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Carmelo Garcia

January 01, 1970

Carmelo G. Garcia (born April 25, 1975) is an American politician, trainer, speaker and author from the state of New Jersey. He represented the 33rd Legislative District in the New Jersey General Assembly as part of the Democratic Party for one two-year term.[1][2][3]

Carmelo G. Garcia
Preceded byNew Jersey's 33rd legislative district
Personal details
Born (1975-04-25) April 25, 1975 (age 49)
Hoboken, New Jersey
Political partyDemocratic
OccupationPolitician, executive business coach, speaker, and author

Early life and education edit

Garcia grew up in Hoboken, New Jersey and graduated from Hoboken High School.[4][5][6] He graduated from Seton Hall University, where he received a BS in Criminal Justice and Sociology, and from Stevens Institute of Technology, where he earned a Master of Science in Information Systems.[2] Garcia was one of 50 people selected in 2012 to participate in NeighborWorks Achieving Excellence Program,[7] which focuses on affordable housing and includes a three-week session at Harvard University.[8]

Career edit

In 1998 he was named as an aide, with an annual salary of $6,000, to Hudson County Freeholder Maurice Fitzgibbons. Garcia was first elected to the Hoboken Board of Education in 2002 at age 26, won re-election three times and served as president and vice president of the board.[9][4] In 2006 he was reprimanded by the New Jersey School Ethics Commission for his August 2005 votes on the school board to award a $60,000 contract to Fitzgibbons' public relations firm and to hire Garcia's brother for a custodial position.[10] He resigned from the board in 2013 when he won election to the state assembly.

Starting in 2001, Garcia worked as the first minority Director of Human Services under Mayor Dave Roberts.[4][11] He left this position in 2007 when he accepted a job as Assistant Director for the federally funded Hoboken Housing Authority (HHA); he was also the first Latino to hold this role.[12][4][6] In 2011, the Puerto Rican Culture Committee honored him with an Outstanding Achievement Award for his advocacy work and for being a role model for Hoboken youth.[13] Garcia was terminated from the HHA in 2014 and subsequently sued the housing board, claiming Mayor Dawn Zimmer was engaging in "ethnic cleansing" by removing minorities from positions of power.[14][15] Garcia sued the HHA, first in 2013, then again in 2014 when the first suit was denied with prejudice.[16] The amended suit was dismissed in January 2016 and he filed again in May 2016; this time, the HHA counter-sued him.[14][17] In late 2017, the lawsuit was settled and Garcia was awarded $700,000.[18]

In 2013, prior to the termination of his HHA contract, Garcia ran for the General Assembly in the June Democratic primary election on a ticket with State Senator Brian P. Stack and Raj Mukherji.[19] In April, however, following a lawsuit filed by several local residents,[20] Judge Peter Bariso ruled that since the HHA received federal subsidies, Garcia was subject to the Hatch Act of 1939, which bans those whose salary is paid primarily through federal funds from running in partisan elections.[21] Shortly after, an appellate court overturned Judge Bariso's decision based on a change in Hatch Act regulations and Garcia was deemed eligible to run for office.[22][23] Stack, Mukherji, and Garcia swept the November general election and assumed office.[24] Garcia, along with other Democrats on his 2013 legislative ticket, endorsed Republican Chris Christie in his successful bid for re-election as Governor of New Jersey[25]

As part of the Assembly, he worked on the Financial Institutions and Insurance Committee, the Human Services Committee, and the Transportation and Independent Authorities Committee.[6][26] During this time, he sponsored or co-sponsored 300 bills and his office authored at least six pieces of legislature, one of which champions for better rights for people living with Alzheimer's disease.[27][28] After 14 months in office, Garcia lost the backing of the powerful Hudson County Democratic Organization, which chose a Zimmer-approved candidate to run for his seat in the November 2015 election.[29]

In August 2015, he began campaigning against another Zimmer-approved candidate, Jennifer Giattino, for a seat on the City Council.[27][30][4][31] In November, four of five Zimmer-allied candidates won seats, including Giattino, who beat Garcia by over 200 votes.[32]

In early 2015, Garcia began working for the nonprofit Newark Community Economic Development Corporation (NCEDC), now known as Invest Newark.[33] He was executive vice president and chief real estate officer until April 2018.[34]

From 2017 to 2018, he worked as the deputy mayor and acting director of Newark's Department of Economic and Housing Development (DEHD) before being replaced by John Palmieri. He was moved into the role of chief of development, which he held until April 2019.[35][3][34] Beginning about June 2017, he also began working as the executive director of the federally funded Irvington Housing Authority in Irvington, New Jersey.[1][2][36][34] As of 2021, he is no longer listed as executive director of the Irvington Housing Authority.[37]

After leaving his Newark government positions about April 2019, he became the manager of a consulting firm.[34]

Conspiracy charges edit

In November 2020, Garcia was identified as a co-conspirator in the federal indictment of Malik Frederick, who plead guilty to honest services wire fraud and falsifying his 2017 taxes.[18] Garcia was allegedly offered bribes in exchange for using his official positions within the city "as specific opportunities arose" for conspirators Frank Valvano Jr. and Irwin Sablosky to obtain real estate.[18][33] He was charged with conspiracy to commit bribery in connection with the business and transactions of a federally funded local government and organization, that being the NCEDC (Invest Newark) and the DEHD.[33][38] Garcia is alleged to have accepted expensive jewelry and more than $25,000 in cash from Valvano and Sablosky.[39] If convicted, he could face five years in prison and a $250,000 fine for the alleged scheme.[40]

Personal life edit

Garcia is married to Margarita and has four children.[27][6]

He has served as a board member for the Act Now Foundation for Alzheimer's Disease and educational group African Views and is the founder of the Save the Youth Academy, an after-school hip-hop dance program at Hoboken High School aimed at at-risk youth.[4][27][41]

References edit

  1. ^ a b Jackman, EmilyAnn (2020-07-31). "IHA puts in the effort to protect residents and improve township". Essex News Daily. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  2. ^ a b c "GARCIA, MUKHERJI TAKE OATH OF OFFICE IN GENERAL ASSEMBLY". New Jersey Assembly Democrats. n.d. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  3. ^ a b NJ.com, Rebecca Panico | NJ Advance Media for (2020-11-19). "Ex-Newark deputy mayor took $25K, fancy jewelry as bribes, feds allege". nj. Retrieved 2021-09-01.
  4. ^ a b c d e f Clark, Amy Sara (2019-04-02). "Hoboken School Board candidates make their cases, Contender I: Carmelo Garcia". NJ.com. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  5. ^ Alfaro, Alyana (2015-08-05). "Does Carmelo Garcia Transcend Hoboken's Divisions?". Observer. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  6. ^ a b c d . NJ Assembly Majority Office. Archived from the original on 2015-09-25. Retrieved 2015-09-23.
  7. ^ Deady, Christina (June 18, 2021). "NeighborWorks Achieving Excellence Program: Focus on Results". Neighborworks.org. Retrieved September 11, 2023.
  8. ^ Fedschun, Travis (2019-03-30). "Hoboken Housing Authority head Garcia to study at Harvard". NJ.com. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  9. ^ Brenzel, Kathryn (2019-03-29). "Hoboken school board seeks to replace trustee Carmelo Garcia". NJ.com. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  10. ^ "Reprimand for Board of Ed member Ethics commission cites Garcia for voting on brother's promotion, contract for FitzMedia". Hudson Reporter Archive. 2006-12-19. Retrieved 2021-09-01.
  11. ^ Skontra, Alan (2013-09-03). "(Garcia) Hoboken Stories: Remembering Storm Sandy. Oral History Interview: Carmelo Garcia, Sept. 3, 2013". Hoboken Historical Museum. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  12. ^ "Mayor selects new human services director One of top positions at City Hall will be run by former school board member". Hudson Reporter. 2007-10-02. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  13. ^ Hortillosa, Summer Dawn (2019-03-30). "Hoboken Housing Authority Executive Director recognized for impact on Latino community". NJ.com. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  14. ^ a b Heinis, John (2017-12-19). "Sources: Hoboken Housing Authority OK's $700k settlement with ex-director". Hudson County View. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  15. ^ Bonamo, Mark (2014-08-05). "Garcia's problems provide view into changing Hoboken". Observer. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  16. ^ Baer, Marilyn (2018-01-07). "Ex-housing chair: Public would be 'shocked'". Hudson Reporter. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  17. ^ Heinis, John (2016-05-13). "2 years after termination, Carmelo Garcia, HHA file dueling lawsuits". Hudson County View. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  18. ^ a b c Heinis, John (2020-10-24). "Ex-Hoboken Assemblyman Garcia identified as co-conspirator in Newark corruption case". Hudson County View. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  19. ^ Pizarro, Max (2013-03-26). "Sources: Garcia and Mukherji to run in LD33". Hudson County View. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  20. ^ "Five Hoboken Residents Challenge Housing Authority Exec's Assembly Run". Hoboken, NJ Patch. 2013-04-11. Retrieved 2023-09-11.
  21. ^ Pizarro, Max (2013-04-19). "BREAKING: Judge rules Garcia ineligible to run for LD33 seat". Observer. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  22. ^ Moses, Claire (2013-04-30). "Carmelo Garcia Back on the Ballot as Assembly Candidate". Patch. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  23. ^ Pizarro, Max (2013-04-30). "BREAKING: Garcia wins appeal in LD33". Observer. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  24. ^ Koeske, Zak (2013-11-05). "Hudson County Dems Sweep District 33 Races". Patch. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  25. ^ Pizarro, Max (2013-06-10). "Christie collects endorsements by Stack, his assembly ticket-mates and UC commissioner". Observer. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  26. ^ . New Jersey Assembly Democrats. n.d. Archived from the original on 2021-07-03. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  27. ^ a b c d Strunsky, Steve (2019-01-17). "Ousted from public office, Carmelo Garcia may be down, but he's not bowing out". NJ.com. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  28. ^ "In New Jersey, Undercounted Alzheimer's Cases Spur Legislative Action". Easy Reader. 2015-07-15. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  29. ^ Heinis, John (2015-03-07). "HCDO unites to announce county executive, Assembly picks for June primary". Hudson County View. Retrieved 2023-09-11.
  30. ^ Heinis, John (2015-03-31). "Assemblyman Carmelo Garcia won't seek re-election in LD-33". Hudson County View. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  31. ^ Torres, Agustin C. (2015-08-08). "Hoboken's outgoing assemblyman wants to be wanted -- in the 6th Ward - Political Insider". NJ.com. Retrieved 2015-09-23.
  32. ^ Zeitlinger, Ron (2015-11-03). "Zimmer-backed candidates win 4 seats in Hoboken City Council race". NJ.com. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  33. ^ a b c Kiefer, Eric (2020-11-19). "Ex-Assemblyman From Hoboken Accused Of Bribery Scheme In Newark". Patch. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  34. ^ a b c d https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/press-release/file/1338646/download [bare URL PDF]
  35. ^ Bonamo, Mark J. (2018-08-21). "Garcia Replaced as Head of Newark's Economic and Housing Development Department". Tap Into Newark. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  36. ^ Skyes, Chris (2017-04-27). "IHA commissioners appoint new executive director". Essex News Daily. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  37. ^ "Executive Director". ihanj. Retrieved 2021-09-01.
  38. ^ "Former City of Newark Official Charged with Scheming with Two Newark Businessmen to Obtain Bribes". Department of Justice. 2020-11-19. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  39. ^ Panico, Rebecca (2018-11-19). "Ex-Newark deputy mayor took $25K, fancy jewelry as bribes, feds allege". NJ.com. Retrieved 2021-07-02.
  40. ^ Katzban, Nicholas. "Ex-Newark official accused of taking bribes, using developers as 'money wells'". North Jersey Media Group. Retrieved 2023-09-11.
  41. ^ Baldwin, Carly (2019-04-02). "Save the Youth Academy at HHA". NJ.com. Retrieved 2021-07-02.

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    Preceded by Member of the New Jersey General Assembly for the 33rd District
    January 14, 2014 – January 12, 2016
    With: Raj Mukherji     		Succeeded by

    January 01, 1970
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Carmelo G Garcia born April 25 1975 is an American politician trainer speaker and author from the state of New Jersey He represented the 33rd Legislative District in the New Jersey General Assembly as part of the Democratic Party for one two year term 1 2 3 Carmelo G GarciaPreceded byNew Jersey s 33rd legislative districtPersonal detailsBorn 1975 04 25 April 25 1975 age 49 Hoboken New JerseyPolitical partyDemocraticOccupationPolitician executive business coach speaker and author Contents 1 Early life and education 2 Career 3 Conspiracy charges 4 Personal life 5 References 6 External linksEarly life and education editGarcia grew up in Hoboken New Jersey and graduated from Hoboken High School 4 5 6 He graduated from Seton Hall University where he received a BS in Criminal Justice and Sociology and from Stevens Institute of Technology where he earned a Master of Science in Information Systems 2 Garcia was one of 50 people selected in 2012 to participate in NeighborWorks Achieving Excellence Program 7 which focuses on affordable housing and includes a three week session at Harvard University 8 Career editIn 1998 he was named as an aide with an annual salary of 6 000 to Hudson County Freeholder Maurice Fitzgibbons Garcia was first elected to the Hoboken Board of Education in 2002 at age 26 won re election three times and served as president and vice president of the board 9 4 In 2006 he was reprimanded by the New Jersey School Ethics Commission for his August 2005 votes on the school board to award a 60 000 contract to Fitzgibbons public relations firm and to hire Garcia s brother for a custodial position 10 He resigned from the board in 2013 when he won election to the state assembly Starting in 2001 Garcia worked as the first minority Director of Human Services under Mayor Dave Roberts 4 11 He left this position in 2007 when he accepted a job as Assistant Director for the federally funded Hoboken Housing Authority HHA he was also the first Latino to hold this role 12 4 6 In 2011 the Puerto Rican Culture Committee honored him with an Outstanding Achievement Award for his advocacy work and for being a role model for Hoboken youth 13 Garcia was terminated from the HHA in 2014 and subsequently sued the housing board claiming Mayor Dawn Zimmer was engaging in ethnic cleansing by removing minorities from positions of power 14 15 Garcia sued the HHA first in 2013 then again in 2014 when the first suit was denied with prejudice 16 The amended suit was dismissed in January 2016 and he filed again in May 2016 this time the HHA counter sued him 14 17 In late 2017 the lawsuit was settled and Garcia was awarded 700 000 18 In 2013 prior to the termination of his HHA contract Garcia ran for the General Assembly in the June Democratic primary election on a ticket with State Senator Brian P Stack and Raj Mukherji 19 In April however following a lawsuit filed by several local residents 20 Judge Peter Bariso ruled that since the HHA received federal subsidies Garcia was subject to the Hatch Act of 1939 which bans those whose salary is paid primarily through federal funds from running in partisan elections 21 Shortly after an appellate court overturned Judge Bariso s decision based on a change in Hatch Act regulations and Garcia was deemed eligible to run for office 22 23 Stack Mukherji and Garcia swept the November general election and assumed office 24 Garcia along with other Democrats on his 2013 legislative ticket endorsed Republican Chris Christie in his successful bid for re election as Governor of New Jersey 25 As part of the Assembly he worked on the Financial Institutions and Insurance Committee the Human Services Committee and the Transportation and Independent Authorities Committee 6 26 During this time he sponsored or co sponsored 300 bills and his office authored at least six pieces of legislature one of which champions for better rights for people living with Alzheimer s disease 27 28 After 14 months in office Garcia lost the backing of the powerful Hudson County Democratic Organization which chose a Zimmer approved candidate to run for his seat in the November 2015 election 29 In August 2015 he began campaigning against another Zimmer approved candidate Jennifer Giattino for a seat on the City Council 27 30 4 31 In November four of five Zimmer allied candidates won seats including Giattino who beat Garcia by over 200 votes 32 In early 2015 Garcia began working for the nonprofit Newark Community Economic Development Corporation NCEDC now known as Invest Newark 33 He was executive vice president and chief real estate officer until April 2018 34 From 2017 to 2018 he worked as the deputy mayor and acting director of Newark s Department of Economic and Housing Development DEHD before being replaced by John Palmieri He was moved into the role of chief of development which he held until April 2019 35 3 34 Beginning about June 2017 he also began working as the executive director of the federally funded Irvington Housing Authority in Irvington New Jersey 1 2 36 34 As of 2021 he is no longer listed as executive director of the Irvington Housing Authority 37 After leaving his Newark government positions about April 2019 he became the manager of a consulting firm 34 Conspiracy charges editIn November 2020 Garcia was identified as a co conspirator in the federal indictment of Malik Frederick who plead guilty to honest services wire fraud and falsifying his 2017 taxes 18 Garcia was allegedly offered bribes in exchange for using his official positions within the city as specific opportunities arose for conspirators Frank Valvano Jr and Irwin Sablosky to obtain real estate 18 33 He was charged with conspiracy to commit bribery in connection with the business and transactions of a federally funded local government and organization that being the NCEDC Invest Newark and the DEHD 33 38 Garcia is alleged to have accepted expensive jewelry and more than 25 000 in cash from Valvano and Sablosky 39 If convicted he could face five years in prison and a 250 000 fine for the alleged scheme 40 Personal life editGarcia is married to Margarita and has four children 27 6 He has served as a board member for the Act Now Foundation for Alzheimer s Disease and educational group African Views and is the founder of the Save the Youth Academy an after school hip hop dance program at Hoboken High School aimed at at risk youth 4 27 41 References edit a b Jackman EmilyAnn 2020 07 31 IHA puts in the effort to protect residents and improve township Essex News Daily Retrieved 2021 07 02 a b c GARCIA MUKHERJI TAKE OATH OF OFFICE IN GENERAL ASSEMBLY New Jersey Assembly Democrats n d Retrieved 2021 07 02 a b NJ com Rebecca Panico NJ Advance Media for 2020 11 19 Ex Newark deputy mayor took 25K fancy jewelry as bribes feds allege nj Retrieved 2021 09 01 a b c d e f Clark Amy Sara 2019 04 02 Hoboken School Board candidates make their cases Contender I Carmelo Garcia NJ com Retrieved 2021 07 02 Alfaro Alyana 2015 08 05 Does Carmelo Garcia Transcend Hoboken s Divisions Observer Retrieved 2021 07 02 a b c d Assemblyman Carmelo G Garcia Bio Page NJ Assembly Majority Office Archived from the original on 2015 09 25 Retrieved 2015 09 23 Deady Christina June 18 2021 NeighborWorks Achieving Excellence Program Focus on Results Neighborworks org Retrieved September 11 2023 Fedschun Travis 2019 03 30 Hoboken Housing Authority head Garcia to study at Harvard NJ com Retrieved 2021 07 02 Brenzel Kathryn 2019 03 29 Hoboken school board seeks to replace trustee Carmelo Garcia NJ com Retrieved 2021 07 02 Reprimand for Board of Ed member Ethics commission cites Garcia for voting on brother s promotion contract for FitzMedia Hudson Reporter Archive 2006 12 19 Retrieved 2021 09 01 Skontra Alan 2013 09 03 Garcia Hoboken Stories Remembering Storm Sandy Oral History Interview Carmelo Garcia Sept 3 2013 Hoboken Historical Museum Retrieved 2021 07 02 Mayor selects new human services director One of top positions at City Hall will be run by former school board member Hudson Reporter 2007 10 02 Retrieved 2021 07 02 Hortillosa Summer Dawn 2019 03 30 Hoboken Housing Authority Executive Director recognized for impact on Latino community NJ com Retrieved 2021 07 02 a b Heinis John 2017 12 19 Sources Hoboken Housing Authority OK s 700k settlement with ex director Hudson County View Retrieved 2021 07 02 Bonamo Mark 2014 08 05 Garcia s problems provide view into changing Hoboken Observer Retrieved 2021 07 02 Baer Marilyn 2018 01 07 Ex housing chair Public would be shocked Hudson Reporter Retrieved 2021 07 02 Heinis John 2016 05 13 2 years after termination Carmelo Garcia HHA file dueling lawsuits Hudson County View Retrieved 2021 07 02 a b c Heinis John 2020 10 24 Ex Hoboken Assemblyman Garcia identified as co conspirator in Newark corruption case Hudson County View Retrieved 2021 07 02 Pizarro Max 2013 03 26 Sources Garcia and Mukherji to run in LD33 Hudson County View Retrieved 2021 07 02 Five Hoboken Residents Challenge Housing Authority Exec s Assembly Run Hoboken NJ Patch 2013 04 11 Retrieved 2023 09 11 Pizarro Max 2013 04 19 BREAKING Judge rules Garcia ineligible to run for LD33 seat Observer Retrieved 2021 07 02 Moses Claire 2013 04 30 Carmelo Garcia Back on the Ballot as Assembly Candidate Patch Retrieved 2021 07 02 Pizarro Max 2013 04 30 BREAKING Garcia wins appeal in LD33 Observer Retrieved 2021 07 02 Koeske Zak 2013 11 05 Hudson County Dems Sweep District 33 Races Patch Retrieved 2021 07 02 Pizarro Max 2013 06 10 Christie collects endorsements by Stack his assembly ticket mates and UC commissioner Observer Retrieved 2021 07 02 GARCIA TO TAKE A SEAT ON ASSEMBLY TRANSPORTATION FINANCE AND HUMAN RESOURCE PANELS New Jersey Assembly Democrats n d Archived from the original on 2021 07 03 Retrieved 2021 07 02 a b c d Strunsky Steve 2019 01 17 Ousted from public office Carmelo Garcia may be down but he s not bowing out NJ com Retrieved 2021 07 02 In New Jersey Undercounted Alzheimer s Cases Spur Legislative Action Easy Reader 2015 07 15 Retrieved 2021 07 02 Heinis John 2015 03 07 HCDO unites to announce county executive Assembly picks for June primary Hudson County View Retrieved 2023 09 11 Heinis John 2015 03 31 Assemblyman Carmelo Garcia won t seek re election in LD 33 Hudson County View Retrieved 2021 07 02 Torres Agustin C 2015 08 08 Hoboken s outgoing assemblyman wants to be wanted in the 6th Ward Political Insider NJ com Retrieved 2015 09 23 Zeitlinger Ron 2015 11 03 Zimmer backed candidates win 4 seats in Hoboken City Council race NJ com Retrieved 2021 07 02 a b c Kiefer Eric 2020 11 19 Ex Assemblyman From Hoboken Accused Of Bribery Scheme In Newark Patch Retrieved 2021 07 02 a b c d https www justice gov usao nj press release file 1338646 download bare URL PDF Bonamo Mark J 2018 08 21 Garcia Replaced as Head of Newark s Economic and Housing Development Department Tap Into Newark Retrieved 2021 07 02 Skyes Chris 2017 04 27 IHA commissioners appoint new executive director Essex News Daily Retrieved 2021 07 02 Executive Director ihanj Retrieved 2021 09 01 Former City of Newark Official Charged with Scheming with Two Newark Businessmen to Obtain Bribes Department of Justice 2020 11 19 Retrieved 2021 07 02 Panico Rebecca 2018 11 19 Ex Newark deputy mayor took 25K fancy jewelry as bribes feds allege NJ com Retrieved 2021 07 02 Katzban Nicholas Ex Newark official accused of taking bribes using developers as money wells North Jersey Media Group Retrieved 2023 09 11 Baldwin Carly 2019 04 02 Save the Youth Academy at HHA NJ com Retrieved 2021 07 02 External links editPersonal website archive New Jersey General Assembly Preceded bySean ConnorsRuben J Ramos Member of the New Jersey General Assembly for the 33rd DistrictJanuary 14 2014 January 12 2016 With Raj Mukherji Succeeded byAnnette Chaparro Retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title Carmelo Garcia amp oldid 1207213318, wikipedia, wiki, book, books, library,

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