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Rudolf, son of Nevelong

Rudolf or Rodolphe (young in 943), was a Lower Lotharingian noble born into a family with connections to Utrecht. He is thought by some modern interpreters to have later had lordships in the Hesbaye (Dutch: Haspengouw) region which is now in Belgium, in a part which mostly came to be incorporated into the later County of Loon (French: Looz). He was a son of Nevelung, Count of Betuwe, and a daughter of Reginar II, Count of Hainaut, whose name is not known. He had two uncles, one paternal and one maternal, who were both named Rudolf, and various proposal have been made about how the three Rudolfs correspond to various references to "Count Rudolf" in the 10th century "low countries". Although his paternal uncle Rudolf is sometimes considered to have become a cleric, Jongbloed (2006) argued that he must have been a count, and that he certainly had a wife and offspring.[1] There is no contemporary record of young Rudolf, the nephew, as a count, nor indeed as an adult.

There is one clear record of Rudolf, a 943 grant by his uncle Bishop Balderic of Utrecht, which was analysed by Léon Vanderkindere in his 1900 article. At this time, Rudolf and his brother Balderic were probably young, because Balderic was described as a boy (Latin puer) in 956 when he became Bishop of Liège.[2] The places Rudolf stood to inherit an income from after his older brother were goods of the Abbey of "Hereberc" (Sint Odiliënberg): "Rura, Lithorp, Linne, Sulethum, Flothorp, Ascalon, Malicalieol en Curnelo", which are Roer, Lerop, Linne, Swalmen, Vlodrop, Asselt, Melick en Maasniel all near Roermond.

Joseph Daris, Léon Vanderkindere, and other historians since them, speculate that Rudolf held a County in the Hesbaye. Jean Baerten, writing in the 1960s was also a proponent of this position. Baerten added an argument that young Rudolf might be the Count Rodulfus who appears as 4th witness in a grant made in 967 by Countess Bertha, the mother of a Count Arnulf, presumed to be Arnulf of Valenciennes.[3] This Bertha was proposed by Vanderkindere to be another child of Nevelung. In contrast, earlier mentions of a Count Rudolf in the same area were thought by Vanderkindere and Baerten to be Rudolf's maternal uncle, Count Rudolf of the Regnarid family.

However, Baerten agreed that Rodulf in Bertha's witness list showed no clear sign of being a count in the area.[4] Instead the evidence points to men named Werner and Emmon and Eremfried being counts in Haspengouw in this period.[5] Vanderkindere and Baerten proposed that Rodulf inherited Emmon's possessions by marrying his daughter, a proposal based only on the fact that in the next century one of the first known counts of Loon was named Emmo.[6]

More recently Jongbloed (2008) has stated that Rodulf being Bertha's brother in this document is unlikely, because he is only placed in the 4th position.[7] Furthermore, both he and other writers such as van Winter, have pointed out that the distinction made by Vanderkindere and Baerten between the names Emmo and Ehrenfried is not necessary, as one is known to be a short form of the other.

Nevertheless, Baerten's refinement of Vanderkindere is still the standard source, and Rudolf is still routinely proposed to be the father or grandfather of the three brothers found in this area in the next century: Bishop Balderic II of Liège, Count Arnuldus of Haspinga, and Count Gilbert of Loon.[8]

Because of the incomplete records available, there is considerable uncertainty as to whether Giselbert, Count of Looz, was the son of Rudolf, which no old record suggests, or the son of an otherwise unknown person named in one much later record as Otto, Count of Looz.

References edit

  1. ^ Vanderkindere (1902) p.294 questioned his own proposal that he must be a cleric, made in his 1900 article.
  2. ^ The charter is reproduced for example in Oorkondenboek der Graafschappen Gelre en Zutfen, p.79
  3. ^ The charter is known from a later confirmation in the Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Trond Piot edition, Volume 1, p.72.
  4. ^ Baerten (1965, pp.1236-7): "A vrai dire, s'il en était ainsi, cela ne prouverait pas nécessairement que Rodolphe était comte et, d'autre part, la présence de Rodolphe pourrait s'expliquer par des raisons d'ordre purement familiales."
  5. ^ Baerten (1965, p.1236): "Afin de concilier ces indications divergentes on pourrait songer à faire d' Emmon le titulaire soit du comté de Haspinga qui s'étendait entre le Geer et la Meuse soit du comté de Hocht dont la configuration mi-mosane mi-hesbayenne est prouvée et dont le siège se trouvait à proximité de Maastricht."
  6. ^ Baerten (1965, p.1237): "Le savant professeur bruxellois [Vanderkindere] avait sans doute raison d'expliquer le prénom du comte de Looz Emmon, le petit-fils de Rodolphe, par la parenté de celui-ci avec le célèbre comte du xe siècle. Nul ne contestera sans doute la thèse selon laquelle Rodolphe aurait été, à l'origine, comte de Hocht."
  7. ^ Jongbloed (2008, p.84 fn.118): "Baerten Loon 12 hield de getuige Rudolf in het stuk van 967 voor Berta's dusgenaamde broer. Dat is niet erg waarschijnlijk: als broer van de opdrachtgever zou hij stellig hoger in de getuigenrij hebben gestaan zo niet de opdrachtnemer zijn geweest".
  8. ^ For example Souvereyns & Bijsterveld, and also Vaes, have quite recently described Baerten as still being the standard work.

Sources edit

  • Baerten (1965), "Les origines des comtes de Looz et la formation territoriale du comté (suite et fin)", Revue belge de philologie et d'histoire, 43 (4)
  • Jongbloed, Hein H. (2006), "Immed "von Kleve" (um 950) : Das erste Klevische Grafenhaus (ca, 885 - ca. 1015) als Vorstufe des geldrischen Fürstentums" (PDF), Annalen des historischen Vereins für den Niederrhein, doi:10.7788/annalen.2006.209.1.13, S2CID 180819126
  • Jongbloed (2008), "Flamenses in de elfde eeuw", Bijdragen en Mededelingen Gelre
  • Jongbloed, Hein H., (2009) "Listige Immo en Herswind. Een politieke wildebras in het Maasdal (938-960) en zijn in Thorn rustende dochter", Jaarboek. Limburgs Geschied- en Oudheidkundig Genootschap vol. 145 (2009) p. 9-67
  • Souvereyns; Bijsterveld (2008), "Deel 1: De graven van Loon", Limburg - Het Oude Land van Loon
  • Vaes, Jan (2016), De Graven van Loon. Loons, Luiks, Limburgs, ISBN 9789059087651
  • Vanderkindere, L. (1900) ‘A propos d´une charte de Baldéric d’Utrecht’, Académie royale de Belgique Bulletin de la Classe des Lettres et des Sciences Morales et Politiques (Bruxelles), [1]
  • Vanderkindere, Léon (1902) La Formation territoriale des principautés belges au Moyen Âge, Bruxelles, H. Lamertin,[2]
  • van Winter, (1981) Ansfried en Dirk, twee namen uit de Nederlandse geschiedenis van de 10e en 11e eeuw link

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Rudolf or Rodolphe young in 943 was a Lower Lotharingian noble born into a family with connections to Utrecht He is thought by some modern interpreters to have later had lordships in the Hesbaye Dutch Haspengouw region which is now in Belgium in a part which mostly came to be incorporated into the later County of Loon French Looz He was a son of Nevelung Count of Betuwe and a daughter of Reginar II Count of Hainaut whose name is not known He had two uncles one paternal and one maternal who were both named Rudolf and various proposal have been made about how the three Rudolfs correspond to various references to Count Rudolf in the 10th century low countries Although his paternal uncle Rudolf is sometimes considered to have become a cleric Jongbloed 2006 argued that he must have been a count and that he certainly had a wife and offspring 1 There is no contemporary record of young Rudolf the nephew as a count nor indeed as an adult There is one clear record of Rudolf a 943 grant by his uncle Bishop Balderic of Utrecht which was analysed by Leon Vanderkindere in his 1900 article At this time Rudolf and his brother Balderic were probably young because Balderic was described as a boy Latin puer in 956 when he became Bishop of Liege 2 The places Rudolf stood to inherit an income from after his older brother were goods of the Abbey of Hereberc Sint Odilienberg Rura Lithorp Linne Sulethum Flothorp Ascalon Malicalieol en Curnelo which are Roer Lerop Linne Swalmen Vlodrop Asselt Melick en Maasniel all near Roermond Joseph Daris Leon Vanderkindere and other historians since them speculate that Rudolf held a County in the Hesbaye Jean Baerten writing in the 1960s was also a proponent of this position Baerten added an argument that young Rudolf might be the Count Rodulfus who appears as 4th witness in a grant made in 967 by Countess Bertha the mother of a Count Arnulf presumed to be Arnulf of Valenciennes 3 This Bertha was proposed by Vanderkindere to be another child of Nevelung In contrast earlier mentions of a Count Rudolf in the same area were thought by Vanderkindere and Baerten to be Rudolf s maternal uncle Count Rudolf of the Regnarid family However Baerten agreed that Rodulf in Bertha s witness list showed no clear sign of being a count in the area 4 Instead the evidence points to men named Werner and Emmon and Eremfried being counts in Haspengouw in this period 5 Vanderkindere and Baerten proposed that Rodulf inherited Emmon s possessions by marrying his daughter a proposal based only on the fact that in the next century one of the first known counts of Loon was named Emmo 6 More recently Jongbloed 2008 has stated that Rodulf being Bertha s brother in this document is unlikely because he is only placed in the 4th position 7 Furthermore both he and other writers such as van Winter have pointed out that the distinction made by Vanderkindere and Baerten between the names Emmo and Ehrenfried is not necessary as one is known to be a short form of the other Nevertheless Baerten s refinement of Vanderkindere is still the standard source and Rudolf is still routinely proposed to be the father or grandfather of the three brothers found in this area in the next century Bishop Balderic II of Liege Count Arnuldus of Haspinga and Count Gilbert of Loon 8 Because of the incomplete records available there is considerable uncertainty as to whether Giselbert Count of Looz was the son of Rudolf which no old record suggests or the son of an otherwise unknown person named in one much later record as Otto Count of Looz References edit Vanderkindere 1902 p 294 questioned his own proposal that he must be a cleric made in his 1900 article The charter is reproduced for example in Oorkondenboek der Graafschappen Gelre en Zutfen p 79 The charter is known from a later confirmation in the Cartulaire de l abbaye de Saint Trond Piot edition Volume 1 p 72 Baerten 1965 pp 1236 7 A vrai dire s il en etait ainsi cela ne prouverait pas necessairement que Rodolphe etait comte et d autre part la presence de Rodolphe pourrait s expliquer par des raisons d ordre purement familiales Baerten 1965 p 1236 Afin de concilier ces indications divergentes on pourrait songer a faire d Emmon le titulaire soit du comte de Haspinga qui s etendait entre le Geer et la Meuse soit du comte de Hocht dont la configuration mi mosane mi hesbayenne est prouvee et dont le siege se trouvait a proximite de Maastricht Baerten 1965 p 1237 Le savant professeur bruxellois Vanderkindere avait sans doute raison d expliquer le prenom du comte de Looz Emmon le petit fils de Rodolphe par la parente de celui ci avec le celebre comte du xe siecle Nul ne contestera sans doute la these selon laquelle Rodolphe aurait ete a l origine comte de Hocht Jongbloed 2008 p 84 fn 118 Baerten Loon 12 hield de getuige Rudolf in het stuk van 967 voor Berta s dusgenaamde broer Dat is niet erg waarschijnlijk als broer van de opdrachtgever zou hij stellig hoger in de getuigenrij hebben gestaan zo niet de opdrachtnemer zijn geweest For example Souvereyns amp Bijsterveld and also Vaes have quite recently described Baerten as still being the standard work Sources editBaerten 1965 Les origines des comtes de Looz et la formation territoriale du comte suite et fin Revue belge de philologie et d histoire 43 4 Jongbloed Hein H 2006 Immed von Kleve um 950 Das erste Klevische Grafenhaus ca 885 ca 1015 als Vorstufe des geldrischen Furstentums PDF Annalen des historischen Vereins fur den Niederrhein doi 10 7788 annalen 2006 209 1 13 S2CID 180819126 Jongbloed 2008 Flamenses in de elfde eeuw Bijdragen en Mededelingen Gelre Jongbloed Hein H 2009 Listige Immo en Herswind Een politieke wildebras in het Maasdal 938 960 en zijn in Thorn rustende dochter Jaarboek Limburgs Geschied en Oudheidkundig Genootschap vol 145 2009 p 9 67 Souvereyns Bijsterveld 2008 Deel 1 De graven van Loon Limburg Het Oude Land van Loon Vaes Jan 2016 De Graven van Loon Loons Luiks Limburgs ISBN 9789059087651 Vanderkindere L 1900 A propos d une charte de Balderic d Utrecht Academie royale de Belgique Bulletin de la Classe des Lettres et des Sciences Morales et Politiques Bruxelles 1 Vanderkindere Leon 1902 La Formation territoriale des principautes belges au Moyen Age Bruxelles H Lamertin 2 van Winter 1981 Ansfried en Dirk twee namen uit de Nederlandse geschiedenis van de 10e en 11e eeuw link Retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title Rudolf son of Nevelong amp oldid 1172976607, wikipedia, wiki, book, books, library,

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