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Statesman (dialogue)

The Statesman (Greek: Πολιτικός, Politikós; Latin: Politicus[1]), also known by its Latin title, Politicus, is a Socratic dialogue written by Plato. The text depicts a conversation among Socrates, the mathematician Theodorus, another person named Socrates (referred to as "Socrates the Younger"), and an unnamed philosopher from Elea referred to as "the Stranger" (ξένος, xénos). It is ostensibly an attempt to arrive at a definition of "statesman," as opposed to "sophist" or "philosopher" and is presented as following the action of the Sophist.

The Sophist had begun with the question of whether the sophist, statesman, and philosopher were one or three, leading the Eleatic Stranger to argue that they were three but that this could only be ascertained through full accounts of each (Sophist 217b). But though Plato has his characters give accounts of the sophist and statesman in their respective dialogues, it is most likely that he never wrote a dialogue about the philosopher.[2]

Contents edit

The dialogue begins immediately after the Sophist ends, with Socrates (the elder) and Theodorus briefly reflecting on the discussion before the Eleatic Stranger proposes to begin a dialectical investigation with Socrates the Younger into the nature of the statesman. The Eleatic Stranger and Socrates the Younger resume using the method of division employed in the Sophist, pausing to reflect on dialectical methods and a myth similar to the myth of ages.[3] The interlocutors ultimately offer a complicated account of the statesman through a version of division that entails accounting for the object of inquiry 'by carving at the joints' like a 'sacrificial animal' (Statesman 287b-c).[3]

Interpretations edit

According to John M. Cooper, the dialogue was intended to clarify that to rule or have political power called for a specialized knowledge.[4] The statesman was one who possesses this special knowledge of how to rule justly and well and to have the best interests of the citizens at heart. It is presented that politics should be run by this knowledge, or gnosis. This claim runs counter to those who, the Stranger points out, actually did rule. Those that rule merely give the appearance of such knowledge, but in the end are really sophists or imitators. For, as the Stranger maintains, a sophist is one who does not know the right thing to do, but only appears to others as someone who does. The Stranger's ideal of how one arrives at this knowledge of power is through social divisions. The Stranger takes great pains to be very specific about where and why the divisions are needed in order to rule the citizenry properly.

Texts and translations edit

  • Greek text at Perseus
  • Plato: Statesman, Philebus, Ion. Greek with translation by Harold N. Fowler and W. R. M. Lamb. Loeb Classical Library 164. Harvard Univ. Press (originally published 1925). ISBN 978-0674991828 HUP listing
  • Fowler translation at Perseus
  • Jowett translation with introduction at StandardEbooks
  • Plato. Opera, volume I. Oxford Classical Texts. ISBN 978-0198145691
  • Plato. Complete Works. Ed. J. M. Cooper and D. S. Hutchinson. Hackett, 1997. ISBN 978-0872203495

References edit

  1. ^ Henri Estienne (ed.), Platonis opera quae extant omnia, Vol. 2, 1578, p. 250.
  2. ^ Mary Louise Gill, Philosophos: Plato's Missing Dialogue, Oxford University Press, 2012.
  3. ^ a b Mitchell Miller, The Philosopher in Plato's Statesman, Parmenides Publishing, 2004.
  4. ^ Cooper and Hutchinson (1997). "Introduction to Politikos".

External links edit

  •   Works related to Statesman at Wikisource
  •   Quotations related to Statesman (dialogue) at Wikiquote
  • Statesman, in a collection of Plato's Dialogues at Standard Ebooks
  •   Statesman, english translation by Benjamin Jowett public domain audiobook at LibriVox

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translated from the existing German Wikipedia article at de Politikos see its history for attribution You should also add the template Translated de Politikos to the talk page For more guidance see Wikipedia Translation The Statesman Greek Politikos Politikos Latin Politicus 1 also known by its Latin title Politicus is a Socratic dialogue written by Plato The text depicts a conversation among Socrates the mathematician Theodorus another person named Socrates referred to as Socrates the Younger and an unnamed philosopher from Elea referred to as the Stranger 3enos xenos It is ostensibly an attempt to arrive at a definition of statesman as opposed to sophist or philosopher and is presented as following the action of the Sophist The Sophist had begun with the question of whether the sophist statesman and philosopher were one or three leading the Eleatic Stranger to argue that they were three but that this could only be ascertained through full accounts of each Sophist 217b But though Plato has his characters give accounts of the sophist and statesman in their respective dialogues it is most likely that he never wrote a dialogue about the philosopher 2 Contents 1 Contents 2 Interpretations 3 Texts and translations 4 References 5 External linksContents editThe dialogue begins immediately after the Sophist ends with Socrates the elder and Theodorus briefly reflecting on the discussion before the Eleatic Stranger proposes to begin a dialectical investigation with Socrates the Younger into the nature of the statesman The Eleatic Stranger and Socrates the Younger resume using the method of division employed in the Sophist pausing to reflect on dialectical methods and a myth similar to the myth of ages 3 The interlocutors ultimately offer a complicated account of the statesman through a version of division that entails accounting for the object of inquiry by carving at the joints like a sacrificial animal Statesman 287b c 3 Interpretations editAccording to John M Cooper the dialogue was intended to clarify that to rule or have political power called for a specialized knowledge 4 The statesman was one who possesses this special knowledge of how to rule justly and well and to have the best interests of the citizens at heart It is presented that politics should be run by this knowledge or gnosis This claim runs counter to those who the Stranger points out actually did rule Those that rule merely give the appearance of such knowledge but in the end are really sophists or imitators For as the Stranger maintains a sophist is one who does not know the right thing to do but only appears to others as someone who does The Stranger s ideal of how one arrives at this knowledge of power is through social divisions The Stranger takes great pains to be very specific about where and why the divisions are needed in order to rule the citizenry properly Texts and translations editGreek text at Perseus Plato Statesman Philebus Ion Greek with translation by Harold N Fowler and W R M Lamb Loeb Classical Library 164 Harvard Univ Press originally published 1925 ISBN 978 0674991828 HUP listing Fowler translation at Perseus Jowett translation with introduction at StandardEbooks Plato Opera volume I Oxford Classical Texts ISBN 978 0198145691 Plato Complete Works Ed J M Cooper and D S Hutchinson Hackett 1997 ISBN 978 0872203495References edit Henri Estienne ed Platonis opera quae extant omnia Vol 2 1578 p 250 Mary Louise Gill Philosophos Plato s Missing Dialogue Oxford University Press 2012 a b Mitchell Miller The Philosopher in Plato sStatesman Parmenides Publishing 2004 Cooper and Hutchinson 1997 Introduction to Politikos External links edit nbsp Works related to Statesman at Wikisource nbsp Quotations related to Statesman dialogue at Wikiquote Statesman in a collection of Plato s Dialogues at Standard Ebooks nbsp Statesman english translation by Benjamin Jowett public domain audiobook at LibriVox Retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title 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