 Rear Admiral Submarines 2 5 Flag Officer Submarines 2 6 Rear Admiral Submarines 2 7 Commodore Submarine Service 3 References 4 SourcesHistory editIn 1904 the Admiralty created the post of Inspecting Captain of Submarines which lasted until August 1912 when Captain Roger J B Keyes was appointed Commodore Submarine Service He held that position until February 1919 1 when the post holder was renamed Chief of the Submarine Service It was for many years located at HMS Dolphin in Hampshire 2 On 30 August 1939 Rear Admiral Submarines Rear Admiral Bertram Watson moved his headquarters from Gosport to Aberdour Scotland though the administrative staff remained at Gosport The RN started the Second World War with 60 submarines 3 On 31 August 1939 the Second Submarine Flotilla at Dundee Forth and ten submarines and the Sixth Submarine Flotilla at Blyth Titania and six submarines were part of the Home Fleet The submarines Clyde and Severn part of the Seventh Submarine Flotilla were at Freetown under the orders of the Commander in Chief South Atlantic Ten submarines were in the Mediterranean along with the depot ship Maidstone First Submarine Flotilla and the submarine depot ship Medway and the Fourth Submarine Flotilla were under the Commander in Chief China split between Singapore and Hong Kong 4 Roskill writes that the effective naval strength of the British Empire on the outbreak of war included 38 submarines 4 During the war the major operating arenas were the Norwegian waters the Mediterranean where the Tenth Submarine Flotilla fought a successful battle against the Axis replenishment route to North Africa and the Far East where Royal Navy submarines disrupted Japanese shipping operating in the Malacca Straits 5 In January 1940 Vice Admiral Max Horton was made Rear Admiral Submarines Horton s biographer Rear Admiral William S Chalmers cites the opinion that a new regulation which required the post holder to be an officer who had served aboard submarines in the Great War was forced through for the sole purpose of ensuring that Horton was on a very short list of qualifiers for this post almost ensuring his rapid transfer to Aberdour so great was the desire of some within the Admiralty to have Horton revitalize the submarine arm 6 From 1953 the Flag Officer Submarines was dual hatted as NATO Commander Submarine Force Eastern Atlantic COMSUBEASTLANT under Commander Submarine Allied Command Atlantic COMSUBACLANT a major command of Supreme Allied Commander Atlantic Flag Officer Submarines moved from Dolphin to the Northwood Headquarters in 1978 7 From 1993 the post of Flag Officer Submarines was dual hatted with the post of Commander Operations 8 In 2015 Rear Admiral John Weale was appointed Rear Admiral Submarines Assistant Chief of Naval Staff Submarines while Rear Admiral Robert Tarrant is Commander Operations Royal Navy two distinct posts from 2015 9 8 In 2016 a new entity the Submarine Flotilla was technically established but its commander s post was to be held by Commander Faslane Flotilla 10 A single submarine base was to be achieved by 2020 when HMS Talent and HMS Triumph moved their homeports to the Clyde in 2019 and 2020 respectively 10 On 1 April 2020 the post of Commander Submarine Flotilla was announced at HMNB Clyde 11 seemingly a renaming of the post of Commander Faslane Flotilla 11 As of December 2020 official Royal Navy Freedom of Information responses said that the combined 2 Rear Admiral post of Assistant Chief of the Naval Staff ACNS Submarines SM Flag Officer Scotland and Northern Ireland FOSNI and Rear Admiral Submarines has been disestablished The ACNS SM role and Rear Admiral Submarines roles have been lowered to Commodore and retitled Deputy Director Submarines and Commodore Submarine Service The role of Flag Officer Scotland and Northern Ireland role has been retitled as Senior Naval Officer Scotland and Northern Ireland SNOSNI and is currently held by 1 Deputy Director Submarines 12 Commanding editPost holders have included 8 Inspecting Captain of Submarines edit Captain Reginald H S Bacon 20 August 1901 21 October 1904 1 Initial appointment title was Inspecting Captain of Submarine Boats Richard Compton Hall 115 Captain Edgar Lees 21 October 1904 later RAdm 1 Captain Sydney S Hall 12 November 1906 14 November 1910 later Adm 1 Captain Roger J B Keyes 14 November 1910 July 1912 1 Commodore Submarine Service edit Commodore Roger J B Keyes August 1912 February 1915 1 Chief of the Submarine Service edit Rear Admiral Douglas Dent 1919 1921 Rear Admiral Hugh Sinclair 1921 1923 Vice Admiral Wilmot Nicholson 1923 1925 Rear Admiral Vernon Haggard 1925 1927 Rear Admiral Henry Grace 1927 1929 Rear Admiral Submarines edit Rear Admiral Martin Dunbar Nasmith 1929 1931 Rear Admiral Charles Little 1931 1932 Rear Admiral Noel Laurence 1932 1934 Rear Admiral Cecil Talbot 1934 1936 Rear Admiral Robert Raikes 1936 1938 Rear Admiral Bertram Watson 1938 1940 Vice Admiral Sir Max Horton 1940 1942 Rear Admiral Claud Barry 1942 1944 Flag Officer Submarines edit Rear Admiral George Creasy 1944 1946 Vice Admiral Sir John Mansfield 1946 1948 Rear Admiral Guy Grantham 1948 1950 Rear Admiral Sydney Raw 1950 1952 Rear Admiral George Simpson 1952 1954 Rear Admiral George Fawkes 1954 1955 Rear Admiral Wilfrid Woods 1955 1957 Rear Admiral Bertram Taylor 1957 1959 Rear Admiral Arthur Hezlet 1959 1961 Rear Admiral Hugh Mackenzie 1961 1963 Rear Admiral Horace Law 1963 1965 Rear Admiral Ian McGeoch 1965 1967 Vice Admiral Sir Michael Pollock 1967 1969 Vice Admiral Sir John Roxburgh 1969 1972 Vice Admiral Anthony Troup 1972 1974 Vice Admiral Sir Iwan Raikes 1974 1976 Vice Admiral John Fieldhouse 1976 1978 Vice Admiral Robert Squires 1978 1981 Vice Admiral Sir Peter Herbert 1981 1983 Vice Admiral Sir John Woodward 1983 1984 Rear Admiral Richard Heaslip 1984 1987 Rear Admiral Frank Grenier 1987 1989 Vice Admiral Sir John Coward 1989 1991 Vice Admiral Toby Frere 1991 1994 Rear Admiral Roger Lane Nott 1994 1996 Admiral James Perowne 1996 1998 Rear Admiral Robert Stevens 1998 2001 Rear Admiral Niall Kilgour 2001 February 2002 13 Rear Admiral Submarines edit Rear Admiral Niall Kilgour February 2002 2004 13 post became the tribal chief of Royal Navy submarines Rear Admiral Ian Corder 2011 2013 Rear Admiral Matt Parr 2013 2015 Rear Admiral Robert Tarrant 2015 Rear Admiral John Weale 2015 2020 Commodore Submarine Service edit Commodore James Perks CBE 2020 2022 as of December 2020 Senior Naval Officer Scotland and Northern Ireland Deputy Director Submarines and Commodore Submarine Service 12 Commodore Paul Dunn OBE 2022 present 14 References edit a b c d e f Harley amp Lovell 2015 Submarine School Retrieved 6 September 2015 Royal Dominion amp Allied Navies in World War II Beginning and End 1939 and 1945 Naval history net 2010 a b Roskill Stephen W 1954 Chapter 4 Allied and Enemy War Plans and Dispositions History of the Second World War The War at Sea 1939 1945 The Defensive London HMSO pp 47 49 Submarine History Submarine Service Operations and Support Royal Navy 2008 Archived from the original on 13 September 2008 Chalmers 1954 Chapter X Conley p 136 a b c Senior Royal Navy Appointments PDF Retrieved 6 September 2015 Rear Admiral John Weale PDF Retrieved 21 January 2016 a b Submariners Association 2016 FORMATION OF THE SUBMARINE FLOTILLA SUBFLOT Serial Galaxy 30 2015 Dated 15th December 2015 PDF PERISCOPE VIEW The Newsletter of the Barrow in Furness Branch of the Submariners Association a b See it here a b Response to Freedom of Information Request Ministry of Defence 16 December 2020 Retrieved 15 April 2022 a b Rear Admiral Niall Kilgour Chairman of Trustees Royal Navy Club of 1765 and 1785 united 1889 Retrieved 2022 04 15 Celebrated head of the Royal Navy s Submarine Service retires Royal Navy 26 July 2022 Retrieved 26 July 2022 Harley Simon Lovell Tony 3 November 2015 Inspecting Captain of Submarines The Dreadnought Project www dreadnoughtproject org Harley and Lovell Retrieved 15 March 2018 U K to Relocate Two Attack Boats to Scotland by 2020 USNI News 1 December 2014 Retrieved 16 April 2022 Sources editConley Dan 2014 Cold War Command The Dramatic Story of a Nuclear Submariner Seaforth Publishing ISBN 9781848327696 Chalmers William 1954 Max Horton and the Western Approaches A biography of Admiral Sir Max Kennedy Horton Hodder amp Stoughton Retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title Commodore Submarine Service amp oldid 1178714306, wikipedia, wiki, book, books, library,

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