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Nasadiya Sukta

The Nāsadīya Sūkta (after the incipit ná ásat, or "not the non-existent"), also known as the Hymn of Creation, is the 129th hymn of the 10th mandala of the Rigveda (10:129). It is concerned with cosmology and the origin of the universe.[1]

Nasadiya Sukta begins with the statement: "Then, there was neither existence, nor non-existence." It ponders when, why, and through whom the universe came into being in a contemplative tone, and provides no definite answers. Rather, it concludes that the gods too may not know, as they came after creation, and that even the surveyor of that which has been created, in the highest heaven may or may not know.[2] To this extent, the conventional English title Hymn of Creation is perhaps misleading, since the verse does not itself present a cosmogony or creation myth akin to those found in other religious texts, instead provoking the listener to question whether one can ever know ALL the details of origins of the universe.

Nasadiya Sukta (Hymn of non-Eternity, origin of universe):

There was neither non-existence nor existence then;
Neither the realm of space, nor the sky which is beyond;
What stirred? Where? In whose protection?

There was neither death nor immortality then;
No distinguishing sign of night nor of day;
That One breathed, windless, by its own impulse;
Other than that there was nothing beyond.

Darkness there was at first, by darkness hidden;
Without distinctive marks, this all was water;
That which, becoming, by the void was covered;
That One by force of heat came into being;

Who really knows? Who will here proclaim it?
Whence was it produced? Whence is this creation?
Gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe.
Who then knows whence it has arisen?

Whether God's will created it, or whether He was mute;
Perhaps it formed itself, or perhaps it did not;
The Supreme Brahman of the world, all pervasive and all knowing
He indeed knows, if not, no one knows

Rigveda 10.129 (Abridged, Tr: Kramer / Christian)[3]

Interpretations edit

The hymn has attracted a large body of literature of commentaries both in Indian darsanas and in Western philology.[4] The hymn, as Mandala 10 in general, is late within the Rigveda Samhita, and expresses thought more typical of later Vedantic philosophy.[5] Even though untypical of the content of the Vedic hymns, it is one of the most widely received portions of the Rigveda. An atheist interpretation sees the Creation Hymn as one of the earliest accounts of skeptical inquiry and agnosticism.[6] Astronomer Carl Sagan quoted it in discussing India's "tradition of skeptical questioning and unselfconscious humility before the great cosmic mysteries."[7]

The text begins by paradoxically stating "not the non-existent existed, nor did the existent exist then" (ná ásat āsīt ná u sát āsīt tadânīm), paralleled in verse 2 by "then not death existed, nor the immortal" (ná mṛtyúḥ āsīt amŕtam ná tárhi). But already in verse 2 mention is made that there was "breathing without breath, of its own nature, that one" ânīt avātám svadháyā tát ékam). In verse 3, being unfolds, "from heat (tapas) was born that one" (tápasaḥ tát mahinâ ajāyata ékam). Verse 4 mentions desire (kāma) as the primal seed, and the first poet-seers (kavayas) who "found the bond of being within non-being with their heart's thought".

Karel Werner describes the author's source for the material as one not derived from reasoning, but a "visionary, mystical or Yogic experience put into words."[8]

Brereton (1999) argues that the reference to the sages searching for being in their spirit is central, and that the hymn's gradual procession from non-being to being in fact re-enacts creation within the listener (see sphoṭa), equating poetic utterance and creation (see śabda).

Metre edit

Nasadiya Sukta consists of seven trishtubhs, although para 7b is defective, being two syllables short,

yádi vā dadhé yádi vā ná
"if he has created it; or if not [...]"

Brereton (1999) argues that the defect is a conscious device employed by the rishi to express puzzlement at the possibility that the world may not be created, parallel to the syntactic defect of pada 7d, which ends in a subordinate clause without a governing clause:

só aṅgá veda yádi vā ná véda
"he verily knows; or maybe he does not know [...]"[9]

Text and translation edit

Devanagari Transliteration[10] Translation (Basham 1954)[11]

नासदासीन्नो सदासीत्तदानीं नासीद्रजो नो व्योमा परो यत् |

किमावरीवः कुह कस्य शर्मन्नम्भः किमासीद्गहनं गभीरम् ॥ १॥

न मृत्युरासीदमृतं न तर्हि न रात्र्या अह्न आसीत्प्रकेतः |

आनीदवातं स्वधया तदेकं तस्माद्धान्यन्न परः किञ्चनास ॥२॥

तम आसीत्तमसा गूहळमग्रे प्रकेतं सलिलं सर्वाऽइदम् |

तुच्छ्येनाभ्वपिहितं यदासीत्तपसस्तन्महिनाजायतैकम् ॥३॥

कामस्तदग्रे समवर्तताधि मनसो रेतः प्रथमं यदासीत् |

सतो बन्धुमसति निरविन्दन्हृदि प्रतीष्या कवयो मनीषा ॥४॥

तिरश्चीनो विततो रश्मिरेषामधः स्विदासीदुपरि स्विदासीत् |

रेतोधा आसन्महिमान आसन्त्स्वधा अवस्तात्प्रयतिः परस्तात् ॥५॥

को अद्धा वेद क इह प्र वोचत्कुत आजाता कुत इयं विसृष्टिः |

अर्वाग्देवा अस्य विसर्जनेनाथा को वेद यत आबभूव ॥६॥

इयं विसृष्टिर्यत आबभूव यदि वा दधे यदि वा न |

यो अस्याध्यक्षः परमे व्योमन्त्सो अङ्ग वेद यदि वा न वेद ॥७॥

1. nā́sad āsīn nó sád āsīt tadā́nīṃ
nā́sīd rájo nó víomā paró yát
kím ā́varīvaḥ kúha kásya śármann
ámbhaḥ kím āsīd gáhanaṃ gabhīrám

2. ná mr̥tyúr āsīd amŕ̥taṃ ná tárhi
ná rā́triyā áhna āsīt praketáḥ
ā́nīd avātáṃ svadháyā tád ékaṃ
tásmād dhānyán ná paráḥ kíṃ canā́sa

3. táma āsīt támasā gūháḷam ágre
apraketáṃ saliláṃ sárvam ā idám
tuchyénābhú ápihitaṃ yád ā́sīt
tápasas tán mahinā́jāyataíkam

4. kā́mas tád ágre sám avartatā́dhi
mánaso rétaḥ prathamáṃ yád ā́sīt
sató bándhum ásati nír avindan
hr̥dí pratī́ṣyā kaváyo manīṣā́

5. tiraścī́no vítato raśmír eṣām
adháḥ svid āsī́d upári svid āsīt
retodhā́ āsan mahimā́na āsan
svadhā́ avástāt práyatiḥ parástāt

6. kó addhā́ veda ká ihá prá vocat
kúta ā́jātā kúta iyáṃ vísr̥ṣṭiḥ
arvā́g devā́ asyá visárjanena
áthā kó veda yáta ābabhū́va

7. iyáṃ vísr̥ṣṭir yáta ābabhū́va
yádi vā dadhé yádi vā ná
yó asyā́dhyakṣaḥ paramé vyoman
só aṅgá veda yádi vā ná véda

1. Then even non-existence was not there, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the space beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping?
Was there then cosmic fluid, in depths unfathomed?

2. Then there was neither death nor immortality
nor was there then the torch of night and day.
The One breathed windlessly and self-sustaining.
There was that One then, and there was no other.

3. At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness.
All this was only unillumined cosmic water.
That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing,
arose at last, born of the power of knowledge.

4. In the beginning desire descended on it -
that was the primal seed, born of the mind.
The sages who have searched their hearts with wisdom
know that which is, is kin to that which is not.

5. And they have stretched their cord across the void,
and know what was above, and what below.
Seminal powers made fertile mighty forces.
Below was strength, and over it was impulse.

6. But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
the gods themselves are later than creation,
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?

7. Whence all creation had its origin,
the creator, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
the creator, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows — or maybe even he does not know.

See also edit

Notes edit

  1. ^ Swami Ranganathananda (1991). Human Being in Depth: A Scientific Approach to Religion. SUNY Press. p. 21. ISBN 0-7914-0679-2.
  2. ^ "Nasadiya Suktam - The Hymn of Creation in the Rig Veda". www.speakingtree.in. from the original on 2020-01-30. Retrieved 2020-01-30.
  3. ^ * Original Sanskrit: Rigveda 10.129 Archived 2017-05-25 at the Wayback Machine Wikisource;
    • Translation 1: Max Muller (1859). A History of Ancient Sanskrit Literature. Williams and Norgate, London. pp. 559–565.
    • Translation 2: Kenneth Kramer (1986). World Scriptures: An Introduction to Comparative Religions. Paulist Press. p. 21. ISBN 0-8091-2781-4.
    • Translation 3: David Christian (2011). Maps of Time: An Introduction to Big History. University of California Press. pp. 17–18. ISBN 978-0-520-95067-2.
  4. ^ Wendy Doniger says of this hymn (10.129) "This short hymn, though linguistically simple... is conceptually extremely provocative and has, indeed, provoked hundreds of complex commentaries among Indian theologians and Western scholars. In many ways, it is meant to puzzle and challenge, to raise unanswerable questions, to pile up paradoxes." The Rig Veda. (Penguin Books: 1981) p. 25. ISBN 0-14-044989-2.
  5. ^ "Although, no doubt, of high antiquity, the hymn appears to be less of a primary than of a secondary origin, being in fact a controversial composition levelled especially against the Sāṃkhya theory." Ravi Prakash Arya and K. L. Joshi. Ṛgveda Saṃhitā: Sanskrit Text, English Translation, Notes & Index of Verses. (Parimal Publications: Delhi, 2001) ISBN 81-7110-138-7 (Set of four volumes). Parimal Sanskrit Series No. 45; 2003 reprint: 81-7020-070-9, Volume 4, p. 519.
  6. ^ Patri, Umesh and Prativa Devi. "Progress of Atheism in India: A Historical Perspective 2013-09-25 at the Wayback Machine". Atheist Centre 1940-1990 Golden Jubilee. Vijayawada, February 1990. Retrieved 2007-04-02.
  7. ^ Carl Sagan, Cosmos: A Personal Voyage Part 10 - The Edge of Forever Video Link (timestamp-36:40)
  8. ^ Werner, Karel (1977). "Symbolism in the Vedas and Its Conceptualisation". Numen. 24 (3): 223–240. doi:10.2307/3269600. JSTOR 3269600.
  9. ^ Brereton, Joel (1999). "Edifying Puzzlement: Ṛgveda and the Uses of Enigma". Journal of the American Oriental Society. 10 (129).
  10. ^ Karen Thomson and Jonathan Slocum, Rig Veda: a Metrically Restored Text (1994), utexas.edu 2016-03-04 at the Wayback Machine.
  11. ^ A.L. Basham, The Wonder That Was India (1954).

Further reading edit

  • Joel P. Brereton, Edifying Puzzlement: Ṛgveda 10. 129 and the Uses of Enigma, Journal of the American Oriental Society (1999)
  • P. T. Raju, The Development of Indian Thought, Journal of the History of Ideas (1952)
  • Karel Werner, Symbolism in the Vedas and Its Conceptualisation, Numen (1977)
  • Upinder Singh (2008). A History of Ancient and Early Medieval India: From the Stone Age to the 12th Century. Pearson Education India. pp. 206–. ISBN 978-81-317-1120-0.

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The Nasadiya Sukta after the incipit na asat or not the non existent also known as the Hymn of Creation is the 129th hymn of the 10th mandala of the Rigveda 10 129 It is concerned with cosmology and the origin of the universe 1 Nasadiya Sukta begins with the statement Then there was neither existence nor non existence It ponders when why and through whom the universe came into being in a contemplative tone and provides no definite answers Rather it concludes that the gods too may not know as they came after creation and that even the surveyor of that which has been created in the highest heaven may or may not know 2 To this extent the conventional English title Hymn of Creation is perhaps misleading since the verse does not itself present a cosmogony or creation myth akin to those found in other religious texts instead provoking the listener to question whether one can ever know ALL the details of origins of the universe Nasadiya Sukta Hymn of non Eternity origin of universe There was neither non existence nor existence then Neither the realm of space nor the sky which is beyond What stirred Where In whose protection There was neither death nor immortality then No distinguishing sign of night nor of day That One breathed windless by its own impulse Other than that there was nothing beyond Darkness there was at first by darkness hidden Without distinctive marks this all was water That which becoming by the void was covered That One by force of heat came into being Who really knows Who will here proclaim it Whence was it produced Whence is this creation Gods came afterwards with the creation of this universe Who then knows whence it has arisen Whether God s will created it or whether He was mute Perhaps it formed itself or perhaps it did not The Supreme Brahman of the world all pervasive and all knowing He indeed knows if not no one knows Rigveda 10 129 Abridged Tr Kramer Christian 3 Contents 1 Interpretations 2 Metre 3 Text and translation 4 See also 5 Notes 6 Further readingInterpretations editThe hymn has attracted a large body of literature of commentaries both in Indian darsanas and in Western philology 4 The hymn as Mandala 10 in general is late within the Rigveda Samhita and expresses thought more typical of later Vedantic philosophy 5 Even though untypical of the content of the Vedic hymns it is one of the most widely received portions of the Rigveda An atheist interpretation sees the Creation Hymn as one of the earliest accounts of skeptical inquiry and agnosticism 6 Astronomer Carl Sagan quoted it in discussing India s tradition of skeptical questioning and unselfconscious humility before the great cosmic mysteries 7 The text begins by paradoxically stating not the non existent existed nor did the existent exist then na asat asit na u sat asit tadanim paralleled in verse 2 by then not death existed nor the immortal na mṛtyuḥ asit amŕtam na tarhi But already in verse 2 mention is made that there was breathing without breath of its own nature that one anit avatam svadhaya tat ekam In verse 3 being unfolds from heat tapas was born that one tapasaḥ tat mahina ajayata ekam Verse 4 mentions desire kama as the primal seed and the first poet seers kavayas who found the bond of being within non being with their heart s thought Karel Werner describes the author s source for the material as one not derived from reasoning but a visionary mystical or Yogic experience put into words 8 Brereton 1999 argues that the reference to the sages searching for being in their spirit is central and that the hymn s gradual procession from non being to being in fact re enacts creation within the listener see sphoṭa equating poetic utterance and creation see sabda Metre editNasadiya Sukta consists of seven trishtubhs although para 7b is defective being two syllables short yadi va dadhe yadi va na if he has created it or if not Brereton 1999 argues that the defect is a conscious device employed by the rishi to express puzzlement at the possibility that the world may not be created parallel to the syntactic defect of pada 7d which ends in a subordinate clause without a governing clause so aṅga veda yadi va na veda he verily knows or maybe he does not know 9 Text and translation editDevanagari Transliteration 10 Translation Basham 1954 11 न सद स न न सद स त तद न न स द रज न व य म पर यत क म वर व क ह कस य शर मन नम भ क म स द गहन गभ रम १ न म त य र स दम त न तर ह न र त र य अह न आस त प रक त आन दव त स वधय तद क तस म द ध न यन न पर क ञ चन स २ तम आस त तमस ग हळमग र प रक त सल ल सर व ऽइदम त च छ य न भ वप ह त यद स त तपसस तन मह न ज यत कम ३ क मस तदग र समवर तत ध मनस र त प रथम यद स त सत बन ध मसत न रव न दन ह द प रत ष य कवय मन ष ४ त रश च न व तत रश म र ष मध स व द स द पर स व द स त र त ध आसन मह म न आसन त स वध अवस त त प रयत परस त त ५ क अद ध व द क इह प र व चत क त आज त क त इय व स ष ट अर व ग द व अस य व सर जन न थ क व द यत आबभ व ६ इय व स ष ट र यत आबभ व यद व दध यद व न य अस य ध यक ष परम व य मन त स अङ ग व द यद व न व द ७ 1 na sad asin no sad asit tada niṃ na sid rajo no vioma paro yat kim a varivaḥ kuha kasya sarmann ambhaḥ kim asid gahanaṃ gabhiram 2 na mr tyur asid amŕ taṃ na tarhi na ra triya ahna asit praketaḥ a nid avataṃ svadhaya tad ekaṃ tasmad dhanyan na paraḥ kiṃ cana sa 3 tama asit tamasa guhaḷam agre apraketaṃ salilaṃ sarvam a idam tuchyenabhu apihitaṃ yad a sit tapasas tan mahina jayataikam 4 ka mas tad agre sam avartata dhi manaso retaḥ prathamaṃ yad a sit sato bandhum asati nir avindan hr di prati ṣya kavayo maniṣa 5 tirasci no vitato rasmir eṣam adhaḥ svid asi d upari svid asit retodha asan mahima na asan svadha avastat prayatiḥ parastat 6 ko addha veda ka iha pra vocat kuta a jata kuta iyaṃ visr ṣṭiḥ arva g deva asya visarjanena atha ko veda yata ababhu va 7 iyaṃ visr ṣṭir yata ababhu va yadi va dadhe yadi va na yo asya dhyakṣaḥ parame vyoman so aṅga veda yadi va na veda 1 Then even non existence was not there nor existence There was no air then nor the space beyond it What covered it Where was it In whose keeping Was there then cosmic fluid in depths unfathomed 2 Then there was neither death nor immortality nor was there then the torch of night and day The One breathed windlessly and self sustaining There was that One then and there was no other 3 At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness All this was only unillumined cosmic water That One which came to be enclosed in nothing arose at last born of the power of knowledge 4 In the beginning desire descended on it that was the primal seed born of the mind The sages who have searched their hearts with wisdom know that which is is kin to that which is not 5 And they have stretched their cord across the void and know what was above and what below Seminal powers made fertile mighty forces Below was strength and over it was impulse 6 But after all who knows and who can say Whence it all came and how creation happened the gods themselves are later than creation so who knows truly whence it has arisen 7 Whence all creation had its origin the creator whether he fashioned it or whether he did not the creator who surveys it all from highest heaven he knows or maybe even he does not know See also editCreation myth Creatio ex nihilo God in Hinduism Hindu cosmology Hiranyagarbha Indian logic List of suktas and stutis Narayana sukta Neti neti Purusha SuktaNotes edit Swami Ranganathananda 1991 Human Being in Depth A Scientific Approach to Religion SUNY Press p 21 ISBN 0 7914 0679 2 Nasadiya Suktam The Hymn of Creation in the Rig Veda www speakingtree in Archived from the original on 2020 01 30 Retrieved 2020 01 30 Original Sanskrit Rigveda 10 129 Archived 2017 05 25 at the Wayback Machine Wikisource Translation 1 Max Muller 1859 A History of Ancient Sanskrit Literature Williams and Norgate London pp 559 565 Translation 2 Kenneth Kramer 1986 World Scriptures An Introduction to Comparative Religions Paulist Press p 21 ISBN 0 8091 2781 4 Translation 3 David Christian 2011 Maps of Time An Introduction to Big History University of California Press pp 17 18 ISBN 978 0 520 95067 2 Wendy Doniger says of this hymn 10 129 This short hymn though linguistically simple is conceptually extremely provocative and has indeed provoked hundreds of complex commentaries among Indian theologians and Western scholars In many ways it is meant to puzzle and challenge to raise unanswerable questions to pile up paradoxes The Rig Veda Penguin Books 1981 p 25 ISBN 0 14 044989 2 Although no doubt of high antiquity the hymn appears to be less of a primary than of a secondary origin being in fact a controversial composition levelled especially against the Saṃkhya theory Ravi Prakash Arya and K L Joshi Ṛgveda Saṃhita Sanskrit Text English Translation Notes amp Index of Verses Parimal Publications Delhi 2001 ISBN 81 7110 138 7 Set of four volumes Parimal Sanskrit Series No 45 2003 reprint 81 7020 070 9 Volume 4 p 519 Patri Umesh and Prativa Devi Progress of Atheism in India A Historical Perspective Archived 2013 09 25 at the Wayback Machine Atheist Centre 1940 1990 Golden Jubilee Vijayawada February 1990 Retrieved 2007 04 02 Carl Sagan Cosmos A Personal Voyage Part 10 The Edge of Forever Video Link timestamp 36 40 Werner Karel 1977 Symbolism in the Vedas and Its Conceptualisation Numen 24 3 223 240 doi 10 2307 3269600 JSTOR 3269600 Brereton Joel 1999 Edifying Puzzlement Ṛgveda and the Uses of Enigma Journal of the American Oriental Society 10 129 Karen Thomson and Jonathan Slocum Rig Veda a Metrically Restored Text 1994 utexas edu Archived 2016 03 04 at the Wayback Machine A L Basham The Wonder That Was India 1954 Further reading editJoel P Brereton Edifying Puzzlement Ṛgveda 10 129 and the Uses of Enigma Journal of the American Oriental Society 1999 P T Raju The Development of Indian Thought Journal of the History of Ideas 1952 Karel Werner Symbolism in the Vedas and Its Conceptualisation Numen 1977 Upinder Singh 2008 A History of Ancient and Early Medieval India From the Stone Age to the 12th Century Pearson Education India pp 206 ISBN 978 81 317 1120 0 Retrieved from https en wikipedia org w index php title Nasadiya Sukta amp oldid 1196158825, wikipedia, wiki, book, books, library,

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