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San Juan Knights

The San Juan Knights, also known as the San Juan Knights – Go For Gold for sponsorship reasons, are a Filipino professional basketball team based in San Juan. The team competes in the Maharlika Pilipinas Basketball League (MPBL) as a member of the league's North Division. They are one of three teams based in Metro Manila's Eastern District and play their home games at Filoil EcoOil Centre.

San Juan Knights
2024 San Juan Knights season
LeaguesMBA (1999–2001)
MPBL (2018–present)
FilBasket (2021–2022)
PSL (2022–present)
Founded1999; 25 years ago (1999) (first incarnation)
2018; 6 years ago (2018) (second incarnation)
HistorySan Juan Knights
1999–2001 (MBA)
2018–present (MPBL)
San Juan Kings
2022–present (PSL)
ArenaFiloil EcoOil Centre
Capacity6,000
LocationSan Juan, Metro Manila
Team colors     
Main sponsorPowerball Marketing & Logistics Corporation
Almeria International Construction Corporation
Head coachSen. Jinggoy Estrada
ChampionshipsMBA: 2 (2000, 2001 First)
MPBL: 1 (2019)
Conference titlesMPBL: 2 (2019, 2020–21)

The team's first incarnation was established in 1999 as part of the Metropolitan Basketball Association (MBA) until 2001. The name Knights was chosen in reference to the concepts of gallantry and bravery. In 2018, the Knights were revived as they joined the MPBL for the 2018–19 season. The team's second incarnation has taken part in other leagues, including FilBasket, Chooks-to-Go Pilipinas 3x3, and the Pilipinas Super League, the latter of which they compete under the name San Juan Kings.

In 2023, their volleyball counterpart, the San Juan Lady Knights became one of the eight charter teams of the Maharlika Pilipinas Volleyball Association (MPVA).

The San Juan-based franchise is one of the most successful home-and-away basketball teams in the country. Across both incarnations, the Knights have clinched three championships: two in the MBA (2000 and 2001 – First Phase) and one in the MPBL (2019). The Knights also made the MPBL's Division Finals four times in a row from 2019 to 2023, and the MPBL Finals in back-to-back seasons (2019 and 2021).

History edit

First incarnation (1999–2001) edit

The San Juan Knights were founded in 1999 by then-mayor and current senator Jinggoy Estrada and businessman Sandy Javier. The team entered the Metropolitan Basketball Association as an expansion team for the league's 1999 season alongside the Surigao Miners and Nueva Ecija Patriots.

During the pre-season, the team acquired 6'9" Bonel Balingit from the Philippine Basketball Association to a three-year, P16 million contract. Joining Balangit are Gherome Ejercito from the Pampanga Dragons, a cousin of Estrada, 1998 NCAA Most Valuable Player Christian Calaguio, and Chito Victolero.

During the playoffs of the 2000 season, San Juan first swept the Laguna Lakers, 2–0, in the Northern Conference Semifinals and went past the Manila Metrostars, 3–1, in the Northern Conference Finals, bringing the Knights to the 2000 MBA National Championship. Game 5 of the championship series against the Negros Slashers had a debris-throwing incident at the La Salle Coliseum in Bacolod, Negros Occidental, as the Knights were way ahead, 87–65, with 11:38 left in the fourth quarter when play was stopped. The Negros Slashers conceded game 5, giving the San Juan Knights a 3–2 heading into game 6.[1] San Juan would go on to win their first of back-to-back MBA championships.[2]

Team Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5 Game 6 Wins
San Juan 76 88 84 85 W 104 4
Negros 75 77 90 89 L 91 2

Second incarnation (2018–present) edit

Maharlika Pilipinas Basketball League edit

In April 2018, San Juan Knights were revived as an expansion team in the Maharlika Pilipinas Basketball League.[3] The return of the Knights brought in names such as Mark Cardona and John Wilson. The team finished its inaugural season with a 20–5 record and clinched the third seed in the playoffs. In the playoffs, San Juan swept both Navotas and Quezon City, and won 2–1 against Manila to advance to the 2019 MPBL Finals against the Davao Occidental Tigers. The series went all the way to a game 5 as San Juan won its first MPBL championship and the third overall in franchise history. Their winning traditions continued into the 2019–20 season, after facing only four losses throughout the whole season, San Juan managed to finish the season as the North Division's first seed. With a 26–4 record and a .867 win percentage, they also tied for best record that season alongside the Davao Occidental Tigers. As the playoffs began, the team swept through Pasay and Pampanga before facing the Makati Super Crunch in the North Division Finals. The series was tied before the season's suspension but San Juan were able to win deciding game 3 against a depleted Super Crunch squad to make back-to-back National Finals appearances for a chance to repeat against the Davao Occicdental Tigers. This time around, San Juan failed to defend their title as Davao Occidental won 3–1.

Pilipinas Super League edit

After the conclusion of the 2022 MPBL season, San Juan made their debut in the Pilipinas Super League, under the name San Juan Kings. In the 2022–23 DUMPER Cup, the team went undefeated in the regular season, winning all 15 games. After beating Manila in the Quarterfinals, the Kings met the Baltazar-led Pampanga G Lanterns in the Semifinals. Unfortunately, San Juan would lose to the G Lanterns in two games.

Rivalries edit

Davao Occidental Tigers edit

The rivalry between San Juan and the Davao Occidental Tigers is most prominent in the MPBL when both teams played in the National Finals in back-to-back seasons (2019 and 2021). Even though Davao Occidental has since departed the MPBL, both teams would still clash with one another whenever they compete in the same league. As of February 2024, the San Juan franchise has met the Davao Occidental Tigers a total of fifteen times across all leagues.

Nueva Ecija Rice Vanguards edit

San Juan's rivalry against the Nueva Ecija Rice Vanguards began in FilBasket when both teams clashed in the finals of the 2022 Summer Championship. The rivalry grew more fierce in the MPBL as both teams fought for North Division contention, with both teams meeting in the playoffs in 2022 and 2023. As of March 2024, across all leagues, both teams have met each other thirteen times.

Home arenas edit

San Juan plays their home games at the Filoil EcoOil Centre in the MPBL and PSL. During their time in the MBA, they have played in the PhilSports Arena from 1999 to early 2000 and the San Juan Gym in 2000.

Current roster edit

Players Coaches
Pos. No. Name Height Weight DOB From
F/C 2 Calisaan, Michael 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) 1995–02–27 San Sebastian
G/F 4 Malonzo, Mike National-U
G 5 Wamar Jr., Orlan 5 ft 6 in (1.68 m) 1998–08–17 Centro Escolar
G 6 Soberano, AC 5 ft 11 in (1.80 m) 1994–03–28 San Beda
F/C 9 Maiquez, Dexter 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) 220 lb (100 kg) 1991–06–09 San Sebastian
F 10 Javillonar, Paolo (SGL) 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m) Letran
F/C 11 Galinato, John Martin
G 12 Taywan, Marwin 5 ft 9 in (1.75 m) Emilio Aguinaldo
G/F 13 Tajonera, Jeffrey 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) Adamson
F 14 Miranda, Agem
F/C 15 Gamboa, Arvin
F 16 Huang, Zach 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) UST
F 18 Mojica, Egie Boy 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Adamson
G/F 19 Hernandez, Paolo
G/F 24 Panganiban, Nikko 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m)
G/F 27 Ubalde, Joseph (HG) 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) 1984–12–21
F 46 Soriano, Jopet
F 55 Ando, Dave
F Garcia, Joaquin
Head coach
Assistant coach(es)
  • Nani Epondulan
  • Yong Garcia
Team manager
  • Jun Usman

Legend
  • (HG) Homegrown
  • (FF) Filipino-foreigner
  • (SGL) Special Guest Licensee
  •   Injured

  • Roster – via Genius Sports
Updated as of: March 20, 2024

Head coaches edit

Notable players edit

Metropolitan Basketball Association edit

Maharlika Pilipinas Basketball League edit

San Juan Knights notable players
Player Position Tenure Awards All-Star Remarks
Maharlika Pilipinas Basketball League
Mike Ayonayon 2018–2020 1x Finals MVP (2019)
1x All-MPBL First Team (2020)
1 (2019)
Larry Rodriguez 2018–2020 1 (2019)
John Wilson 2018–2020 1x Most Valuable Player (2020)
1x All-MPBL First Team (2020)
1x All-MPBL Second Team (2019)
1 (2020) First player to record 1,000 points in the MPBL
Orlan Wamar Jr. 2018–present 1x All-MPBL First Team (2023) 1 (2023)
Judel Fuentes 2022 1x All-MPBL First Team (2022) 1 (2022)
Adrian Nocum 2023 Rookie of the Year (2023) 1 (2023)

FilBasket edit

Season-by-season records edit

League champions
Division champions
Qualified for playoffs
Best regular season record

Maharlika Pilipinas Basketball League edit

Season Regular season Playoffs
Division Finish GP W L PCT GB Stage Results
San Juan Knights
2018–19
Datu Cup
North 3rd 25 20 5 .800 3 First Round
Division Semifinals
Division Finals
National Finals
won vs. Navotas, 2–0
won vs. Quezon City, 2–0
won vs. Manila, 2–1
won vs. Davao Occidental, 3–2
2019–20
Lakan Season
North 1st 30 26 4 .867 First Round
Division Semifinals
Division Finals
National Finals
won vs. Pasay, 2–0
won vs. Pampanga, 2–0
won vs. Makati, 2–1
lost vs Davao Occidental, 1–3
2022 North 3rd 21 14 7 .667 7 First Round
Division Semifinals
Division Finals
won vs. Valenzuela, 2–0
won vs. Pasig City, 2–0
lost vs. Nueva Ecija, 1–2
2023 North 6th 28 19 9 .679 7 First Round
Division Semifinals
Division Finals
won vs. Makati, 2–0
won vs. Nueva Ecija, 2–0
lost vs. Pampanga, 0–2
All-time regular season record 104 79 25 .760 4 playoff appearances
All-time playoff record 36 25 11 .694 2 Finals appearances
All-time overall record 140 104 36 .743 1 championship

FilBasket edit

Tournament Elimination round Playoffs
Finish GP W L PCT GB Stage Results
San Juan Knights
Subic 2021 3rd 10 7 3 .700 1 Quarterfinals
Semifinals
Finals
won vs. Medical Depot, 88–73
won vs. Davao Occidental, 85–84
lost vs. AICC Manila, 1–2 (series)
Summer 2022 5th 11 6 5 .545 5 Quarterfinals
Semifinals
Finals
won vs. Pasig, 93–91
won vs. Tanduay, 2–0 (series)
lost vs. Nueva Ecija, 1–2 (series)
All-time elimination round record 21 13 8 .619 2 playoff appearances
All-time playoff record 11 7 4 .636 2 Finals appearances
All-time overall record 32 20 12 .625 0 championships

Pilipinas Super League edit

Tournament Elimination round Playoffs
Finish GP W L PCT GB Stage Results
San Juan Kings
2022–23
DUMPER Cup
1st 15 15 0 1.000 Quarterfinals
Semifinals
won vs. Manila, 1–0
lost vs. Pampanga G Lanterns, 0–2
2023–24
President's Cup
2nd 18 16 2 .889 1 First Round
Quarterfinals
Semifinals
Battle for Third
won vs. Camarines Norte, 1–0
won vs. SGA–CSB, 1–0
lost vs. Nueva Ecija, 0–2
won vs. Biñan, 1–0
All-time elimination round record 33 31 2 .939 2 playoff appearance
All-time playoff record 8 4 4 .500 0 Finals appearances
All-time overall record 41 35 6 .854 0 championships

References edit

  1. ^ "Slashers conceded fifth game; Knights up, 3-2". Philippine Daily Inquirer.
  2. ^ "San Juan bags national title". Philippine Daily Inquirer.
  3. ^ "Pagbabalik ng Knights — San Juan, pasok bilang expansion team sa MPBL". ABS-CBN Sports. April 7, 2018. Retrieved April 29, 2018.

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This article needs additional citations for verification Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources Unsourced material may be challenged and removed Find sources San Juan Knights news newspapers books scholar JSTOR March 2024 Learn how and when to remove this template message The San Juan Knights also known as the San Juan Knights Go For Gold for sponsorship reasons are a Filipino professional basketball team based in San Juan The team competes in the Maharlika Pilipinas Basketball League MPBL as a member of the league s North Division They are one of three teams based in Metro Manila s Eastern District and play their home games at Filoil EcoOil Centre San Juan Knights2024 San Juan Knights seasonLeaguesMBA 1999 2001 MPBL 2018 present FilBasket 2021 2022 PSL 2022 present Founded1999 25 years ago 1999 first incarnation 2018 6 years ago 2018 second incarnation HistorySan Juan Knights 1999 2001 MBA 2018 present MPBL San Juan Kings 2022 present PSL ArenaFiloil EcoOil CentreCapacity6 000LocationSan Juan Metro ManilaTeam colors Main sponsorPowerball Marketing amp Logistics Corporation Almeria International Construction CorporationHead coachSen Jinggoy EstradaChampionshipsMBA 2 2000 2001 First MPBL 1 2019 Conference titlesMPBL 2 2019 2020 21 The team s first incarnation was established in 1999 as part of the Metropolitan Basketball Association MBA until 2001 The name Knights was chosen in reference to the concepts of gallantry and bravery In 2018 the Knights were revived as they joined the MPBL for the 2018 19 season The team s second incarnation has taken part in other leagues including FilBasket Chooks to Go Pilipinas 3x3 and the Pilipinas Super League the latter of which they compete under the name San Juan Kings In 2023 their volleyball counterpart the San Juan Lady Knights became one of the eight charter teams of the Maharlika Pilipinas Volleyball Association MPVA The San Juan based franchise is one of the most successful home and away basketball teams in the country Across both incarnations the Knights have clinched three championships two in the MBA 2000 and 2001 First Phase and one in the MPBL 2019 The Knights also made the MPBL s Division Finals four times in a row from 2019 to 2023 and the MPBL Finals in back to back seasons 2019 and 2021 Contents 1 History 1 1 First incarnation 1999 2001 1 2 Second incarnation 2018 present 1 2 1 Maharlika Pilipinas Basketball League 1 2 2 Pilipinas Super League 2 Rivalries 2 1 Davao Occidental Tigers 2 2 Nueva Ecija Rice Vanguards 3 Home arenas 4 Current roster 4 1 Head coaches 4 2 Notable players 4 2 1 Metropolitan Basketball Association 4 2 2 Maharlika Pilipinas Basketball League 4 2 3 FilBasket 5 Season by season records 5 1 Maharlika Pilipinas Basketball League 5 2 FilBasket 5 3 Pilipinas Super League 6 ReferencesHistory editFirst incarnation 1999 2001 edit The San Juan Knights were founded in 1999 by then mayor and current senator Jinggoy Estrada and businessman Sandy Javier The team entered the Metropolitan Basketball Association as an expansion team for the league s 1999 season alongside the Surigao Miners and Nueva Ecija Patriots During the pre season the team acquired 6 9 Bonel Balingit from the Philippine Basketball Association to a three year P16 million contract Joining Balangit are Gherome Ejercito from the Pampanga Dragons a cousin of Estrada 1998 NCAA Most Valuable Player Christian Calaguio and Chito Victolero During the playoffs of the 2000 season San Juan first swept the Laguna Lakers 2 0 in the Northern Conference Semifinals and went past the Manila Metrostars 3 1 in the Northern Conference Finals bringing the Knights to the 2000 MBA National Championship Game 5 of the championship series against the Negros Slashers had a debris throwing incident at the La Salle Coliseum in Bacolod Negros Occidental as the Knights were way ahead 87 65 with 11 38 left in the fourth quarter when play was stopped The Negros Slashers conceded game 5 giving the San Juan Knights a 3 2 heading into game 6 1 San Juan would go on to win their first of back to back MBA championships 2 Team Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Game 5 Game 6 WinsSan Juan 76 88 84 85 W 104 4Negros 75 77 90 89 L 91 2Second incarnation 2018 present edit Maharlika Pilipinas Basketball League edit In April 2018 San Juan Knights were revived as an expansion team in the Maharlika Pilipinas Basketball League 3 The return of the Knights brought in names such as Mark Cardona and John Wilson The team finished its inaugural season with a 20 5 record and clinched the third seed in the playoffs In the playoffs San Juan swept both Navotas and Quezon City and won 2 1 against Manila to advance to the 2019 MPBL Finals against the Davao Occidental Tigers The series went all the way to a game 5 as San Juan won its first MPBL championship and the third overall in franchise history Their winning traditions continued into the 2019 20 season after facing only four losses throughout the whole season San Juan managed to finish the season as the North Division s first seed With a 26 4 record and a 867 win percentage they also tied for best record that season alongside the Davao Occidental Tigers As the playoffs began the team swept through Pasay and Pampanga before facing the Makati Super Crunch in the North Division Finals The series was tied before the season s suspension but San Juan were able to win deciding game 3 against a depleted Super Crunch squad to make back to back National Finals appearances for a chance to repeat against the Davao Occicdental Tigers This time around San Juan failed to defend their title as Davao Occidental won 3 1 Pilipinas Super League edit After the conclusion of the 2022 MPBL season San Juan made their debut in the Pilipinas Super League under the name San Juan Kings In the 2022 23 DUMPER Cup the team went undefeated in the regular season winning all 15 games After beating Manila in the Quarterfinals the Kings met the Baltazar led Pampanga G Lanterns in the Semifinals Unfortunately San Juan would lose to the G Lanterns in two games Rivalries editDavao Occidental Tigers edit Main article Davao Occidental Tigers San Juan Knights rivalry The rivalry between San Juan and the Davao Occidental Tigers is most prominent in the MPBL when both teams played in the National Finals in back to back seasons 2019 and 2021 Even though Davao Occidental has since departed the MPBL both teams would still clash with one another whenever they compete in the same league As of February 2024 the San Juan franchise has met the Davao Occidental Tigers a total of fifteen times across all leagues Nueva Ecija Rice Vanguards edit Main article Nueva Ecija Rice Vanguards San Juan Knights rivalry San Juan s rivalry against the Nueva Ecija Rice Vanguards began in FilBasket when both teams clashed in the finals of the 2022 Summer Championship The rivalry grew more fierce in the MPBL as both teams fought for North Division contention with both teams meeting in the playoffs in 2022 and 2023 As of March 2024 across all leagues both teams have met each other thirteen times Home arenas editSan Juan plays their home games at the Filoil EcoOil Centre in the MPBL and PSL During their time in the MBA they have played in the PhilSports Arena from 1999 to early 2000 and the San Juan Gym in 2000 Current roster editSan Juan Knights rostervtePlayers CoachesPos No Name Height Weight DOB FromF C 2 Calisaan Michael 6 ft 4 in 1 93 m 1995 02 27 San SebastianG F 4 Malonzo Mike National UG 5 Wamar Jr Orlan 5 ft 6 in 1 68 m 1998 08 17 Centro EscolarG 6 Soberano AC 5 ft 11 in 1 80 m 1994 03 28 San BedaF C 9 Maiquez Dexter 6 ft 3 in 1 91 m 220 lb 100 kg 1991 06 09 San SebastianF 10 Javillonar Paolo SGL 6 ft 5 in 1 96 m LetranF C 11 Galinato John MartinG 12 Taywan Marwin 5 ft 9 in 1 75 m Emilio AguinaldoG F 13 Tajonera Jeffrey 6 ft 4 in 1 93 m AdamsonF 14 Miranda AgemF C 15 Gamboa ArvinF 16 Huang Zach 6 ft 4 in 1 93 m USTF 18 Mojica Egie Boy 6 ft 3 in 1 91 m AdamsonG F 19 Hernandez PaoloG F 24 Panganiban Nikko 6 ft 0 in 1 83 m G F 27 Ubalde Joseph HG 6 ft 4 in 1 93 m 1984 12 21F 46 Soriano JopetF 55 Ando DaveF Garcia Joaquin Head coachRandy AlcantaraAssistant coach es Nani Epondulan Yong GarciaTeam managerJun UsmanLegend HG Homegrown FF Filipino foreigner SGL Special Guest Licensee nbsp InjuredRoster via Genius Sports Updated as of March 20 2024Head coaches edit Philip Cezar 1999 2001 Allan PangarunganRandy Alcantara 2018 present Notable players edit Metropolitan Basketball Association edit Randy Alcantara Alinader Daksla Bonel Balingit Vilmer Banares Chris Calaguio Danny Capobres Gilbert Castillo Bruce Dacia Rudy Distrito Gherome Ejercito Kalani Ferreria Philip Newton Michael Otto Rafi Reavis Omanzie Rodriguez Chito Victolero Maharlika Pilipinas Basketball League edit San Juan Knights notable playersPlayer Position Tenure Awards All Star RemarksMaharlika Pilipinas Basketball LeagueMike Ayonayon 2018 2020 1x Finals MVP 2019 1x All MPBL First Team 2020 1 2019 Larry Rodriguez 2018 2020 1 2019 John Wilson 2018 2020 1x Most Valuable Player 2020 1x All MPBL First Team 2020 1x All MPBL Second Team 2019 1 2020 First player to record 1 000 points in the MPBLOrlan Wamar Jr 2018 present 1x All MPBL First Team 2023 1 2023 Judel Fuentes 2022 1x All MPBL First Team 2022 1 2022 Adrian Nocum 2023 Rookie of the Year 2023 1 2023 FilBasket edit Rhenz Abando 2021 Justin Gutang 2021 2022 Season by season records editLeague championsDivision championsQualified for playoffsBest regular season recordMaharlika Pilipinas Basketball League edit Season Regular season PlayoffsDivision Finish GP W L PCT GB Stage ResultsSan Juan Knights2018 19 Datu Cup North 3rd 25 20 5 800 3 First Round Division Semifinals Division Finals National Finals won vs Navotas 2 0 won vs Quezon City 2 0 won vs Manila 2 1 won vs Davao Occidental 3 22019 20 Lakan Season North 1st 30 26 4 867 First Round Division Semifinals Division Finals National Finals won vs Pasay 2 0 won vs Pampanga 2 0 won vs Makati 2 1 lost vs Davao Occidental 1 32022 North 3rd 21 14 7 667 7 First Round Division Semifinals Division Finals won vs Valenzuela 2 0 won vs Pasig City 2 0 lost vs Nueva Ecija 1 22023 North 6th 28 19 9 679 7 First RoundDivision SemifinalsDivision Finals won vs Makati 2 0won vs Nueva Ecija 2 0lost vs Pampanga 0 2All time regular season record 104 79 25 760 4 playoff appearancesAll time playoff record 36 25 11 694 2 Finals appearancesAll time overall record 140 104 36 743 1 championshipFilBasket edit Tournament Elimination round PlayoffsFinish GP W L PCT GB Stage ResultsSan Juan KnightsSubic 2021 3rd 10 7 3 700 1 Quarterfinals Semifinals Finals won vs Medical Depot 88 73 won vs Davao Occidental 85 84 lost vs AICC Manila 1 2 series Summer 2022 5th 11 6 5 545 5 Quarterfinals Semifinals Finals won vs Pasig 93 91 won vs Tanduay 2 0 series lost vs Nueva Ecija 1 2 series All time elimination round record 21 13 8 619 2 playoff appearancesAll time playoff record 11 7 4 636 2 Finals appearancesAll time overall record 32 20 12 625 0 championshipsPilipinas Super League edit Tournament Elimination round PlayoffsFinish GP W L PCT GB Stage ResultsSan Juan Kings2022 23 DUMPER Cup 1st 15 15 0 1 000 Quarterfinals Semifinals won vs Manila 1 0 lost vs Pampanga G Lanterns 0 22023 24 President s Cup 2nd 18 16 2 889 1 First Round Quarterfinals Semifinals Battle for Third won vs Camarines Norte 1 0 won vs SGA CSB 1 0 lost vs Nueva Ecija 0 2 won vs Binan 1 0All time elimination round record 33 31 2 939 2 playoff appearanceAll time playoff record 8 4 4 500 0 Finals appearancesAll time overall record 41 35 6 854 0 championshipsReferences edit Slashers conceded fifth game Knights up 3 2 Philippine Daily Inquirer San Juan bags national title Philippine Daily Inquirer Pagbabalik ng Knights San Juan pasok bilang expansion team sa MPBL ABS CBN Sports April 7 2018 Retrieved April 29 2018 Retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title San Juan Knights amp oldid 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