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SEAT Marbella

The SEAT Marbella (codenamed 141A) was a badge-engineered Fiat Panda produced by SEAT from 1980 to 1986, in the company's Landaben plant in the Spanish city of Pamplona (from February 1980 until 29 April 1983, when its production ended in that plant) and also in the Zona Franca plant in Barcelona.[1] After the break in the partnership between SEAT and Fiat, the former's model was restyled and renamed SEAT Marbella. It received a slight restyling in 1983, with a new grille and other slight differences.

SEAT Panda
SEAT Marbella
SEAT Marbella
Overview
ManufacturerSEAT
Also calledFiat Panda Mk1
Production1980–1986 (Panda)
1986–1998 (Marbella)
Assembly
Body and chassis
ClassCity car (A)
Body style3-door hatchback
RelatedSEAT Ibiza Mk1
Dimensions
Wheelbase2,160 mm (85.0 in)
Length3,475 mm (136.8 in)
Width1,510 mm (59.4 in)
Height1,400 mm (55.1 in)
Chronology
SuccessorSEAT Arosa
SEAT Inca (For SEAT Terra)

History edit

The "Marbella" badge was first used for the 1983 model year, on a luxurious version of the SEAT Panda.[2]

 
Rear

After a second, more thorough restyling in December 1986,[3] it received the SEAT Marbella nameplate (codenamed 28 for SEAT Marbella and 028A for SEAT Marbella box) and was produced by SEAT until 1998 in the company's Zona Franca plant in Spain. The end of Marbella production in 1998 also meant the end of vehicle production in that factory.[4] The SEAT model did not receive the mechanical and cosmetic tweaks (such as the loss of front window quarter-lights) applied to Fiat Pandas "Mark II"s from 1986[5] but was instead subjected to those from SEAT.

Differences edit

 
Initially the car was badged as the SEAT Panda.

The obvious differences between a Panda and a Marbella are at the front and back of the car where head and tail lights and boot panels are different, the Marbella gaining a pronounced slope to the front panel.

The Marbella featured a boot with capacity of 272 litres, expandable to 1,088 litres when the rear seats are folded.[6]

Powertrain edit

Mechanically, the Panda borrowed heavily from the Fiat "parts bin", using engines and transmissions from the Fiat 127. The engine is an inline four-cylinder with 40 PS (29 kW) and 903 cc. This proved adequate for this light car which weighed in at about 680 kg. A 60 PS (44 kW) kit to make a more powerful SEAT Panda Abarth version was also on offer, sold in Spain by a company called Apicsa.[7] Shortly after introduction, a smaller-hearted version corresponding to the Italian two-cylinder model was added. Called the "Panda 35", it had a smaller 843 cc version of the engine, a development of the engine originally fitted to the SEAT 850 beginning in the mid-sixties. To set it further apart from the "45", a lower compression rate was chosen. Nonetheless, the smaller engine had to work that much harder to keep up, and in practice the fuel economy savings were negligible.[8]

When the Marbella was introduced in December 1986, the smaller 843 cc version continued to be available. This low-priced version produced only 34 PS (25 kW) at 5,600 rpm and was not available with the five-speed transmission.[9] Top speed for the bigger engine was 131 km/h (81 mph), while the 850 could only reach 125 km/h (78 mph).[3] 903 cc version of the engine later got electronic injection and reduced its size to 899 cc.[10]

Equipment levels edit

Several differently labeled models were produced during the lifetime of the car, with few corresponding significant changes in specifications. Common models include the L, Special, XL, GL, and GLX, but there were many "special editions", especially later in the life of the Marbella. In September 1989 the "Black", "Red", and "Yellow" specials were added, "Blue", "Green", "CLX", and "Jeans" joined in September 1990. Various export markets also received market specific editions, such as the "Le Jouet" series marketed in France in the early nineties.[3]

Derivatives edit

Commercial version edit

 
SEAT Terra, front view.
 
SEAT Terra, rear view.

SEAT Terra (24/024A, 1987–1996) edit

A van version of the Marbella, called the SEAT Terra (codenamed 24 for SEAT Terra and 024A for SEAT Terra box), was produced in Spain from 1987 to 1996 when this model was meant to be replaced from its successor, the SEAT Inca. The SEAT Terra shared the underpinnings and front of the Marbella, but the back was replaced by a large, high metal box; there was also a load rack above the cab roof. It was very popular in Spain, and was also available in export markets.

SEAT Trans edit

Before this, a van based on the Marbella's predecessor (the SEAT Panda) was also available until 1986. In much the same configuration as the Terra, it was called the SEAT Trans and was extremely similar to the Fiat Panda's commercial version[].

Popemobile edit

 
SEAT Panda Popemobile

In 1982 SEAT produced in its plant in Zona Franca a popemobile car, a modified version derived from the SEAT Panda, which was used during the Pope John Paul II's 1982 visit in Spain. That specific vehicle was an 'all-open-air' car with a grab handle in front so that the Pope could stand still to greet the crowds, while the vehicle was in motion.[11] In that car the Pope entered the FC Barcelona Camp Nou soccer stadium[12] driving through the assembled crowds celebrating mass for a congregation of over 121,000 on 17 November 1982.

Emelba derivatives edit

 
Emelba Elba 5-door
 
Emelba Pandita 4x4

The Spanish company Emelba produced several derivative models from the SEAT Panda among others:

  • Emelba Elba Cinco puertas (5-door), the sole 5-door version of the SEAT Panda
  • Emelba Pandita 4x4
  • Emelba Chato/903
  • a SEAT Panda equipped with a Daihatsu diesel engine

Concept cars edit

In the 1991 Frankfurt Motorshow, SEAT presented the SEAT Marbella Playa concept car.[13]

Motorsport edit

 
The SEAT Panda driven by Joaquim Doménech for the 'Black MotorSport' racing team.

The SEAT Panda/Marbella has not only taken part and won podium positions in various race events, but also has formed its own 'Copa Panda' one-make rally series, a rally trophy - created in 1980 by SEAT and its motorsport competition director at the time José Juan Pérez de Vargas, standing next to the brand's 'Copa Fura' circuit cup[14] - which was addressed to young drivers aiming to come close to the motorsport experience.

The most renowned rally driver who emerged from that competition series was the Spanish Carlos Sainz, the winner in the first edition of the 'Copa Panda' rally. Due to his win SEAT granted to him as an award a SEAT Panda 45 Grupo 2 rally car, under which he won his first title in the first already season of the 'Copa Panda' championship in 1982.

Together with the integration of the Spanish brand to the Volkswagen group, SEAT was able to strengthen even more its involvement in motorsport activities with the formation of the SEAT Sport department in 1985. Since the SEAT Panda model had been replaced in SEAT's range by the SEAT Marbella in 1986, it was the time that the 'Copa Panda' cup should be succeeded too by the 'Copa Marbella' one. The 'Copa Marbella' formed part of the Spanish Rally Championship gravel schedule during eight years, to be ultimately superseded by the 'Copa Ibiza' rally series.[15] In the 'Campeonato de España de Rallyes de Tierra' championship it was the SEAT Marbella Proto, a car powered by a supercharged 1.3 L 4-cylinder motor derived from the VW Polo G40[16][17] equipped with a compressor delivering a horsepower of 140 hp, under which SEAT won the 1988 championship title[18] while in the next season Antonio Rius on the wheel of the Marbella won the two-wheel drive class. In the following years the Marbella was also driven by many drivers among which Àlex Crivillé, Juan Garriga and Jordi Tarrés,[19] with the latter competing successfully against much more powerful cars - like the Lancia Delta - on the driver's seat of a 620 kg lightweight Marbella.[20]

Sales and production figures edit

The total production per year of SEAT Marbella/Panda and SEAT Terra/Trans cars is shown in the following table:

Model 1986[21] 1987[22] 1988[23] 1989[23] 1990[24] 1991[25] 1992[26] 1993[27] 1994[28] 1995[29] 1996[30] 1997[31] 1998[32]
SEAT Marbella/Panda 36,879 56,893 71,519 82,935 90,903 80,005 74,637 33,216 27,102 29,621 21,930 18,139 2,337
SEAT Terra/Trans 18,444 18,238 24,925 22,007 35,430 22,198 25,034 10,626 6,517

References edit

  1. ^ El 29 de abril de 1983 salió el último modelo SEAT Panda de las instalaciones de Landaben Archived 2012-06-29 at archive.today. VW Navarra.es.
  2. ^ Büschi, Hans-Ulrich, ed. (March 10, 1983). Automobil Revue '83 (in German and French). Vol. 78. Berne, Switzerland: Hallwag, AG. pp. 491–492. ISBN 3-444-06065-3.
  3. ^ a b c Quattroruote: Tutte le Auto del Mondo 1992 (in Italian). Milano: Editoriale Domus S.p.A. 1992. p. 923.
  4. ^ SEAT history 1999-1990 2010-03-10 at the Wayback Machine. SEAT.com.
  5. ^ . Panda-marbella.webs.com. Archived from the original on 2011-04-29. Retrieved 2011-07-16.
  6. ^ SEAT Marbella 903 cat Special http://car4you.quattroruote.it/AppPortal/Page/Public/VehicleTechnical.aspx?VehicleID=3469804
  7. ^ Silva, Jorge, , Velocidad (in Spanish), Piel de Toro, archived from the original on 2008-05-07
  8. ^ Mallo, Alberto (1981-01-17), "Prueba: Seat Panda 35", Velocidad (in Spanish), Piel de Toro (1001)
  9. ^ Büschi, Hans-Ulrich, ed. (5 March 1987). Automobil Revue 1987 (in German and French). Vol. 82. Berne, Switzerland: Hallwag AG. p. 508. ISBN 3-444-00458-3.
  10. ^ "Seat Marbella Special prijzen en specificaties".
  11. ^ The Evolution Of The Popemobile. Jalopnik.com.
  12. ^ Where JFK meets the Queen and Khrushchev. Audiusanews.com.
  13. ^ +Interesante. 60 años de Seat. Descubrimos los secretos de la Nave A122 2012-03-15 at the Wayback Machine. Motor16.com.
  14. ^ la firma continuó patrocinando competiciones de promoción, como la Copa Fura de circuitos y la Copa Panda de rallyes http://archivo.marca.com/automovilismo/rallyes/seat.html
  15. ^ Copa Seat Panda . Archived from the original on 2012-04-26. Retrieved 2012-01-01.
  16. ^ Dabei handelte es sich um einen Seat Marbella, dem ein überarbeiteter 140 PS starker Turbomotor eines VW Polo G40 implantiert wurde. http://www.marberra.de/HistorieMarbellaTerra/HistorieMarbella.html 2012-01-11 at the Wayback Machine
  17. ^ Crea un Seat Marbella equipado con un motor con compresor del Polo G40. . Archived from the original on 2011-09-12. Retrieved 2012-01-01.
  18. ^ The SEAT Marbella Proto is equipped with a compressor, allowing for 140 hp, and wins the championship. . Archived from the original on 2012-04-26. Retrieved 2012-01-01.
  19. ^ At some promotional events the Marbella Proto models were driven by international motorcycle champions such as Àlex Crivillé, Joan Garriga and Jordi Tarrés. . Archived from the original on 2012-03-13. Retrieved 2012-02-06.
  20. ^ El secreto de este modelo para batir a coches tan brutales como el Lancia Delta es que redujeron el peso al máximo (620 kg) http://www.autobild.es/reportajes/todos-los-modelos-campeones-de-seat-40-a%C3%B1os-dando-gas
  21. ^ "Volkswagen AG Annual Report 1986" (PDF). Retrieved 6 July 2019.
  22. ^ "Volkswagen AG Annual Report 1987" (PDF). Retrieved 6 July 2019.
  23. ^ a b "Volkswagen AG Annual Report 1989" (PDF). Retrieved 6 July 2019.
  24. ^ "Volkswagan AG Annual Report 1990" (PDF). Retrieved 6 July 2019.
  25. ^ "Volkswagan AG Annual Report 1991" (PDF). Retrieved 6 July 2019.
  26. ^ "Volkswagen AG Annual Report 1992" (PDF). Retrieved 6 July 2019.
  27. ^ "Volkswagen AG Annual Report 1993" (PDF). Retrieved 6 July 2019.
  28. ^ "Volkswahen AG Annual Report 1994" (PDF). Retrieved 6 July 2019.
  29. ^ "Volkswagen AG Annual Report 1995" (PDF). Retrieved 6 July 2019.
  30. ^ "Volkswagen AG Annual Report 1996" (PDF). Retrieved 6 July 2019.
  31. ^ "Volkswagen AG Annual Report 1997" (PDF). Retrieved 6 July 2019.
  32. ^ "Volkswagen AG Annual Report 1999" (PDF). Volkswagen AG. 2010-09-13. Retrieved 2010-09-13.

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The SEAT Marbella codenamed 141A was a badge engineered Fiat Panda produced by SEAT from 1980 to 1986 in the company s Landaben plant in the Spanish city of Pamplona from February 1980 until 29 April 1983 when its production ended in that plant and also in the Zona Franca plant in Barcelona 1 After the break in the partnership between SEAT and Fiat the former s model was restyled and renamed SEAT Marbella It received a slight restyling in 1983 with a new grille and other slight differences SEAT PandaSEAT MarbellaSEAT MarbellaOverviewManufacturerSEATAlso calledFiat Panda Mk1Production1980 1986 Panda 1986 1998 Marbella AssemblySpain PamplonaSpain BarcelonaBody and chassisClassCity car A Body style3 door hatchbackRelatedSEAT Ibiza Mk1DimensionsWheelbase2 160 mm 85 0 in Length3 475 mm 136 8 in Width1 510 mm 59 4 in Height1 400 mm 55 1 in ChronologySuccessorSEAT ArosaSEAT Inca For SEAT Terra Contents 1 History 1 1 Differences 2 Powertrain 2 1 Equipment levels 3 Derivatives 3 1 Commercial version 3 1 1 SEAT Terra 24 024A 1987 1996 3 1 2 SEAT Trans 3 2 Popemobile 3 3 Emelba derivatives 4 Concept cars 5 Motorsport 6 Sales and production figures 7 ReferencesHistory editThe Marbella badge was first used for the 1983 model year on a luxurious version of the SEAT Panda 2 nbsp RearAfter a second more thorough restyling in December 1986 3 it received the SEAT Marbella nameplate codenamed 28 for SEAT Marbella and 028A for SEAT Marbella box and was produced by SEAT until 1998 in the company s Zona Franca plant in Spain The end of Marbella production in 1998 also meant the end of vehicle production in that factory 4 The SEAT model did not receive the mechanical and cosmetic tweaks such as the loss of front window quarter lights applied to Fiat Pandas Mark II s from 1986 5 but was instead subjected to those from SEAT Differences edit nbsp Initially the car was badged as the SEAT Panda The obvious differences between a Panda and a Marbella are at the front and back of the car where head and tail lights and boot panels are different the Marbella gaining a pronounced slope to the front panel The Marbella featured a boot with capacity of 272 litres expandable to 1 088 litres when the rear seats are folded 6 Powertrain editMechanically the Panda borrowed heavily from the Fiat parts bin using engines and transmissions from the Fiat 127 The engine is an inline four cylinder with 40 PS 29 kW and 903 cc This proved adequate for this light car which weighed in at about 680 kg A 60 PS 44 kW kit to make a more powerful SEAT Panda Abarth version was also on offer sold in Spain by a company called Apicsa 7 Shortly after introduction a smaller hearted version corresponding to the Italian two cylinder model was added Called the Panda 35 it had a smaller 843 cc version of the engine a development of the engine originally fitted to the SEAT 850 beginning in the mid sixties To set it further apart from the 45 a lower compression rate was chosen Nonetheless the smaller engine had to work that much harder to keep up and in practice the fuel economy savings were negligible 8 When the Marbella was introduced in December 1986 the smaller 843 cc version continued to be available This low priced version produced only 34 PS 25 kW at 5 600 rpm and was not available with the five speed transmission 9 Top speed for the bigger engine was 131 km h 81 mph while the 850 could only reach 125 km h 78 mph 3 903 cc version of the engine later got electronic injection and reduced its size to 899 cc 10 Equipment levels edit Several differently labeled models were produced during the lifetime of the car with few corresponding significant changes in specifications Common models include the L Special XL GL and GLX but there were many special editions especially later in the life of the Marbella In September 1989 the Black Red and Yellow specials were added Blue Green CLX and Jeans joined in September 1990 Various export markets also received market specific editions such as the Le Jouet series marketed in France in the early nineties 3 Derivatives editCommercial version edit nbsp SEAT Terra front view nbsp SEAT Terra rear view SEAT Terra 24 024A 1987 1996 edit A van version of the Marbella called the SEAT Terra codenamed 24 for SEAT Terra and 024A for SEAT Terra box was produced in Spain from 1987 to 1996 when this model was meant to be replaced from its successor the SEAT Inca The SEAT Terra shared the underpinnings and front of the Marbella but the back was replaced by a large high metal box there was also a load rack above the cab roof It was very popular in Spain and was also available in export markets SEAT Trans edit Before this a van based on the Marbella s predecessor the SEAT Panda was also available until 1986 In much the same configuration as the Terra it was called the SEAT Trans and was extremely similar to the Fiat Panda s commercial version dead link Popemobile edit nbsp SEAT Panda PopemobileIn 1982 SEAT produced in its plant in Zona Franca a popemobile car a modified version derived from the SEAT Panda which was used during the Pope John Paul II s 1982 visit in Spain That specific vehicle was an all open air car with a grab handle in front so that the Pope could stand still to greet the crowds while the vehicle was in motion 11 In that car the Pope entered the FC Barcelona Camp Nou soccer stadium 12 driving through the assembled crowds celebrating mass for a congregation of over 121 000 on 17 November 1982 Emelba derivatives edit nbsp Emelba Elba 5 door nbsp Emelba Pandita 4x4The Spanish company Emelba produced several derivative models from the SEAT Panda among others Emelba Elba Cinco puertas 5 door the sole 5 door version of the SEAT Panda Emelba Pandita 4x4 Emelba Chato 903 a SEAT Panda equipped with a Daihatsu diesel engineConcept cars editIn the 1991 Frankfurt Motorshow SEAT presented the SEAT Marbella Playa concept car 13 Motorsport edit nbsp The SEAT Panda driven by Joaquim Domenech for the Black MotorSport racing team The SEAT Panda Marbella has not only taken part and won podium positions in various race events but also has formed its own Copa Panda one make rally series a rally trophy created in 1980 by SEAT and its motorsport competition director at the time Jose Juan Perez de Vargas standing next to the brand s Copa Fura circuit cup 14 which was addressed to young drivers aiming to come close to the motorsport experience The most renowned rally driver who emerged from that competition series was the Spanish Carlos Sainz the winner in the first edition of the Copa Panda rally Due to his win SEAT granted to him as an award a SEAT Panda 45 Grupo 2 rally car under which he won his first title in the first already season of the Copa Panda championship in 1982 Together with the integration of the Spanish brand to the Volkswagen group SEAT was able to strengthen even more its involvement in motorsport activities with the formation of the SEAT Sport department in 1985 Since the SEAT Panda model had been replaced in SEAT s range by the SEAT Marbella in 1986 it was the time that the Copa Panda cup should be succeeded too by the Copa Marbella one The Copa Marbella formed part of the Spanish Rally Championship gravel schedule during eight years to be ultimately superseded by the Copa Ibiza rally series 15 In the Campeonato de Espana de Rallyes de Tierra championship it was the SEAT Marbella Proto a car powered by a supercharged 1 3 L 4 cylinder motor derived from the VW Polo G40 16 17 equipped with a compressor delivering a horsepower of 140 hp under which SEAT won the 1988 championship title 18 while in the next season Antonio Rius on the wheel of the Marbella won the two wheel drive class In the following years the Marbella was also driven by many drivers among which Alex Criville Juan Garriga and Jordi Tarres 19 with the latter competing successfully against much more powerful cars like the Lancia Delta on the driver s seat of a 620 kg lightweight Marbella 20 Sales and production figures editThe total production per year of SEAT Marbella Panda and SEAT Terra Trans cars is shown in the following table Model 1986 21 1987 22 1988 23 1989 23 1990 24 1991 25 1992 26 1993 27 1994 28 1995 29 1996 30 1997 31 1998 32 SEAT Marbella Panda 36 879 56 893 71 519 82 935 90 903 80 005 74 637 33 216 27 102 29 621 21 930 18 139 2 337SEAT Terra Trans 18 444 18 238 24 925 22 007 35 430 22 198 25 034 10 626 6 517 References edit nbsp Wikimedia Commons has media related to SEAT Panda nbsp Wikimedia Commons has media related to SEAT Marbella nbsp Wikimedia Commons has media related to SEAT Trans nbsp Wikimedia Commons has media related to SEAT Terra El 29 de abril de 1983 salio el ultimo modelo SEAT Panda de las instalaciones de Landaben Archived 2012 06 29 at archive today VW Navarra es Buschi Hans Ulrich ed March 10 1983 Automobil Revue 83 in German and French Vol 78 Berne Switzerland Hallwag AG pp 491 492 ISBN 3 444 06065 3 a b c Quattroruote Tutte le Auto del Mondo 1992 in Italian Milano Editoriale Domus S p A 1992 p 923 SEAT history 1999 1990 Archived 2010 03 10 at the Wayback Machine SEAT com Fiat Panda and Seat Marbella Owners Club UK Home Panda marbella webs com Archived from the original on 2011 04 29 Retrieved 2011 07 16 SEAT Marbella 903 cat Special http car4you quattroruote it AppPortal Page Public VehicleTechnical aspx VehicleID 3469804 Silva Jorge Seat Panda Abarth Velocidad in Spanish Piel de Toro archived from the original on 2008 05 07 Mallo Alberto 1981 01 17 Prueba Seat Panda 35 Velocidad in Spanish Piel de Toro 1001 Buschi Hans Ulrich ed 5 March 1987 Automobil Revue 1987 in German and French Vol 82 Berne Switzerland Hallwag AG p 508 ISBN 3 444 00458 3 Seat Marbella Special prijzen en specificaties The Evolution Of The Popemobile Jalopnik com Where JFK meets the Queen and Khrushchev Audiusanews com Interesante 60 anos de Seat Descubrimos los secretos de la Nave A122 Archived 2012 03 15 at the Wayback Machine Motor16 com la firma continuo patrocinando competiciones de promocion como la Copa Fura de circuitos y la Copa Panda de rallyes http archivo marca com automovilismo rallyes seat html Copa Seat Panda AUTOhebdo SPORT Copa Seat Panda Archived from the original on 2012 04 26 Retrieved 2012 01 01 Dabei handelte es sich um einen Seat Marbella dem ein uberarbeiteter 140 PS starker Turbomotor eines VW Polo G40 implantiert wurde http www marberra de HistorieMarbellaTerra HistorieMarbella html Archived 2012 01 11 at the Wayback Machine Crea un Seat Marbella equipado con un motor con compresor del Polo G40 Pilotos Rius Archived from the original on 2011 09 12 Retrieved 2012 01 01 The SEAT Marbella Proto is equipped with a compressor allowing for 140 hp and wins the championship Seat Report Archived from the original on 2012 04 26 Retrieved 2012 01 01 At some promotional events the Marbella Proto models were driven by international motorcycle champions such as Alex Criville Joan Garriga and Jordi Tarres SEAT Sport Company SEAT 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