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Comma (music)

In music theory, a comma is a very small interval, the difference resulting from tuning one note two different ways.[1] Strictly speaking, there are only two kinds of comma, the syntonic comma, "the difference between a just major 3rd and four just perfect 5ths less two octaves", and the Pythagorean comma, "the difference between twelve 5ths and seven octaves".[2] The word comma used without qualification refers to the syntonic comma,[3] which can be defined, for instance, as the difference between an F tuned using the D-based Pythagorean tuning system, and another F tuned using the D-based quarter-comma meantone tuning system. Intervals separated by the ratio 81:80 are considered the same note because the 12-note Western chromatic scale does not distinguish Pythagorean intervals from 5-limit intervals in its notation. Other intervals are considered commas because of the enharmonic equivalences of a tuning system. For example, in 53TET, B and A are both approximated by the same interval although they are a septimal kleisma apart.

Syntonic comma on C
Pythagorean comma on C

Etymology edit

Translated in this context, "comma" means "a hair" as in "off by just a hair"[citation needed]. The word "comma" came via Latin from Greek κόμμα, from earlier *κοπ-μα: "the result or effect of cutting". A more complete etymology is given in the article κόμμα (Ancient Greek) in the Wiktionary.

Description edit

Within the same tuning system, two enharmonically equivalent notes (such as G and A) may have a slightly different frequency, and the interval between them is a comma. For example, in extended scales produced with five-limit tuning an A tuned as a major third below C5 and a G tuned as two major thirds above C4 are not exactly the same note, as they would be in equal temperament. The interval between those notes, the diesis, is an easily audible comma (its size is more than 40% of a semitone).

Commas are often defined as the difference in size between two semitones.[citation needed] Each meantone temperament tuning system produces a 12-tone scale characterized by two different kinds of semitones (diatonic and chromatic), and hence by a comma of unique size. The same is true for Pythagorean tuning.

 
Lesser diesis defined in quarter-comma meantone as difference between semitones (m2 − A1), or interval between enharmonically equivalent notes (from C to D). The interval from C to D is narrower than in Pythagorean tuning (see below).
 
Pythagorean comma (PC) defined in Pythagorean tuning as difference between semitones (A1 − m2), or interval between enharmonically equivalent notes (from D to C). The interval from C to D is wider than in quarter-comma meantone (see above).

In just intonation, more than two kinds of semitones may be produced. Thus, a single tuning system may be characterized by several different commas. For instance, a commonly used version of five-limit tuning produces a 12-tone scale with four kinds of semitones and four commas.

The size of commas is commonly expressed and compared in terms of cents11200 fractions of an octave on a logarithmic scale.

Commas in different contexts edit

 
Comparison of the size of different commas, in cents. Equal-tempered semitone added for comparison. JND is the just-noticeable difference between tones.

In the column below labeled "Difference between semitones", min2 is the minor second (diatonic semitone), aug1 is the augmented unison (chromatic semitone), and S1, S2, S3, S4 are semitones as defined here. In the columns labeled "Interval 1" and "Interval 2", all intervals are presumed to be tuned in just intonation. Notice that the Pythagorean comma (κ𝜋) and the syntonic comma (κS) are basic intervals that can be used as yardsticks to define some of the other commas. For instance, the difference between them is a small comma called schisma. A schisma is not audible in many contexts, as its size is narrower than the smallest audible difference between tones (which is around six cents, also known as just-noticeable difference, or JND).

Name of comma Alternative name Definitions Size
Difference between
semitones
Difference between
commas
Difference between Cents Ratio
Interval 1 Interval 2
schisma skhisma aug1 − min2
in  1 / 12 comma meantone
1 κ𝜋 − 1 κS 8 perfect fifths +
major third
5 octaves 1.95  
septimal kleisma 3 major thirds octave
septimal comma
7.71  
kleisma 6 minor thirds octave +
perfect fifth
("tritave")
8.11  
small undecimal comma[4] neutral second minor tone 17.40  
diaschisma diaskhisma min2 − aug1
in  1 / 6 comma meantone,
S3 − S2
in 5-limit tuning
2 κS − 1 κ𝜋 3 octaves 4 perfect fifths +
2 major thirds
19.55  
syntonic comma
(κS)
Didymus' comma S2 − S1
in 5 limit tuning
4 perfect fifths 2 octaves +
1 major third
21.51  
major tone minor tone
53 TET comma
(κ53)
1 step
(in 53 TET)
 1 / 9 major tone
(in 53 TET)
 1 / 8 minor tone
(in 53 TET)
major tone
(in 53 TET)
minor tone
(in 53 TET)
22.64  
Pythagorean comma
(κ𝜋)
ditonic comma aug1min2
(in Pythagorean tuning)
12 perfect fifths 7 octaves 23.46  
septimal comma[5] Archytas' comma
(κA)
minor seventh septimal minor seventh 27.26  
diesis lesser diesis
diminished second
min2 − aug1
in  1 / 4 comma meantone,
S3 − S1
in 5 limit tuning
3 κS − 1 κ𝜋 octave 3 major thirds 41.06  
undecimal comma[5][6] Undecimal quarter-tone undecimal tritone perfect fourth 53.27  
greater diesis min2 − aug1
in  1 / 3 comma meantone,
S4 − S1
in 5 limit tuning
4 κS − 1 κ𝜋 4 minor thirds octave 62.57  
tridecimal comma tridecimal third-tone tridecimal tritone perfect fourth 65.34  

Many other commas have been enumerated and named by microtonalists.[7]

The syntonic comma has a crucial role in the history of music. It is the amount by which some of the notes produced in Pythagorean tuning were flattened or sharpened to produce just minor and major thirds. In Pythagorean tuning, the only highly consonant intervals were the perfect fifth and its inversion, the perfect fourth. The Pythagorean major third (81:64) and minor third (32:27) were dissonant, and this prevented musicians from freely using triads and chords, forcing them to write music with relatively simple texture. Musicians in late Middle Ages recognized that by slightly tempering the pitch of some notes, the Pythagorean thirds could be made consonant. For instance, if you decrease the frequency of E by a syntonic comma (81:80), C–E (a major third) and E–G (a minor third) become just: C–E is flattened by a just ratio of

 

and at the same time E–G is sharpened to the just ratio of

 

This led to the creation of a new tuning system, known as quarter-comma meantone, which permitted the full development of music with complex texture, such as polyphonic music, or melodies with instrumental accompaniment. Since then, other tuning systems were developed, and the syntonic comma was used as a reference value to temper the perfect fifths throughout the family of syntonic temperaments, including meantone temperaments.

Alternative definitions edit

In quarter-comma meantone, and any kind of meantone temperament tuning system that tempers the fifth to a size smaller than 700 cents, the comma is a diminished second, which can be equivalently defined as the difference between:

In Pythagorean tuning, and any kind of meantone temperament tuning system that tempers the fifth to a size larger than 700 cents (such as  1 / 12 comma meantone), the comma is the opposite of a diminished second, and therefore the opposite of the above-listed differences. More exactly, in these tuning systems the diminished second is a descending interval, while the comma is its ascending opposite. For instance, the Pythagorean comma (531441:524288, or about 23.5 cents) can be computed as the difference between a chromatic and a diatonic semitone, which is the opposite of a Pythagorean diminished second (524288:531441, or about −23.5 cents).

In each of the above-mentioned tuning systems, the above-listed differences have all the same size. For instance, in Pythagorean tuning they are all equal to the opposite of a Pythagorean comma, and in quarter comma meantone they are all equal to a diesis.

Notation edit

In the years 2000–2004, Marc Sabat and Wolfgang von Schweinitz worked together in Berlin to develop a method to exactly indicate pitches in staff notation. This method was called the extended Helmholtz-Ellis JI pitch notation.[8] Sabat and Schweinitz take the "conventional" flats, naturals and sharps as a Pythagorean series of perfect fifths. Thus, a series of perfect fifths beginning with F proceeds C G D A E B F and so on. The advantage for musicians is that conventional reading of the basic fourths and fifths remains familiar. Such an approach has also been advocated by Daniel James Wolf and by Joe Monzo, who refers to it by the acronym HEWM (Helmholtz-Ellis-Wolf-Monzo).[9] In the Sabat-Schweinitz design, syntonic commas are marked by arrows attached to the flat, natural or sharp sign, septimal commas using Giuseppe Tartini's symbol, and undecimal quartertones using the common practice quartertone signs (a single cross and backwards flat). For higher primes, additional signs have been designed. To facilitate quick estimation of pitches, cents indications may be added (downward deviations below and upward deviations above the respective accidental). The convention used is that the cents written refer to the tempered pitch implied by the flat, natural, or sharp sign and the note name. One of the great advantages of any such a notation is that it allows the natural harmonic series to be precisely notated. A complete legend and fonts for the notation (see samples) are open source and available from Plainsound Music Edition.[full citation needed] Thus a Pythagorean scale is C D E F G A B C, while a just scale is C D E  F G A   B  C.

Composer Ben Johnston uses a "−" as an accidental to indicate a note is lowered a syntonic comma, or a "+" to indicate a note is raised a syntonic comma;[10] however, Johnston's "basic scale" (the plain nominals A B C D E F G) is tuned to just-intonation and thus already includes the syntonic comma. Thus a Pythagorean scale is C D E+ F G A+ B+ C, while a just scale is C D E F G A B.

Tempering of commas edit

Commas are frequently used in the description of musical temperaments, where they describe distinctions between musical intervals that are eliminated by that tuning system. A comma can be viewed as the distance between two musical intervals. When a given comma is tempered out in a tuning system, the ability to distinguish between those two intervals in that tuning is eliminated. For example, the difference between the diatonic semitone and chromatic semitone is called the diesis. The widely used 12 tone equal temperament tempers out the diesis, and thus does not distinguish between the two different types of semitones. On the other hand, 19 tone equal temperament does not temper out this comma, and thus it distinguishes between the two semitones.

Examples:

  • 12 TET tempers out the diesis, as well as a variety of other commas.
  • 19 TET tempers out the septimal diesis and syntonic comma, but does not temper out the diesis.
  • 22 TET tempers out the septimal comma of Archytas, but does not temper out the septimal diesis or syntonic comma.
  • 31 TET tempers out the syntonic comma, as well as the comma defined by the ratio  99 / 98 , but does not temper out the diesis, septimal diesis, or septimal comma of Archytas.

The following table lists the number of steps used that correspond various just intervals in various tuning systems. Zeros indicate that the interval is a comma (i.e. is tempered out) in that particular equal temperament.[clarification needed] All of the frequency ratios in the first column are linked to their wikipedia article.

Interval
(frequency ratio)
5 T EDO 7 T EDO 12 T EDO 19 T EDO 22 T EDO 31 T EDO 34 T EDO 41 T EDO 53 T EDO 72 T EDO
    5 7 12 19 22 31 34 41 53 72
    5 6 11 17 20 28 31 37 48 65
    4 6 10 16 19 26 29 35 45 61
    4 6 10 15 18 25 28 33 43 58
    4 5 9 14 16 23 25 30 39 53
    3 5 8 13 15 21 23 28 36 49
    3 4 7 11 13 18 20 24 31 42
    3 3 6 10 11 16 17 21 27 37
    2 4 6 10 11 16 17 21 27 37
    3 3 6 9 11 15 17 20 26 35
    2 4 6 9 11 15 17 20 26 35
    2 3 5 8 9 13 14 17 22 30
    2 2 4 7 8 11 12 15 19 26
    2 2 4 6 7 10 11 13 17 23
    1 2 3 5 6 8 9 11 14 19
    1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 12 16
    1 1 2 4 4 6 6 8 10 14
    1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 12
    1 1 2 3 3 5 5 6 8 11
    0 1 1 2 3 3 4 5 6 8
    1 0 1 2 2 3 3 4 5 7
    0 1 1 2 2 3 3 4 5 7
    0 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 4 5
    1 0 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 4
    −1 1 0 1 2 1 2 3 3 4
    0 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 4
    0 0 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 3
    −1 1 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 3
    0 1 1 0 1 1 2 1 2 2
    1 −1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 2
    0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 2
    1 −1 0 −1 2 −1 2 1 1 0
    0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 1
    −1 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 2
    −1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 1
    0 −1 −1 1 0 0 −1 1 0 1
  3 −2 1 −1 0 0 1 −1 0 −1
    2 −1 1 0 −1 1 0 −1 0 0
    1 −1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    1 −1 0 −1 1 −1 1 0 0 −1
    −1 2 1 −1 1 0 2 0 1 0
    −1 0 −1 0 1 −1 0 1 0 0

The comma can also be considered to be the fractional interval that remains after a "full circle" of some repeated chosen interval; the repeated intervals are all the same size, in relative pitch, and all the tones produced are reduced or raised by whole octaves back to the octave surrounding the starting pitch. The Pythagorean comma, for instance, is the difference obtained, say, between A and G after a circle of twelve just fifths. A circle of three just major thirds, such as  A C E G , produces the small diesis  128 / 125 (41.1 cent) between G and A. A circle of four just minor thirds, such as  G B D F A , produces an interval of  648 / 625 between A and G, etc. An interesting property of temperaments is that this difference remains whatever the tuning of the intervals forming the circle.[11] In this sense, commas and similar minute intervals can never be completely tempered out, whatever the tuning.

Comma sequence edit

A comma sequence defines a musical temperament through a unique sequence of commas at increasing prime limits.[12] The first comma of the comma sequence is in the q-limit, where q is the n‑th odd prime (prime 2 being ignored because it represents the octave) and n is the number of generators. Subsequent commas are in prime limits, each the next prime in sequence above the last.

Other intervals called commas edit

There are also several intervals called commas, which are not technically commas because they are not rational fractions like those above, but are irrational approximations of them. These include the Holdrian and Mercator's commas,[13] and the pitch-to-pitch step size in 53 TET.

See also edit

References edit

  1. ^ Waldo Selden Pratt (1922). Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians, Vol. 1, p. 568. John Alexander Fuller Maitland, Sir George Grove, eds. Macmillan.
  2. ^ Clive Greated (2001). "Comma", Grove Music Online. doi:10.1093/gmo/9781561592630.article.06186
  3. ^ Benson, Dave (2006). Music: A Mathematical Offering, p. 171. ISBN 0-521-85387-7.
  4. ^ Haluška, Ján (2003). The Mathematical Theory of Tone Systems. CRC Press. p. xxvi. ISBN 0-8247-4714-3.
  5. ^ a b Rasch, Rudolph (2000). "A word or two on the tunings of Harry Partch". In Dunn, David (ed.). Harry Partch: An anthology of critical perspectives. p. 34. ISBN 90-5755-065-2. — Describes difference between 11 limit and 3 limit intervals.
  6. ^ Rasch, Rudolph (1988). "Farey systems of musical intonation". In Benitez, J.M.; et al. (eds.). Listening. Vol. 2. p. 40. ISBN 3-7186-4846-6. = Source for 32:33 as difference between 11:16 & 2:3 .
  7. ^ "List of commas, by prime limit". Xenharmonic wiki.
  8. ^ see article "The Extended Helmholtz-Ellis JI Pitch Notation: eine Notationsmetode für dienatürlichen Intervalle" in Mikrotöne und mehr – Auf György Ligetis Hamburger Pfaden, ed. Manfred Stahnke, von Bockel Verlag, Hamburg 2005 ISBN 3-932696-62-X
  9. ^ Tonalsoft Encyclopaedia article about 'HEWM' notation
  10. ^ John Fonville. "Ben Johnston's Extended Just Intonation – A Guide for Interpreters", p. 109, Perspectives of New Music, vol. 29, no. 2 (Summer 1991), pp. 106–137. and Johnston, Ben and Gilmore, Bob (2006). "A Notation System for Extended Just Intonation" (2003), "Maximum clarity" and Other Writings on Music, p. 78. ISBN 978-0-252-03098-7
  11. ^ Rasch, Rudolf (2002). "Tuning and temperament". In Christensen, Th. (ed.). The Cambridge History of Western Music Theory. Cambridge University Press. p. 201. ISBN 0-521-62371-5.
  12. ^ Smith, G.W. "Comma sequences". Xenharmony. Retrieved 26 July 2012 – via lumma.org.
  13. ^ Monzo, Joe. "Mercator-comma / Mercator's comma". tonalsoft.com.

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This article is about the interval For the silent pause see Caesura In music theory a comma is a very small interval the difference resulting from tuning one note two different ways 1 Strictly speaking there are only two kinds of comma the syntonic comma the difference between a just major 3rd and four just perfect 5ths less two octaves and the Pythagorean comma the difference between twelve 5ths and seven octaves 2 The word comma used without qualification refers to the syntonic comma 3 which can be defined for instance as the difference between an F tuned using the D based Pythagorean tuning system and another F tuned using the D based quarter comma meantone tuning system Intervals separated by the ratio 81 80 are considered the same note because the 12 note Western chromatic scale does not distinguish Pythagorean intervals from 5 limit intervals in its notation Other intervals are considered commas because of the enharmonic equivalences of a tuning system For example in 53TET B and A are both approximated by the same interval although they are a septimal kleisma apart Syntonic comma on C source source source Pythagorean comma on C source source source Contents 1 Etymology 2 Description 3 Commas in different contexts 3 1 Alternative definitions 4 Notation 5 Tempering of commas 5 1 Comma sequence 6 Other intervals called commas 7 See also 8 ReferencesEtymology editTranslated in this context comma means a hair as in off by just a hair citation needed The word comma came via Latin from Greek komma from earlier kop ma the result or effect of cutting A more complete etymology is given in the article komma Ancient Greek in the Wiktionary Description editWithin the same tuning system two enharmonically equivalent notes such as G and A may have a slightly different frequency and the interval between them is a comma For example in extended scales produced with five limit tuning an A tuned as a major third below C5 and a G tuned as two major thirds above C4 are not exactly the same note as they would be in equal temperament The interval between those notes the diesis is an easily audible comma its size is more than 40 of a semitone Commas are often defined as the difference in size between two semitones citation needed Each meantone temperament tuning system produces a 12 tone scale characterized by two different kinds of semitones diatonic and chromatic and hence by a comma of unique size The same is true for Pythagorean tuning nbsp Lesser diesis defined in quarter comma meantone as difference between semitones m2 A1 or interval between enharmonically equivalent notes from C to D The interval from C to D is narrower than in Pythagorean tuning see below source source source nbsp Pythagorean comma PC defined in Pythagorean tuning as difference between semitones A1 m2 or interval between enharmonically equivalent notes from D to C The interval from C to D is wider than in quarter comma meantone see above In just intonation more than two kinds of semitones may be produced Thus a single tuning system may be characterized by several different commas For instance a commonly used version of five limit tuning produces a 12 tone scale with four kinds of semitones and four commas The size of commas is commonly expressed and compared in terms of cents 1 1200 fractions of an octave on a logarithmic scale Commas in different contexts edit nbsp Comparison of the size of different commas in cents Equal tempered semitone added for comparison JND is the just noticeable difference between tones In the column below labeled Difference between semitones min 2 is the minor second diatonic semitone aug1 is the augmented unison chromatic semitone and S1 S2 S3 S4 are semitones as defined here In the columns labeled Interval 1 and Interval 2 all intervals are presumed to be tuned in just intonation Notice that the Pythagorean comma k 𝜋 and the syntonic comma k S are basic intervals that can be used as yardsticks to define some of the other commas For instance the difference between them is a small comma called schisma A schisma is not audible in many contexts as its size is narrower than the smallest audible difference between tones which is around six cents also known as just noticeable difference or JND Name of comma Alternative name Definitions Size Difference betweensemitones Difference betweencommas Difference between Cents Ratio Interval 1 Interval 2 schisma skhisma aug1 min 2in 1 12 comma meantone 1 k 𝜋 1 k S 8 perfect fifths 1 major third 5 octaves 1 95 32805 32768 displaystyle tfrac 32805 32768 nbsp septimal kleisma 3 major thirds 1 octave 1 septimal comma 7 71 225 224 displaystyle tfrac 225 224 nbsp kleisma 6 minor thirds 1 octave 1 perfect fifth tritave 8 11 15625 15552 displaystyle tfrac 15625 15552 nbsp small undecimal comma 4 1 neutral second 1 minor tone 17 40 100 99 displaystyle tfrac 100 99 nbsp diaschisma diaskhisma min 2 aug1in 1 6 comma meantone S3 S2in 5 limit tuning 2 k S 1 k 𝜋 3 octaves 4 perfect fifths 2 major thirds 19 55 2048 2025 displaystyle tfrac 2048 2025 nbsp syntonic comma k S Didymus comma S2 S1in 5 limit tuning 4 perfect fifths 2 octaves 1 major third 21 51 81 80 displaystyle tfrac 81 80 nbsp major tone minor tone 53 TET comma k 53 1 step in 53 TET 1 9 major tone in 53 TET 1 8 minor tone in 53 TET major tone in 53 TET minor tone in 53 TET 22 64 2 1 53 displaystyle bigl 2 bigr tfrac 1 53 nbsp Pythagorean comma k 𝜋 ditonic comma aug1 min 2 in Pythagorean tuning 12 perfect fifths 7 octaves 23 46 531441 524288 displaystyle tfrac 531441 524288 nbsp septimal comma 5 Archytas comma k A minor seventh septimal minor seventh 27 26 64 63 displaystyle tfrac 64 63 nbsp diesis lesser diesisdiminished second min 2 aug1in 1 4 comma meantone S3 S1in 5 limit tuning 3 k S 1 k 𝜋 octave 3 major thirds 41 06 128 125 displaystyle tfrac 128 125 nbsp undecimal comma 5 6 Undecimal quarter tone undecimal tritone perfect fourth 53 27 33 32 displaystyle tfrac 33 32 nbsp greater diesis min 2 aug1in 1 3 comma meantone S4 S1in 5 limit tuning 4 k S 1 k 𝜋 4 minor thirds octave 62 57 648 625 displaystyle tfrac 648 625 nbsp tridecimal comma tridecimal third tone tridecimal tritone perfect fourth 65 34 27 26 displaystyle tfrac 27 26 nbsp Many other commas have been enumerated and named by microtonalists 7 The syntonic comma has a crucial role in the history of music It is the amount by which some of the notes produced in Pythagorean tuning were flattened or sharpened to produce just minor and major thirds In Pythagorean tuning the only highly consonant intervals were the perfect fifth and its inversion the perfect fourth The Pythagorean major third 81 64 and minor third 32 27 were dissonant and this prevented musicians from freely using triads and chords forcing them to write music with relatively simple texture Musicians in late Middle Ages recognized that by slightly tempering the pitch of some notes the Pythagorean thirds could be made consonant For instance if you decrease the frequency of E by a syntonic comma 81 80 C E a major third and E G a minor third become just C E is flattened by a just ratio of 81 64 80 81 1 5 4 1 5 4 displaystyle frac 81 64 cdot frac 80 81 frac 1 cdot 5 4 cdot 1 frac 5 4 nbsp and at the same time E G is sharpened to the just ratio of 32 27 81 80 2 3 1 5 6 5 displaystyle frac 32 27 cdot frac 81 80 frac 2 cdot 3 1 cdot 5 frac 6 5 nbsp This led to the creation of a new tuning system known as quarter comma meantone which permitted the full development of music with complex texture such as polyphonic music or melodies with instrumental accompaniment Since then other tuning systems were developed and the syntonic comma was used as a reference value to temper the perfect fifths throughout the family of syntonic temperaments including meantone temperaments Alternative definitions edit In quarter comma meantone and any kind of meantone temperament tuning system that tempers the fifth to a size smaller than 700 cents the comma is a diminished second which can be equivalently defined as the difference between minor second and augmented unison also known as diatonic and chromatic semitones or major second and diminished third or minor third and augmented second or major third and diminished fourth or perfect fourth and augmented third or augmented fourth and diminished fifth or perfect fifth and diminished sixth or minor sixth and augmented fifth or major sixth and diminished seventh or minor seventh and augmented sixth or major seventh and diminished octave In Pythagorean tuning and any kind of meantone temperament tuning system that tempers the fifth to a size larger than 700 cents such as 1 12 comma meantone the comma is the opposite of a diminished second and therefore the opposite of the above listed differences More exactly in these tuning systems the diminished second is a descending interval while the comma is its ascending opposite For instance the Pythagorean comma 531441 524288 or about 23 5 cents can be computed as the difference between a chromatic and a diatonic semitone which is the opposite of a Pythagorean diminished second 524288 531441 or about 23 5 cents In each of the above mentioned tuning systems the above listed differences have all the same size For instance in Pythagorean tuning they are all equal to the opposite of a Pythagorean comma and in quarter comma meantone they are all equal to a diesis Notation editIn the years 2000 2004 Marc Sabat and Wolfgang von Schweinitz worked together in Berlin to develop a method to exactly indicate pitches in staff notation This method was called the extended Helmholtz Ellis JI pitch notation 8 Sabat and Schweinitz take the conventional flats naturals and sharps as a Pythagorean series of perfect fifths Thus a series of perfect fifths beginning with F proceeds C G D A E B F and so on The advantage for musicians is that conventional reading of the basic fourths and fifths remains familiar Such an approach has also been advocated by Daniel James Wolf and by Joe Monzo who refers to it by the acronym HEWM Helmholtz Ellis Wolf Monzo 9 In the Sabat Schweinitz design syntonic commas are marked by arrows attached to the flat natural or sharp sign septimal commas using Giuseppe Tartini s symbol and undecimal quartertones using the common practice quartertone signs a single cross and backwards flat For higher primes additional signs have been designed To facilitate quick estimation of pitches cents indications may be added downward deviations below and upward deviations above the respective accidental The convention used is that the cents written refer to the tempered pitch implied by the flat natural or sharp sign and the note name One of the great advantages of any such a notation is that it allows the natural harmonic series to be precisely notated A complete legend and fonts for the notation see samples are open source and available from Plainsound Music Edition full citation needed Thus a Pythagorean scale is C D E F G A B C while a just scale is C D E nbsp F G A nbsp B nbsp C Composer Ben Johnston uses a as an accidental to indicate a note is lowered a syntonic comma or a to indicate a note is raised a syntonic comma 10 however Johnston s basic scale the plain nominals A B C D E F G is tuned to just intonation and thus already includes the syntonic comma Thus a Pythagorean scale is C D E F G A B C while a just scale is C D E F G A B Tempering of commas editCommas are frequently used in the description of musical temperaments where they describe distinctions between musical intervals that are eliminated by that tuning system A comma can be viewed as the distance between two musical intervals When a given comma is tempered out in a tuning system the ability to distinguish between those two intervals in that tuning is eliminated For example the difference between the diatonic semitone and chromatic semitone is called the diesis The widely used 12 tone equal temperament tempers out the diesis and thus does not distinguish between the two different types of semitones On the other hand 19 tone equal temperament does not temper out this comma and thus it distinguishes between the two semitones Examples 12 TET tempers out the diesis as well as a variety of other commas 19 TET tempers out the septimal diesis and syntonic comma but does not temper out the diesis 22 TET tempers out the septimal comma of Archytas but does not temper out the septimal diesis or syntonic comma 31 TET tempers out the syntonic comma as well as the comma defined by the ratio 99 98 but does not temper out the diesis septimal diesis or septimal comma of Archytas The following table lists the number of steps used that correspond various just intervals in various tuning systems Zeros indicate that the interval is a comma i e is tempered out in that particular equal temperament clarification needed All of the frequency ratios in the first column are linked to their wikipedia article Interval frequency ratio 5 T EDO 7 T EDO 12 T EDO 19 T EDO 22 T EDO 31 T EDO 34 T EDO 41 T EDO 53 T EDO 72 T EDO 2 1 displaystyle tfrac 2 1 nbsp 5 7 12 19 22 31 34 41 53 72 15 8 displaystyle tfrac 15 8 nbsp 5 6 11 17 20 28 31 37 48 65 9 5 displaystyle tfrac 9 5 nbsp 4 6 10 16 19 26 29 35 45 61 7 4 displaystyle tfrac 7 4 nbsp 4 6 10 15 18 25 28 33 43 58 5 3 displaystyle tfrac 5 3 nbsp 4 5 9 14 16 23 25 30 39 53 8 5 displaystyle tfrac 8 5 nbsp 3 5 8 13 15 21 23 28 36 49 3 2 displaystyle tfrac 3 2 nbsp 3 4 7 11 13 18 20 24 31 42 10 7 displaystyle tfrac 10 7 nbsp 3 3 6 10 11 16 17 21 27 37 64 45 displaystyle tfrac 64 45 nbsp 2 4 6 10 11 16 17 21 27 37 45 32 displaystyle tfrac 45 32 nbsp 3 3 6 9 11 15 17 20 26 35 7 5 displaystyle tfrac 7 5 nbsp 2 4 6 9 11 15 17 20 26 35 4 3 displaystyle tfrac 4 3 nbsp 2 3 5 8 9 13 14 17 22 30 9 7 displaystyle tfrac 9 7 nbsp 2 2 4 7 8 11 12 15 19 26 5 4 displaystyle tfrac 5 4 nbsp 2 2 4 6 7 10 11 13 17 23 6 5 displaystyle tfrac 6 5 nbsp 1 2 3 5 6 8 9 11 14 19 7 6 displaystyle tfrac 7 6 nbsp 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 12 16 8 7 displaystyle tfrac 8 7 nbsp 1 1 2 4 4 6 6 8 10 14 9 8 displaystyle tfrac 9 8 nbsp 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 12 10 9 displaystyle tfrac 10 9 nbsp 1 1 2 3 3 5 5 6 8 11 27 25 displaystyle tfrac 27 25 nbsp 0 1 1 2 3 3 4 5 6 8 15 14 displaystyle tfrac 15 14 nbsp 1 0 1 2 2 3 3 4 5 7 16 15 displaystyle tfrac 16 15 nbsp 0 1 1 2 2 3 3 4 5 7 21 20 displaystyle tfrac 21 20 nbsp 0 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 4 5 25 24 displaystyle tfrac 25 24 nbsp 1 0 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 4 648 625 displaystyle tfrac 648 625 nbsp 1 1 0 1 2 1 2 3 3 4 28 27 displaystyle tfrac 28 27 nbsp 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 4 36 35 displaystyle tfrac 36 35 nbsp 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 128 125 displaystyle tfrac 128 125 nbsp 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 49 48 displaystyle tfrac 49 48 nbsp 0 1 1 0 1 1 2 1 2 2 50 49 displaystyle tfrac 50 49 nbsp 1 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 2 64 63 displaystyle tfrac 64 63 nbsp 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 2 531441 524288 displaystyle tfrac 531441 524288 nbsp 1 1 0 1 2 1 2 1 1 0 81 80 displaystyle tfrac 81 80 nbsp 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 1 2048 2025 displaystyle tfrac 2048 2025 nbsp 1 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 2 126 125 displaystyle tfrac 126 125 nbsp 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 1 1728 1715 displaystyle tfrac 1728 1715 nbsp 0 1 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 2109375 2097152 displaystyle tfrac 2109375 2097152 nbsp 3 2 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 15625 15552 displaystyle tfrac 15625 15552 nbsp 2 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 225 224 displaystyle tfrac 225 224 nbsp 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 32805 32768 displaystyle tfrac 32805 32768 nbsp 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 2401 2400 displaystyle tfrac 2401 2400 nbsp 1 2 1 1 1 0 2 0 1 0 4375 4374 displaystyle tfrac 4375 4374 nbsp 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 The comma can also be considered to be the fractional interval that remains after a full circle of some repeated chosen interval the repeated intervals are all the same size in relative pitch and all the tones produced are reduced or raised by whole octaves back to the octave surrounding the starting pitch The Pythagorean comma for instance is the difference obtained say between A and G after a circle of twelve just fifths A circle of three just major thirds such as A C E G produces the small diesis 128 125 41 1 cent between G and A A circle of four just minor thirds such as G B D F A produces an interval of 648 625 between A and G etc An interesting property of temperaments is that this difference remains whatever the tuning of the intervals forming the circle 11 In this sense commas and similar minute intervals can never be completely tempered out whatever the tuning Comma sequence edit A comma sequence defines a musical temperament through a unique sequence of commas at increasing prime limits 12 The first comma of the comma sequence is in the q limit where q is the n th odd prime prime 2 being ignored because it represents the octave and n is the number of generators Subsequent commas are in prime limits each the next prime in sequence above the last Other intervals called commas editThere are also several intervals called commas which are not technically commas because they are not rational fractions like those above but are irrational approximations of them These include the Holdrian and Mercator s commas 13 and the pitch to pitch step size in 53 TET See also editList of musical intervals List of pitch intervals SemicommaReferences edit Waldo Selden Pratt 1922 Grove s Dictionary of Music and Musicians Vol 1 p 568 John Alexander Fuller Maitland Sir George Grove eds Macmillan Clive Greated 2001 Comma Grove Music Online doi 10 1093 gmo 9781561592630 article 06186 Benson Dave 2006 Music A Mathematical Offering p 171 ISBN 0 521 85387 7 Haluska Jan 2003 The Mathematical Theory of Tone Systems CRC Press p xxvi ISBN 0 8247 4714 3 a b Rasch Rudolph 2000 A word or two on the tunings of Harry Partch In Dunn David ed Harry Partch An anthology of critical perspectives p 34 ISBN 90 5755 065 2 Describes difference between 11 limit and 3 limit intervals Rasch Rudolph 1988 Farey systems of musical intonation In Benitez J M et al eds Listening Vol 2 p 40 ISBN 3 7186 4846 6 Source for 32 33 as difference between 11 16 amp 2 3 List of commas by prime limit Xenharmonic wiki see article The Extended Helmholtz Ellis JI Pitch Notation eine Notationsmetode fur dienaturlichen Intervalle in Mikrotone und mehr Auf Gyorgy Ligetis Hamburger Pfaden ed Manfred Stahnke von Bockel Verlag Hamburg 2005 ISBN 3 932696 62 X Tonalsoft Encyclopaedia article about HEWM notation John Fonville Ben Johnston s Extended Just Intonation A Guide for Interpreters p 109 Perspectives of New Music vol 29 no 2 Summer 1991 pp 106 137 and Johnston Ben and Gilmore Bob 2006 A Notation System for Extended Just Intonation 2003 Maximum clarity and Other Writings on Music p 78 ISBN 978 0 252 03098 7 Rasch Rudolf 2002 Tuning and temperament In Christensen Th ed The Cambridge History of Western Music Theory Cambridge University Press p 201 ISBN 0 521 62371 5 Smith G W Comma sequences Xenharmony Retrieved 26 July 2012 via lumma org Monzo Joe Mercator comma Mercator s comma tonalsoft com Retrieved from https en wikipedia org w 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